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First Grow, First Post... W/Pics, Suggestions?
    #20281385 - 07/16/14 01:52 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, so this is my first grow.  A good friend and I went ahead and took the leap into mycology a couple weeks ago, which was my idea in the first place.  Seeing as we both didn't know much about the skill, we went ahead and paid about 270 CAD dollars all together 50/50 for two grow kits shipped to my residents (about 110each +60 shipping).  After reading all kinds of information on the forums for the past few weeks, I know a lot of people around here are against kits but the order had already been placed long before I found Shroomery.

Each kit came with the following:
-1 Terrarium (cardboard box with greenhouse lid)
-1 Burlap sack of straw substrate
-1 Clear plastic mixing bag
-1 Bag of casing soil
-1 Spray bottle
-1 Vial of casing starter?
-1 Half Gallon of fully colonized Cuban spawn in rye

This website we ordered from only ships within Canada, I thought it would be best for us to order from them instead of an out of country source to avoid any complications.  The Package arrived quickly!  It was much less than a week.  I had done quite a bit of research before the kit arrived making sure I took extra precautions along the way.  I made sure we had sterile tools and a sterile environment to work with, even though at that time I did not know much about what we were going to be doing when the kit arrived.  Now, my first complaint about this kit is the instructions they are shipped with...  They are very confusing, misleading and very limited in the information department of what you are actually partaking in.  For a kit that advertises being educational, and the price tag it comes with, you would think they ship with very detailed instructions.  In my opinion do your research first before trying something like this, learn from my mistake, because these kits almost set you up for failure.  I'll list off a few of the things I found odd about what the kit does and does not tell you to do...

Does:
-Put the spawn jar in the fridge upon arrival unless you are going to use it immediately.
-Keep the spawn/substrate in a dark place at all times until fruiting.
-Leave the bag directly open to fresh air after bulk spawning for 12 days.
-Use a microwave to sterilize the casing layer? Really?

Does Not:
-To be sterile in any way, shape or form.
-Give scientific terminology for anything throughout the instructions.
-Give any additional information about what you are doing other than limited, out of date seeming 4 step method.
-Use a CFL Daytime type bulb for fruiting, it just says use a 25W Max (and has a picture of a standard incandescent bulb).
-Let your bulk substrate cool to room temp after pasteurization (it simply says let drain for 3 hours, ours was still piping hot by that time).

I'm sure there are more very odd things in this 4 page instructions booklet (yes you read correctly, 4 whole pages, and very little actual text within) but that's all I can think of at the moment.  We followed the instructions pretty closely though, taking quite a few implemented extra steps after much reading on Shroomery as a guest.  Considering how flawed this kit is, it seems like its working...  Coming this Friday, it will have been 12 days since we preformed the Spawn2Bulk step.  I have them in a dark closet, where it stays 50% RH around them and roughly 27C all the time.  They seem to be progressing well last time I checked, although I haven't really checked as I don't want to disturb them until the next step as it says in the instructions. 


Any questions or input on this would be greatly appreciated.  Also, I know we got ripped off, I'd like if you kept those comments to yourself.  I just want to learn :smile:

Sincerely,
The Chief

Edited by TheChief (07/17/14 09:06 AM)

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: TheChief] * 1
    #20281448 - 07/16/14 02:09 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

:toast: Welcome. Regardless of what that kit tells you, listen to the people here. Kits suck. That's all I have.

Oh, and you got ripped off! :muahaha:


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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20281572 - 07/16/14 02:35 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, dude. Either work with what they give or cut your losses and start fresh. I would suggest skipping the PF-tek and going straight for a good monotub. And if you can, use poop!
Good luck!


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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: montloVer]
    #20281628 - 07/16/14 02:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Yeah, dude. Either work with what they give or cut your losses and start fresh. I would suggest skipping the PF-tek and going straight for a good monotub. And if you can, use poop!
Good luck!



It's not a PF tek kit, It's a Spawn2Bulk kit.  Although some of the instructions are very questionable, we have been following them fairly close and they are working.  If it were just my project alone, I would change some of the conditions of our current setup to our benefit using my newfound knowledge from Shroomery.  The problem is my friend is little stubborn, and he is dead set against straying too far from the instructions we were given with the kit.  This is regardless of information he has been shown which clearly states there are better growing conditions the kits could be in right now.

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: TheChief]
    #20281666 - 07/16/14 02:58 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

post lots of pics of everything and we will salvage a grow from it, those are horrible instructions, do not microwave anything or keep it in the dark


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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: cronicr]
    #20281918 - 07/16/14 04:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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post lots of pics of everything and we will salvage a grow from it, those are horrible instructions, do not microwave anything or keep it in the dark




Here is a picture of the lid, and inside the box it shipped in (notice the spray bottle and a bag of casing layer left for next steps)


In the next pic, you see my external temp gauge, which is tucked underneath the substrate to give a rough idea of temps inside the colonization area.  It stays at 29C-30C constantly for the past 10 days since the Spawn2Bulk step.


