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OfflineEkstaza
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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Xenophobic]
    #2047493 - 10/27/03 01:13 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, but we stopped supporting freeloaders that call themselve royalty. Give and take, give and take.

Don't get me wrong, the idea of Kings and Queens of royal stature is very romantic and all, but it just looks even better when you don't have to foot the bill.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2047777 - 10/27/03 03:20 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

North America in general (excluding Canada) is more of a "police" state than any other country in the world. Their are some things you can be arrested for that no other country has even heard of being a crime. The most common argument put across by North Americans is the issue of taxation, so why don't they do what they did in 1773 in Boston Harbour and challenge the Government, maybe because of self-obsessivness of ones own power. That's not meant in a rude manner at all, just a statement.

Yes, what you say is true to you, but it doesn't matter whichever way it "looks" as you say. It's the people that suffer from the governments morals. Royalty have no effect on my life or anyone elses apart from the Queen passing legislation which is given to her from the Government, and holding the power to "dissolve" Government at any time, it's the Government that has (just to contridict your point). Anyway I could argue this point way beyond this but nevermind...... as I said "food for thought".


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Xenophobic]
    #2048434 - 10/27/03 08:07 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I understand that your queen only has a ceremonial position, but my point (and it was mostly just in jest), was that you and your countrymen are allowing one family to hold on to the idea that they are better than the rest of the people in the world just because they have successfully inbred. I personally would be mad as hell if I knew that a certain portion of my governments resources went towards supporting people who don't deserve welfare. Yea, I know that the aristocracy is wealthy and that they use their own money, but they are so because of the hard work of the common Englishman, not their own deeds. I'm not trying to argue about who has power, the queen or the government, rather that it's just so alien to me that their should be a queen at all. I also understand that part of it is tradition, but it just seems belittling to me.

Things have changed a lot since 1773. Government has become too big for a hand full of citizens to overcome. Besides that, our nation has become so diverse that it would be almost impossible to rally enough people behind one cause to effectively cause an upheaval.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Xenophobic]
    #2049112 - 10/27/03 11:08 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

marijuana has benefits as a medicine and many other things including food, clothing, and oil...etc. (many, many uses for hemp). it grows very fast and therefore would deliver alot of products very quickly to the market.

WOW, marijuana/hemp sounds very good...i mean, it isn't hard to grow and it is very productive so why is it illegal? well, many companies that produce the same products that hemp could make are using other less productive plants to make their products. if hemp were legal then other companies would use it to make products that could be sold cheaper and take away the market from all of these established companies. these companies can't have that and they because these companies have so much money they have their feet in the government's door. they can't lose any money because they are so greedy so they needed to call in favors to the government (as payback for contributing money to certain elected politician's campaigns). the politicians have to grant the company's favor so they put it on a bill to become illegal.
politicians are hesitant to legalize marijuana as a medicine because the pharmacutical companies that have so much hold over the government would lose their money because marijuana is a cheaper way of treating the ill than the expensive medications that the companies sell.

maybe i'm a conspiracy theorist hbut i think i've heard this somewhere and i believe it because it makes mucho sense!


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: TODAY]
    #2053027 - 10/29/03 06:11 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

simple answer as to why....$money$.

corps make more money off synthetic fibers.
cops get new equipment after taking your house.
gov't rakes in fine dollars when ya busted.
the prision system supports jobs, duh.

we're capitalists at heart. And, not to mention, there's probably alot of blue collar guys out there supporting there families right now growing/selling pot. probably farmers too. think what would happen if it were legal.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Suby]
    #2053323 - 10/29/03 10:13 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

No way $$$$!

The war on drugs isn't good for money. It only costs $$$$$$$$$$.

Legalising drugs would create thousands of (legal, tax paying)jobs.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Annom]
    #2053353 - 10/29/03 10:30 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I agree that the war on drugs is costing tax payers enormous amounts of money, but there are special interest groups that are definately profiting from it.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Annom]
    #2053368 - 10/29/03 10:41 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

> simple answer as to why....$money$
> The war on drugs isn't good for money. It only costs $$$$$$$$$$.

In a way, you are both correct, I think...

There are many sides that have a reason for making / keeping drugs illegal.

1) you have a government that has been lying to the people about the dangers of drugs. The government cannot change it's position and admit that it has been lying to people for the last 50+ years.

2) you have a government that gets a lot of tax money from the people by scaring them with the dangers of illegal drugs. Of course, the government could make back the lost money by taxing the drugs directly.

3) you have greedy corps that want to make money from their synthetic products. It is in their best interests to keep hemp, mescaline, etc illegal. The alcohol and tobacco lobbies are huge and they do not want competition.

4) you have moral crusaders that have been given a mandate by the almighty to ensure that nobody does anything that the crusaders feel might be immoral. This follows from the famous line in the Bible, "Judge others, but do not let others judge you!"

5) you have all of the people that are employed by the war on drugs that would loose their jobs if it were to go away... lawyers, prosecuters, police, border guards, dea, informants, prison guards, prison construction workers, etc

6) you have a government that doesn't like people to think on their own. Drugs and free thinking seem to go hand-in-hand. Free thinkers are much safer in jail where they cannot taint the sheep watching TV.

7) you have non-responsible users that do stupid things and give drugs a bad name. Same thing with drunks that wreck and kill people, etc. Many people would rather give up their rights to drugs in order to feel safer.

8) I forget what eight was for...


