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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307500 - 07/21/14 07:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I didn't say they did the right thing. I think giving away land you don't control is wrong.

I merely pointed out that it was done by a body the world chose to put in place.

You fail miserably at putting words in my mouth. Instead of making such a fool of yourself, perhaps try... asking.

Read the words. They mean what they say, not what you wish them to.




So if giving it away was wrong, was it really fair and square?

Any more or less fair than annexing lands after war?




Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.

If Israel won the land, it's theirs to do as they wish with. That's fair.




So every decision made by the UN is fair?




Do you have some kind of psychosis that causes you to attempt to put words in my mouth?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307506 - 07/21/14 07:10 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Yep and 7 innocent people died anyway. so obviously that tactic doesn't work.


Well, you tried.



It isn't the Israeli's fault they didn't get out


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307516 - 07/21/14 07:12 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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And neither do you.




Which is precisely why I didn't claim I did. Isn't it amazing how that works?


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That's my whole fucking point.




How odd. Your point comes across as Israel bad, Hamas good.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307546 - 07/21/14 07:18 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Do you have some kind of psychosis that causes you to attempt to put words in my mouth?




Maybe you should choose your words more carefully.


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Fair and square? As far as it goes... yes. The world chose the body. The body made the decision. It's not the decision I'd have made but no-one asked me. Israel played by the rules agreed to. In that sense it doesn't get more fair.





So if the world chose the body to make decisions and it makes them, you consider that fair. Right or wrong, they're fair.

But you apparently think only some of their decisions are fair...


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307561 - 07/21/14 07:22 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

My words were chosen carefully and well. I said exactly what I meant to say. Your inability to realize that is your issue. If I thought all UN decisions were fair I'd have said so.

Your putting words in my mouth appears to be a symptom of something. It's dishonest and more than a little pathetic.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307590 - 07/21/14 07:29 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

:lolsy:


So the creation of Israel on Palestinian was land was fair because the UN made the decision, but that doesn't mean the UN makes fair decisions.



Please elaborate.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307635 - 07/21/14 07:38 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I already did. Stop huffing.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.

That doesn't translate to all the UN's decisions being fair. Do you make a fair choice / right decision every time? I know I don't.

I'd be embarrassed to have needed clarification for that. I'm surprised you're not.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307648 - 07/21/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

So if not all UN decisions are fair, what makes this one (besides your opinion)?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307659 - 07/21/14 07:41 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Second sentence in the prior post.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307682 - 07/21/14 07:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




That doesn't answer my question at all.


How does that not apply to every UN decision? What makes Israel different?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307697 - 07/21/14 07:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307698 - 07/21/14 07:48 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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:lolsy:


So the creation of Israel on Palestinian was land was fair because the UN made the decision, but that doesn't mean the UN makes fair decisions.



Please elaborate.



Every boundary in the mid east was drawn out of the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire.  Every one.  The original boundary for Israel was insane

The UN has 56 Islamic members.  Please.  They are worse than useless on this issue.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307721 - 07/21/14 07:54 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




If the only prerequisite to a fair decision is that the UN makes it according to the rules, then all UN decisions based on the rules are fair.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307723 - 07/21/14 07:54 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

this is so off topic. Discussing if this war is fair or not based on boundaries taken in previous wars

:rolleyes:

amazing. You guys should all run for congress, you are all almost stupid enough almost smart enough to be members. Technical issues, most important aspect of life or death struggles


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307733 - 07/21/14 07:56 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




If the only prerequisite to a fair decision is that the UN makes it according to the rules, then all UN decisions based on the rules are fair.




:zomgwtf:

you are going to clarify the UN agreeing with Israel on the war with Gaza correct?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307746 - 07/21/14 07:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307753 - 07/21/14 08:00 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It completely answers your question.

As the world selected the body (the UN) and the UN made the decision, the decision was fair by the rules in place.




If the only prerequisite to a fair decision is that the UN makes it according to the rules, then all UN decisions based on the rules are fair.




Yet that's not what you asked earlier. Here, let me help:

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So every decision made by the UN is fair?




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20307386/vc/1#20307386


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307822 - 07/21/14 08:13 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Care to give an example of a UN decision that was against the rules in place?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307823 - 07/21/14 08:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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The only way you can justify the Hamas rocket fire is by de legitimizing the existence of Israel entirely.  The Hamas charter specifically calls for Israel's destruction.  It is their raison d'etre.




How would a group of people in a city go about leaving the city and trading outside the city if the other body of government governing them even though they have their own government won't allow it and have guns to stop them?

Perhaps rocket bombing civilians is not the answer, but what is the answer? How can an economy grow if it is limited to trading outside of itself.

Let's say for example Gaza mines gold but cannot farm food or cannot irrigate or whatever just a fucking example I don't keep up with the damn economy in the middle east. Not letting them trade is the same as saying "starve to death"


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307827 - 07/21/14 08:15 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

When we're discussing a subject that touches upon one... absolutely.


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