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Hotplates and pressure cookers.
    #20277366 - 07/15/14 03:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone here use hotplates for their pc? I'm looking for something for a 16qt or two that I can put on a timer after some trial and error, set and forget. All American or something cheaper?

Also anyone use a sterilizer? I'd like to know the pros and cons of them vs a pc.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20277376 - 07/15/14 03:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Your PC full of jars will crush just about any hotplate.

The sterilizers actually hold a seal, where the pressure cookers/canners don't. The sterilizer is silent, the PC makes noise. The sterilizer also comes with a little spring that hangs from the lid that is supposed to help disperse heat.

Personally, I'd just get the biggest AA you can afford then slap the sterilizer valve on it. You'll save a few hundred bucks and have a silent PC.


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20277479 - 07/15/14 04:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I like the electric sterilizers because of the mechanical timers. Also why I was wondering about hotplates which could easily be put on a timer as well.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20277508 - 07/15/14 04:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The only hotplate I ever tried was excruciatingly slow.


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20277524 - 07/15/14 04:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i've used the single elements w/o any problems on my old 23 qt but even that was an old element, doubt there made that strong these days


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: cronicr]
    #20277533 - 07/15/14 04:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well that's depressing.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20277548 - 07/15/14 04:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

give it a shot:shrug: you will know pretty quick lol


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: cronicr]
    #20277566 - 07/15/14 04:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Meh, I hate to go waste money that would be better spent elsewhere if it doesn't work out so well.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20277756 - 07/15/14 05:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I bought a $40ish hotplate on amazon and I use it for my Presto. I forget how big it is but I think it's the biggest one Presto makes. Takes a bit for It to warm up but after it does it is not all that slow. One main complaint is that once it gets to 15 and I adjust it down the cycle for it to keep that temp is a bit long so It'll drop 1 or 2 Psi before it  kicks on and starts to go to 15 psi again.


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Parafaragaramus]
    #20277797 - 07/15/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

MONSTER HOTPLATE.

This thing handles a fully stacked 40 quart All American. Gets it up to 15 psi in about 15 minutes. The temperature adjustment is very sensitive so you can really dial it in for a slow and steady rock on your valve.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20277815 - 07/15/14 05:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: cronicr]
    #20277854 - 07/15/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't see why the cheap one wouldn't work as it looks the same as the coils on my electric stove and I'm sure I could always replace the element if it got super hot and softened/warped.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20277894 - 07/15/14 06:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I watched a cheap model hot plate melt under the weight and and heat of a 30 quart All American.

I'd be careful putting a filled 30 quart on an oven range of any kind. Not all ovens are made the same, and some just can't handle the weight/heat.

I know for a fact many of the cheaper hot plates can't even get 30 quart PCs up to 15 psi or even 10 psi, and even if they can achieve it they will over heat and shut off in the middle of your run if they have a safety mechanism(hopefully they do).

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20277906 - 07/15/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I only run dual 16qts

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20277911 - 07/15/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Other than the sterilizer being quiet as compared to the canner, any other differences?

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20277917 - 07/15/14 06:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I only run dual 16qts




You'd be able to get away with a cheaper hotplate then.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20278014 - 07/15/14 06:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I like the electric sterilizers because of the mechanical timers. Also why I was wondering about hotplates which could easily be put on a timer as well.




Those timers don't shut off the heat. They simply make noise. You still have to get up to turn it off. No set it and go to bed type shit.

The cool thing about the electric ones, IMO, is that it doesn't take up a spot on your stove. So if you're PCing 5 batches that day you can still cook dinner. The thermostat is also very accurate. Once you figure out where to set it, you can mark it and use that setting over and over with precision.

IME the main advantage for us using the sterilizer over the PC is the noise. The actual sterilizer can also handle 20 PSI safely, which can cut down a little on your sterilization time.


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20278441 - 07/15/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well considering my hot water heater in my new place is currently set at 6355477 degrees, I would at least have a head start with a plate.

I'll probably go that route first before dropping 600-800 an an AA.

Wonder if they sell them in store anywhere and really what the differences are in cheaper ones vs more expensive ones?

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20278536 - 07/15/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I have had pour luck with a couple different hot plates. I found that most don't get hot enough to boil water. If it wont boil water it wont hold 15psi in a cooker. I bit the bullet and got a propane burner that was used for frying turkeys. The only drawback to this is soot. I would get about 20 runs on a rank of gas. Hope this helps.


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: jerrylove]
    #20278596 - 07/15/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'd rather not put my cheaper prestos on a burner though I own 2 outdoor ones.

Most of the plates I see are 1000 watt and I have a hard time believing they wouldn't reach 15psi. I really don't wanna buy one and have no use for it though.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: jerrylove]
    #20278684 - 07/15/14 08:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I have had pour luck with a couple different hot plates. I found that most don't get hot enough to boil water. If it wont boil water it wont hold 15psi in a cooker. I bit the bullet and got a propane burner that was used for frying turkeys. The only drawback to this is soot. I would get about 20 runs on a rank of gas. Hope this helps.