This is the closet I have them in, note the size of the substrate colonization boxes. These came with the kit as well, the lids simply sit on top of them for fruiting after the Casing step.


In this one you see the temp/hydro gauge for the inside of the closet, it reads close to 50% RH and 25C-27C constantly.


The last picture is a closeup of one of the substrate bags, I didn't want to open one but you can clearly see some heavy growth going on through the bag.  The bag is not tied at all and is just folded over the side so it can get FAE.


This is all going pretty much by what the book says.  On Friday we are supposed to do the casing layer, and then let it colonize for another 5 days in the dark.  Mind you I will not be sterilizing anything in a microwave, I went ahead and invested in a 25Qt All American for 100$ used in great shape because I plan to be in the hobby for a while.


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: TheChief]
    #20281968 - 07/16/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

thats a great price for the all american! great choice but disregard the whole dark thing, light is benificial for them at all stages of growth


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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: cronicr]
    #20282102 - 07/16/14 04:57 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

So I should run a 6500k CLF now? 12/12? Any other tips? Interventions on the kit? How could we make it better? Also, I fixed the supermassive pictures in my previous post, I'm really getting the hang of this :tongue:


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: cronicr]
    #20282947 - 07/16/14 07:47 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

That kits instructions are so bogus and I can't believe you paid that kinda scratch for a cardboard box and $2 of spawn and $3 of substrate materials. I need to start selling kits, fuck my day job :lol:

If there is anything decent to be had from this thing, we will ensure you get it. In the meantime you are gonna learn how to grow boomers :awesomenod:

Just to let you know, once ya get your AA and can make your own spawn etc, this hobby will get a lot more cost effective. I can usually pull off a mini mono for about $6 in materials. A 66 quart mono might run $11.

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: TheChief]
    #20282964 - 07/16/14 07:50 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Nah, the 6500K is used for fruiting - but ambient light is good throughout all stages of colonization.


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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #20282966 - 07/16/14 07:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

That kits instructions are so bogus and I can't believe you paid that kinda scratch for a cardboard box and $2 of spawn and $3 of substrate materials. I need to start selling kits, fuck my day job :lol:

If there is anything decent to be had from this thing, we will ensure you get it. In the meantime you are gonna learn how to grow boomers :awesomenod:

Just to let you know, once ya get your AA and can make your own spawn etc, this hobby will get a lot more cost effective. I can usually pull off a mini mono for about $6 in materials. A 66 quart mono might run $11.



Nice... Well, I only have two days until we are supposed to start the casing step if the straw is fully colonized...  Need some input ASAP.


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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: TheChief]
    #20282985 - 07/16/14 07:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

pasturize your casing material if your gonna use it but by no means do you have to use it at all


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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: cronicr]
    #20283046 - 07/16/14 08:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

The instructions for the casing are as follows:

-Add 1.2L of water
-Mix for 3 mins
-Let sit 3hrs room temp
-Mix thoroughly again and let sit overnight

And then it goes on to say (the next morning I would assume)...
-To ensure a successful crop you must sterilize your casing layer, the best way to do this is to microwave on high for 3 minutes and let sit until room temperature... Really??
-Add the casing starter to casing mix (I have no idea what this is)
-Add the casing layer
-Let sit 5 days in the dark



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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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    #20283186 - 07/16/14 08:37 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: Sockadin]
    #20284900 - 07/17/14 05:46 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Here is a couple pics of the 25Qt PC I bought locally for $100... 




What are the chances I would have scored a deal like that in my area just when I needed one?  I heard these were the best, so I scooped it up.  Does she look in good shape?  Also, keep the advice on my grow coming!  I'm supposed to be starting the casing layer tomorrow!


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"Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: TheChief]
    #20285563 - 07/17/14 09:54 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Looks good!  Maybe give it a good cleaning?  Can you post a pic of the gasket/seal on the PC?  Thats the only part i could imagine may need to be replaced.
DSP

BTW; Pressure Cookers are great for cooking too!  Lol i love mine

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    #20285589 - 07/17/14 09:59 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

It's a Metal on Metal seal, no gaskets required.  AA are known for that trademark I believe.  I just tested it doing some half pt jars and it worked flawlessly, holds 15psi no problem and doesn't leak at all.


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    #20285659 - 07/17/14 10:15 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Damn that's nice, i didn't know that about AA PC's, no gasket to replace then... strike my previous comment...  :sorry:
DSP

edit: actually i was kinda thinking that to myself when i was typing my comment earlier.  Shoulda just kept my mouth shut

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Re: First Grow, First Post [Re: cronicr]
    #20286369 - 07/17/14 01:00 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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pasturize your casing material if your gonna use it but by no means do you have to use it at all



i know alot of folks including RR who prefer not to case straw,if ya dodecide to do not sterilize it,they should be pasturized


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    #20286418 - 07/17/14 01:10 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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pasturize your casing material if your gonna use it but by no means do you have to use it at all



i know alot of folks including RR who prefer not to case straw,if ya dodecide to do not sterilize it,they should be pasturized



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