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Invisibleafoaf
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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Annom]
    #2033103 - 10/22/03 04:15 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I doubt that will get passed.

can you imagine the boon a law like that
would be to the tourist economy in Holland?

any links?


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: afoaf]
    #2033285 - 10/22/03 05:01 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

yep, I know. I think it's just a friendly word to our German neighbors, but the only political party that is not rational about our drug policy is the CDA(Christians). And they have much power right know....

Here's the dutch source:
http://www.omroep.nl/nos/nieuws/binnenland/2003/oktober/221003/coffeeshops.html


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Annom]
    #2033744 - 10/22/03 07:22 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

This is why marijuana is illegal.

The campaign in 1936 to make Marijuana an illegal substance was
championed by two large companies, Dupont Chemicals and Hearst Newspapers, that
gained financially by having Marijuana banned. For Hearst Newspapers it was to
protect the investment that they had just made buying a large amount of paper
trees. Marijuana can produce about 4 times the amount of paper per acre than
trees, and twice as many fibers per acre than cotton. (Hempnet 1) Hearst was
well aware of this and moved to ban Marijuana. Marijuana costs little to grow
and can be made into cloth, canvas, and other high quality textiles. The use of
Marijuana for textile production would have seriously hurt Dupont who had
invested heavily in both paper production and the use of cotton. In 1936 Dupont
joined Hearst and using scare tactics and effective lobbying were able to ban
the growth, sale, and use of Marijuana.

Scare Tactics = Propaganda.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: daussaulit]
    #2033997 - 10/22/03 08:27 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Ohhhh yeah! Daussaulit, did you by chance read that in an Uncle John's Bathroom Reader? I read that in mine =/


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ChopperDave]
    #2034847 - 10/23/03 12:58 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I highly recommend The Emperor Wears No Clothes by Jack Herer for more background info on the prohibition against marijuana/hemp.



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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Xochitl]
    #2035758 - 10/23/03 10:29 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Herer's is a good book but he did not put the references in his chapters to where they belong. My favorate story from his book is the Popular Mechanics 1938 issue witht he hemp harvesting machine with the title labeled something like the One Billon Dollar Crop.. It was wrtten right before the law was passed but published a few months after they passed the law,.

mj. Of course anouther book I came across one day while in the US library, an actual distant ancestor of my (Learned about this from my parents) who had relatives in Kentruckty. His writing is simialr to that of nathanial hawthorne, he even wrote a whole book about the kentucky warbler, a bird, his name,, James Allen and he wrote "The Reign of Law", a tale of the kentucky hemp Farmers with numerous black and white paintings of the hemp and the harvest process.

Written in the late 1890s or early 1900s. IT had a majuana leaf embossed cover.

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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ChopperDave]
    #2035827 - 10/23/03 10:57 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

i think it's mostly puritanical christian morality.

that combined with the idea held by far too many that the government is our nanny.

and a general lack of lack of concern for personal liberty and responsibility.


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Invisibledaussaulit
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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ChopperDave]
    #2041562 - 10/25/03 02:44 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

no, someone told me that a while back, and I just went to google and searched. I just copied and pasted.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: daussaulit]
    #2044216 - 10/26/03 07:35 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Probably because everyone would be trippin all the time and never work or contribute to society, resulting in no economy and social havoc (so they think anyway).


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ChopperDave]
    #2044422 - 10/26/03 10:06 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

At first I thought it was because they were harmful.

Then I read and learned the Truth.

Now I see two possibilities. One is that the guys in power really do think that these drugs are harmful to society as a whole. Maybe they really do believe in "dope fiends".

I find this highly unlikely. It takes a smart man to reach such seats of power. The evidence is overwhelming...there is no way they could deny it.

So possibility two is much more likely. They know that drugs aren't all that bad. Worse, they know that some drugs are actually very good for people and when used properly. So they are lieing to us. The question, to me, then becomes Why? Why would they wish to make drugs illegal? Why would they go so far to keep them that way?

Drugs may help to foster feelings of rebellion.

Psychedelics can help expand your mind, allow you to become more aware. They also quite often create a feeling of connection. They bring people together. Society as a whole benefits.

But drugs do not benefit in a manner which suits the existence of our current forms of government.