If you're sick of soot, which is very bad for you health to be breathing in, then get the hotplate I linked to above. The thing is a beast. Well worth the cash. I had the same issue in the past with hot plates being insufficient, did some research, and found this guy.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20278698 - 07/15/14 08:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Lol that hitch is $120 though. I could do Soooo much with that.

Although I see its 1500 watts. I may be able to find the same wattage a lot cheaper, thanks for the link.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20278745 - 07/15/14 09:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you can find the same wattage for cheaper, let me know. I'd be interested in it.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20278799 - 07/15/14 09:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I know we don't generally advocate Walmart but this will give you a starting point


http://mobile.walmart.com/#ip/Nesco-Single-Burner/36908831?type=search

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti] * 1
    #20279122 - 07/15/14 10:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I just use a Black & Decker one from Wal-Mart..I think it was 20 bucks. Probably not the sturdiest or safest thing in the world to be putting a PC and 7 jars on, but it actually does the job. Put the weight on after about an hour then it takes maybe 30 minutes to get to pressure then 90 minutes from there. I've used it probably..12 times with success each time.

It does worry me though...I need to find a way to make the thing more stable.


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20279172 - 07/15/14 10:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus Christ that's a long pc run.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20279176 - 07/15/14 10:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I had my 23qt on a new coil last night first time I used it and it fuckin burned out on me I think it was to heavy or maybe the fact it only cost me 10$. made my whole room smell like burnt plastic


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    #20279216 - 07/15/14 11:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Jesus Christ that's a long pc run.




Yeah dude it takes forever. It works though. I have a glass-top range, so I can't use that.


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    #20279218 - 07/15/14 11:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Jesus Christ that's a long pc run.





Yeah, because his hot plate is poop. My cadco has steam coming out of my filled 30 quart all american in about 10-15 minutes, and once I put the weight on it is to 15 psi in another 10-15 minutes.


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This is why I buy expensive models, because you get what you pay for. The wattage doesn't matter if the unit is constructed like a piece of crap.

You have two issues with cheaper construction:

1) It melts due to the heat/weight of a large PC and sets your house on fire

2) If it is equipped with a safety mechanism, it turns off due to over heating and you can't get your PCer up to the needed PSI.

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    #20279227 - 07/15/14 11:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Jesus Christ that's a long pc run.





Yeah, because his hot plate is poop. My cadco has steam coming out of my filled 30 quart all american in about 10-15 minutes, and once I put the weight on it is to 15 psi in another 10-15 minutes.




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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20279294 - 07/15/14 11:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The actual sterilizer can also handle 20 PSI safely, which can cut down a little on your sterilization time.



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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: Ghatti]
    #20279306 - 07/15/14 11:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I know we don't generally advocate Walmart but this will give you a starting point


http://mobile.walmart.com/#ip/Nesco-Single-Burner/36908831?type=search




I can't find any reviews for it, but all the Nesco hot plates are crap in my experience. The wattage doesn't matter if it can't structurally handle the heat or weight of the pc without shutting off or being destroyed.

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    #20279328 - 07/15/14 11:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Jesus Christ that's a long pc run.





Yeah, because his hot plate is poop. My cadco has steam coming out of my filled 30 quart all american in about 10-15 minutes, and once I put the weight on it is to 15 psi in another 10-15 minutes.




Which one do you have?




Cadco. They make amazing products. They're the AA of hot plates.

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20279506 - 07/16/14 01:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno, at least at first glance it looks solid enough to hold my little 16qts. I have softened many a coil so I dig the flat top design.

Would I put an AA on it? Uh no.

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    #20279756 - 07/16/14 04:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The actual sterilizer can also handle 20 PSI safely, which can cut down a little on your sterilization time.



this:thumbup:
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How much of a reduction in run time are we talking?  RR suggests 2 hours for woodchip/sawdust bags at 15psi, so only run it for 1.5hrs at 20psi?

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    #20280065 - 07/16/14 07:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the link Eagle


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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #20280086 - 07/16/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah... I need a hotplate too, My white stove is getting FUCKED from pc being on high until boiling.
Started me wondering how everyone else does it without destroying their stovetops... Or at least how they clean it up.
Might even end up repainting my oven occasionally with high temp paint lol.
Yeah thanks for the link eagle!

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Re: Hotplates and pressure cookers. [Re: pawnzy]
    #20280590 - 07/16/14 10:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I melted down a glass top with a canned pot once. Melted the coating right off and shattered the top. The wife was PISSSSSSSED OFF! Thats when I started using hot plates and propane burners.


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    #20280618 - 07/16/14 10:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

That really sucks man ^

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    #20280768 - 07/16/14 11:35 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Oh yeah it did. Lucky for me the replacement was only a couplehundred bucks.


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