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Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine?
    #2028251 - 10/21/03 11:51 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

It's bothersome that there are so many posts on the subject but so little data.  I think it was Gartz et al. that first did the experiment (I have it at home, but not here.)  I haven't seen it replicated, though.

I couldn't find any readily available source for tryptamine, anywhere, but it looks really easy to synthesize (thanks to elemicin for the idea.)  I'd like to know who else would be willing to replicate the experiment.  If I run a batch of tryptamine it should be waaaayyy more than I need, so I might be willing to mail it to some people here (with a reputable posting history, USA ONLY.)  I don't think it's illegal.  I have a shitload of all the chemicals needed, anyway.  If you want to be a part, PM me, please don't make unnecessary replies to this thread.  Also, if you are new here, or haven't posted a lot of messages, please don't bother PM'ing me -- no offense;  I'm doing this for security reasons.

The only thing is we'd have to come up with a standard protocol (all using the same substrate, etc.) and most of the testing will be subjective.  This will make it hard to control, but if there are several people doing it who trip pretty often, so we can have somewhat of a basis of comparison, then I'd consider it a pretty good experiment.

Just an idea; I'd love to contribute here if I can :wink:

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
    #2029110 - 10/21/03 04:52 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Ill be following this closely, and contribute if i can, I just need a couple a thousand more posts :wink:

Happy Growing :laugh:

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: Erik006]
    #2029270 - 10/21/03 05:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

im new...i pm'd you, not to ask for anything, just trying to help you out. please read.

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
    #2029669 - 10/21/03 07:45 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I am willing to help with the experiment. I am sure someone has access to a chromatograph for quantification of the end results.

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: Joshua]
    #2029737 - 10/21/03 07:59 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I just filed through a shitload of controlled drugs and precursors and I didn't see tryptamine HCl anywhere. Strange I thought it was listed or at least watched. Maybe I missed it but I don't think so. But still.... :wink: 


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: Flux]
    #2029756 - 10/21/03 08:04 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

it is not listed or watched...you can buy it easily from several research chemical retailers online.

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: ]
    #2030085 - 10/21/03 09:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Sweet I didn't know that, thanks JSlice. I guess I'm just having one of those days, you know  :cool: + :bong::pill: :mushroom2::nut:+ :bong: :spliff: :pill2: :pill2::eyemouth::+ :pill2: :pill2: :pill: :bong: :mushroom2:= :devil:   


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: ]
    #2030087 - 10/21/03 09:30 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Cool; I'm glad people are interested! If you buy it online it'll probably be a lot more pure, but I couldn't find it. People like Sigma and Alfa usually require a business credit card, so I tried searching for obscure companies that might have it, but didn't find anything.

There's one problem, though -- I'm going to be using Zinc Acetate as a catalyst and I don't know if zinc residues will form, and if some of these will be extracted. There might be a way to chelate the zinc using EDTA, but the site doesn't post the whole reaction scheme, so I'll have to post something to the hive. Zinc can be poisonous to some mycelium at certain doses, but the amount of residue that will form might be negligable, especially with the extraction and the very low molarity of tryptamine. I'll keep an update....

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
    #2030307 - 10/21/03 10:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I like your focus!  I'll contrib however I can :smile:


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #2031180 - 10/22/03 02:06 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I will join you too :smile:

*hints* as some more free tryptamine in the future ....
if you are concerned about your tryptamine purity you can do a distillation of the freebase and then salt it with the hcl and follow it up by crystallizing it in anhydrous rubbing alcohol.

You should end up with a fairly pure product there will be a write up once the pet giraffe has done the synth.  (using the DMSO + MEK way)

btw if u cant get zinc acetate get technical grade zinc powder
then react it with Glacial Acetic Acid (sold at photosupply stores) to  yield the Zinc Acetate and some H2 gas.

Good luck. :smile:


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
    #2032794 - 10/22/03 04:49 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

I'm curious why this would benefit in cultivation. Is this strictly to increase potency?


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: World Spirit]
    #2035442 - 10/23/03 09:35 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah -- just to increase potency (we'll see if it works.)

According to Rhodium a disodium EDTA wash of the freebase should get rid of any leftover zinc. It's in the tryptamine chemistry section of the hive if you're interested:

http://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.pl...=5&threads=

Hopefully this'll work....

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
    #2035475 - 10/23/03 09:54 AM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Why usa only ? Seems odd as thats were cultivation is most illegal ?


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: Paid]
    #2035766 - 10/23/03 12:31 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Because I'm apprehentious about sending a white powder out of the country. What are you implying?

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
    #2035793 - 10/23/03 12:43 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry, not really implying anything, just wondered.


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: Paid]
    #2036401 - 10/23/03 03:33 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Also, seems like somebody in a country with legal and ready access to professional labs that can quantitatively and qualititatively analize the fruits would be good. Seems like a lot of effort put towards scientifically repeating an experiment, then you go and blow it by only using bio-assays to judge the effect.

Not that I wouldn't be intereseted in hearing the bio-assay, but I would be much more interested in seeing actual numbers.

Perhaps anno might be interested, he's getting those substrate comparison fruits tested?


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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: mycofile]
    #2036438 - 10/23/03 03:40 PM (13 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah -- Anno -- if you could somehow get me the spectrophotomery data it would be greatly appreciated :wink:

(to use as control data)

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
    #2044991 - 10/26/03 04:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think the zinc acetate works. Oh, well -- it said it did in the paper. Back to the drawing board.

http://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/tryptophan.html

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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: micro]
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Re: Who wants to experiment w/Tryptamine? [Re: Rassilon]
    #2060325 - 10/31/03 12:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It says it's not in stock, but coming soon. I'll call them to find out, though.

Someone PM'ed me with that link, too.

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