They promotes free thought.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: dibbles]
    #2044508 - 10/26/03 11:08 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Because there are bad drug stories. Thats it. There are alot of people that do drugs but if one out of a thousand tell their story of how they tryed pot and then this, then that and the next thing they know they're under and expressway sucking dick for drugs and they destroyed their family, bank account, and whatever else their life was made of...then they want to save others by saying if you do any drug you'll end up like them because they didnt think they would be like that either.

It touches hearts, especially parents who dont want their young stupid children using drugs. So they do what they can to push drugs farther and farther away not realizing that they just pushing them more into schools where kids can get them. Then when by surprize the kids get them they have to push hard to save them. Maybe they're not pushing hard enough?

It doesn't matter if alcoholics have the same story. Cuz look at how many people use alcohol and are fine. But you only see the drug users w/ fucked up lives going to jail so drugs must be bad.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: DailyPot]
    #2044539 - 10/26/03 11:28 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Plus why shouldn't the government be anti-drugs? People who use them are just hopeless addicts that think they're not addicted. Want proff? Go arrest afew hundred drug users, let them get out of jail and get there life in motion and then ask them if they are greatful the law put them back on track. I bet you atleast one will say they were addicted and that the law is doing a wonderful thing. When they do and then they say everyone is an addict or going to be one it makes you feel good that you're taking all those people off the streets and helping them out. :mad:

Here is why I think it is *currently* illegal. I think in the minds of many a world w/ legal drugs would be horrible. They picture doctors doing brain surgery stoned, NASA building rocketship on crack, people drive on special K, parents too fucked up to care for thier kids and everyone else just laughing and tripping life away, having too much fun to work and make a planet function.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: trendal]
    #2045041 - 10/26/03 03:06 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

So possibility two is much more likely. They know that drugs aren't all that bad. Worse, they know that some drugs are actually very good for people and when used properly. So they are lieing to us. The question, to me, then becomes Why?

because the people that elect them see it a little differently.

thank the imbecilic masses.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ]
    #2046097 - 10/26/03 11:35 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

our systems are based on making money off the commoners!
if we lived in a crimefree and sickness free society what would the doctors and the police do for a living?dig sewer pits?not likely!
the government needs crime and sickness so they keep drugs illegal so there is always a revenue raising vent to feed off.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Xenophobic]
    #2046293 - 10/27/03 12:34 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think everyone would be tripping all the time and not work, they might work and innovations and productivity may soar, but there are people out there without any self-restraint. They lack the control to not abuse, and they do abuse. These are the types of people that give non-lethal drugs bad names.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: daussaulit]
    #2046823 - 10/27/03 08:09 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Fear is the main reason they are illegal.

They have no control over the growth of a natural plant. The government WANTS to have control over your life, and cant if these plants are legal.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ]
    #2047241 - 10/27/03 11:48 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

> because the people that elect them see it a little differently.
thank the imbecilic masses.

That's it.  :nonono: :shake:

Even if Bush would be smart enough to understand how hypocrite the war on drugs is, he would never say it. He only says what the imbecilic mass wants to hear(REDUCE TAX!!!!!) 


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Annom]
    #2047337 - 10/27/03 12:25 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Besides the fact that our politicians are only saying what the public wants to hear, they are also using our tax money and the media to program us to want to hear certain things. Let's face the facts here. The average American citizen does not want to research the facts about what our government tells them. They go on the principal that government officials are paid to have all of the answers and therefore they are credible. When the government tells these people that, lets say for instance "Salvia Divinorum causes frostbite in users and induces hallucinations for hours.", the people believe it. Then when election time comes, those politicians had better do something about the growing epidemic of 'dangerous salvia users' or the good law abiding people of their jurisdiction will be damned if they'll vote for them. By doing things this way the politicians not only know what the people want to hear, but have known it long before the people have and therefore have had plenty of time to prepare their responses to questions that they themselves raised in the first place.

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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: ]
    #2047340 - 10/27/03 12:26 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

thank the imbecilic masses.

You seriously underestimate the power of propaganda.

Within 6 months the Bush administration and their media helpers were able to create the myth that Iraqs WMD were a threat. They've had 100 years to create the myth that drugs are a threat.


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Re: Why are mushrooms and other drugs illegal? [Re: Xlea321]
    #2047407 - 10/27/03 12:51 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Mushrooms aren't illegal here unless they are dried or prepared in any way.

Isn't it ironic how English people within the colonies revolted against their own country to be "free" and here we are having this coversation? Food for thought.....


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