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Sin Bad]
    #2056531 - 10/30/03 07:52 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

do you get punks bashing stoners in amsterdam?


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ]
    #2056865 - 10/30/03 11:01 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Has anyone remembered that pot demotivates you?

It seems a bit unrealistic to think that because something is legal its use automatically become habitual. Do people that drink alcohol get pissed all the time? I think not. If we treated alcohol the way its assumed we would treat decriminalised drugs, wouldnt the world just be filled with alcoholics only concerned for alcohol.

The legality of a substance also effects its use, quite a lot of illegal drug users would fail to see the appeal when there isnt a rule to be broken.

Aside from the politics involved in drugs, all drugs have bad points which can be targeted/exaggerated.

In england i cant see pot being that much cheaper, if at all if its ever legalised. The government likes to charge us for anything possible and weed will just be another thing on the list.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Oook]
    #2056935 - 10/30/03 11:32 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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Oook said:
It seems a bit unrealistic to think that because something is legal its use automatically become habitual. Do people that drink alcohol get pissed all the time? I think not. If we treated alcohol the way its assumed we would treat decriminalised drugs, wouldnt the world just be filled with alcoholics only concerned for alcohol.




In some peoples reasoning, there are many more alcoholics than people who just appreciate alcohol.

I had to go to an alcohol awareness class because of a DUI(The stupidest thing I have ever done). Well, the theory taught by the class was that anyone who drinks to get a buzz, even on occasion, is an alcoholic. They even provided an example of one man who does not touch a drop of alcohol except for one week a year when he visits a fishing resort with a group of close friends. During that week his group of friends drinks while they are fishing and relaxing by the lake. The instructors of the class said that this is alcoholism.

According to the instructors, to not be an alcoholic one must only drink one or two alcoholic drinks at a time, and that even that is best limited to only once or twice a week or less.

As it seems, most of my friends and aquaintences are alcoholics.
I personally don't see the point in drinking an alcoholic beverage if you are not after the effects of alcohol. Non-alcoholic drinks are so much cheaper.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #2058038 - 10/30/03 05:09 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Was this in america by any chance?


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Oook]
    #2058535 - 10/30/03 07:56 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yes. The good ol' USA.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Annom]
    #2092949 - 11/11/03 02:42 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

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Annom said:
No way $$$$!

The war on drugs isn't good for money. It only costs $$$$$$$$$$.

Legalising drugs would create thousands of (legal, tax paying)jobs.
 



I'll vote for you :tongue:

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Oook said:
If we treated alcohol the way its assumed we would treat decriminalised drugs, wouldnt the world just be filled with alcoholics only concerned for alcohol. 



We did, that was an argument during prohabition. If alcohol was legal doctors would be operating on you drunk, children would be running around intoxicated, pilots wouldn't be able to fly in a strait line...

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I personally don't see the point in drinking an alcoholic beverage if you are not after the effects of alcohol. Non-alcoholic drinks are so much cheaper. 



Cuz they taste good :smile: btw, that class was bullshit :mad: 


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: DailyPot]
    #2093712 - 11/11/03 06:34 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Here is a nice comic which shows how and why drugs were made illegal in the US:

http://www.adrugwarcarol.com/index.html


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: muhurgle]
    #2103082 - 11/13/03 07:13 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Crazy comic :smile:


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4421483 - 07/18/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I personally don't see the point in drinking an alcoholic beverage if you are not after the effects of alcohol. Non-alcoholic drinks are so much cheaper.




There is a lot more to alcohol than simply getting drunk.

The number 1 reason I enjoy alcohol is because there is NO OTHER beverage than can create tastes and flavors on your palate than alcohol.

Take wine, you can't re-create the huge spectrum and intricate tastes and smells of a glass of wine. What about single Malt Scotches? Beer? Humans cannot make anything to taste like that without the traditional alcohol fermentation. Think about the complexity of non-alcoholic beverages. They are so boring and one dimensional. It doesn't even come close.

Ever since I turned 21 and started having 2-3 drinks 4-5 nights a week I have acquired a palate for alcohol and really appreciate the taste. I rarely get drunk, but just really like the taste, especially when properly paired with food.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: askwhy2all]
    #13620912 - 12/12/10 11:28 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I really do believe that a large proportion of politicians don't agree with the current drug laws.  Granted, they don't care enough to change them.  A HUGE number of chemicals (drugs) were scheduled to Categories I, II, and III back in the 1960's.  These laws were made with much haste and passed with out any real vote or much thought.  These laws have remained on the books ever since.

If these laws were never passed all that time ago, I am not sure if todays politicians would put in the effort to pass them.

It would be interesting to figure out how such laws were passed.  Was it a select few in government that made them nation wide law.  Was there a vote amongst citizens of each state, etc?  I am guessing that a handful or more people drafted these laws.  Brought the bill before some commitee of one or two dozen law makers.  Gave a brief summary of what the bill was.  They voted and passed it without the VAST majority of the population having any say.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: demon66]
    #13621139 - 12/12/10 12:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If these laws were never passed all that time ago, I am not sure if todays politicians would put in the effort to pass them.




This.
And one way they get around this is by giving the DEA authority to schedule chemicals (I'm not sure of the details but I know they can at least emergency schedule it.)
And the DEA is a bunch of Zealots


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: PoisonCrazy]
    #13621430 - 12/12/10 01:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

:beatadeadhorse:

Also, this thread is an ancient artifact.


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