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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20306939 - 07/21/14 05:27 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I know the definition. A military intent on genocide wouldn't warn those they wish to exterminate.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307011 - 07/21/14 05:40 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't give a shit about both sides list. My issue is with the rockets.



The rockets are in response to land grabs.  You don't have an issue with that?

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Your map is in error. There never was a Palestine.



Call it what you will.  The Israeli part is correct.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20307035 - 07/21/14 05:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I don't have a problem with Israel "grabbing" land they've won in a war they didn't start. To the victor goes the spoils.

I do think that building settlements there at this time is astonishingly stupid and short-sighted.

The land is theirs to do with as they wish. Unfortunately, what they wish is at this time... stupid.

If the other countries didn't want to lose their land, they shouldn't have started a war they were incapable of winning.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307082 - 07/21/14 05:51 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Yet Israel does.



When was that?

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They choose not to respond, they release prisoners, they gave Gaza to people that hate Israel. Despite that, Hamas (and others) seem to always start shit again.



You don't think there's a list of grievances from Palestine?

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Frankly, I wouldn't care if the Earth opened up and swallowed that entire region but one side is clearly the aggressor.



Clearly.






Last week. Actually, a better answer is "repeatedly".

I don't give a shit about both sides list. My issue is with the rockets.

Your map is in error. There never was a Palestine.

As long as one side launches unguided rockets at civilian areas, they are the aggressors. And as long as they continue to do so, Israel is completely justified in responding.




I think my main point is this. Why is Gaza firing unguided rocket salvos and hitting mainly israeli military, and Israel is firing primarily guided bombs and hitting mostly civilians?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307098 - 07/21/14 05:53 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I think my main point is this. Why is Gaza firing unguided rocket salvos and hitting mainly israeli military, and Israel is firing primarily guided bombs and hitting mostly civilians?




Your point is wrong on both counts.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307110 - 07/21/14 05:56 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It's what you called it. Logic.

No rockets into Israel, no Israel bombs or troops into Gaza. It's quite a simple concept. How is it that it escapes you?




Like I said, of the dead, who were Hamas?

How are the Palestinians supposed to thwart a terrorist organization if the USA can't even do it?


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #20307115 - 07/21/14 05:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #20307117 - 07/21/14 05:58 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't have a problem with Israel "grabbing" land they've won in a war they didn't start. To the victor goes the spoils.

I do think that building settlements there at this time is astonishingly stupid and short-sighted.

The land is theirs to do with as they wish. Unfortunately, what they wish is at this time... stupid.

If the other countries didn't want to lose their land, they shouldn't have started a war they were incapable of winning.




They didn't start it? Who does Gaza belong to? Technically they are in a separate continent. Do they govern themselves? Or does Israel govern them? They have pretty much no freedom. None the less they are a bunch of militant jihadist fanatics. None the less this whole conflict started in the 40s over racial and religious hatred.

You think one side is ultimately wrong and the other right? So which is better? Jews or Arabs? That's what started it. Now they are idiots fighting.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #20307139 - 07/21/14 06:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.

Besides, did Israel get Palestine in the first place fair and square? No.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307141 - 07/21/14 06:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It's what you called it. Logic.

No rockets into Israel, no Israel bombs or troops into Gaza. It's quite a simple concept. How is it that it escapes you?




Like I said, of the dead, who were Hamas?

How are the Palestinians supposed to thwart a terrorist organization if the USA can't even do it?



How about they stop electing terrorists to run their country.  There actually is an alternative in the PA (which is no gem itself) but these retards elected Hamas. Reapage and sowage.

https://www.google.com/search?q=irrelevant+moderates+video+takedown&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.yahoo:en-US:official&client=firefox&channel=sb

There is nothing criminal about Israel defending itself from murdering monsters.  What is criminal is useful idiots whining about it because their tormentors are incompetent fucks


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307148 - 07/21/14 06:02 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.




ORLY?  Who says?  North Vietnam won South Vietnam.

Go away.  You have almost no understanding of history at all.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307159 - 07/21/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
I'm surprised they waited this long. This is how they should respond each and every time a rocket is fired at them.



Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




Maybe you are right. Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes. I think both countries could make some nice farm land that could feed some other countries if both countries were removed from existence

Maybe I'm just pessimistic. I'm just happy Oblunder hasn't tried to aid one side yet like we did against Gadaffi. Let the fuckers fight their own wars, if they are so damn tough


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307162 - 07/21/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

The Israel defending itself meme is fucking ridiculous.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307167 - 07/21/14 06:05 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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It's what you called it. Logic.

No rockets into Israel, no Israel bombs or troops into Gaza. It's quite a simple concept. How is it that it escapes you?




Like I said, of the dead, who were Hamas?

How are the Palestinians supposed to thwart a terrorist organization if the USA can't even do it?




I don't know how many were Hamas. With their propensity to use human shields there were probably more than a few civilians. Again, that's on Hamas.

The people of Gaza can do more than the US, as they live there. The IDF accepts phone calls and tips. They can't do it alone, but they aren't alone. Perhaps they shouldn't have voted Hamas into power.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307179 - 07/21/14 06:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.




ORLY?  Who says?  North Vietnam won South Vietnam.

Go away.  You have almost no understanding of history at all.




They didn't win shit. There was a civil war, which ended in reunification. North Vietnam wasn't a stateless people that Britain decided to give a chunk of land to out of sympathy.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20307192 - 07/21/14 06:09 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Every rocket launch fired against Israel is in response to something Israel did, which was in resonse to something Palestine did, which was in response to...

Neither side is ever willing to say "you got the last shot, not let's stop".




Actually Israel has done that many times.  The Hamas charter, the troglodytes who run the Gaza Strip, is dedicated to the destruction of Israel.  The Israelis gave the Gaza Strip that they won fair and square in a war back to the monsters.  What did they get?  Rockets and suicide bombers.  That is why there is an embargo.  Do you know who else has closed the Gaza border?  Egypt.




You don't "win" land in a war. Especially in 1968.




ORLY?  Who says?  North Vietnam won South Vietnam.

Go away.  You have almost no understanding of history at all.




One of the biggest examples of fucked up United States politics. We helped the south Vietnamese capture over 3/4 of Vietnam before North Vietnam bought tanks from Russia and won back the entire country. Communist Nazis, but then
what did that make us? Democracy isn't fought in voting polls with guns and violence amongst the voters


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307197 - 07/21/14 06:10 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't have a problem with Israel "grabbing" land they've won in a war they didn't start. To the victor goes the spoils.

I do think that building settlements there at this time is astonishingly stupid and short-sighted.

The land is theirs to do with as they wish. Unfortunately, what they wish is at this time... stupid.

If the other countries didn't want to lose their land, they shouldn't have started a war they were incapable of winning.




They didn't start it? Who does Gaza belong to? Technically they are in a separate continent. Do they govern themselves? Or does Israel govern them? They have pretty much no freedom. None the less they are a bunch of militant jihadist fanatics. None the less this whole conflict started in the 40s over racial and religious hatred.

You think one side is ultimately wrong and the other right? So which is better? Jews or Arabs? That's what started it. Now they are idiots fighting.




No, they didn't start the war that led to them controlling the lands adjacent to Israel. Egypt, Jordan and Syria did. The Israelis just won. Quickly and decisively. To the victors go the spoils. So they owned Gaza, until they gave it back.

The Gazans govern themselves, though poorly. Their lack of freedom is a result of their actions.

Which side is better? The ones that don't fire unguided rockets at civilians.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307198 - 07/21/14 06:11 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

But hey, Palestine never existed right?!

The British didn't control it, and didn't promise to return governance to Palestine. Right?

The most storied city in world history was just a vacant ghost town 50 years ago, right?


But MY history is lacking....:rolleyes:

Your devotion to the GOP narrative on all issues is tiresome and borderline pathetic.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #20307211 - 07/21/14 06:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Besides, did Israel get Palestine in the first place fair and square? No.




Sure they did. The UN gave it to them. The Israelis played by the rules and at least half the countries of the world seem to have agreed or the vote would have ended differently.

Now, I'm no fan of the UN but they are the body the world settled on and as such they did what they did. I'd rather the UN went away but that's unlikely.

In the meantime the savages need to stop shooting rockets into Israel.


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Re: Israels criminal shelling of gaza [Re: imachavel]
    #20307230 - 07/21/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

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Maybe I just don't trust Jews. Sure don't trust Islam either. Or fanatic wanna bes.




You don't have to trust any of them. All it takes is looking at which side is shooting unguided rockets at civilians.


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