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PussyFart
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: Mykes logos]
#20274317 - 07/14/14 11:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mykes logos said: misting the walls will help you indicate when you need to mist again when you no longer see any condensation on the sides... you're trying to get 100% rH here.
It's not condensation if you put it there....it's simply water on the walls.
Look at the cakes to judge when it's time to mist again, that is what matters.
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Mykes logos said: I don't know how big your SGFC is, but can you mist the walls without misting the cakes? Give it a whirl.
This would do all of nothing, please stop giving advice.
You want to mist the cakes, not the walls of the FC.
Misting the walls does nothing, misting the cakes replaces lost moisture from evaporation.
Moisture that the cakes need to produce mushrooms. And evaporation off the cakes is a main pinning trigger...not evaporation off the plastic tub.
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waffams
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: PussyFart]
#20274338 - 07/14/14 11:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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While I hate arguments, I never would have known that if it weren't for you guys, so thanks. I actually think I've seen PussyFart making that point on a few other posts
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#20274345 - 07/14/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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waffams
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: Sanguin3]
#20278201 - 07/15/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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How long after pins should I be worried that they haven't matured?
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: waffams]
#20278205 - 07/15/14 07:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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when the cap goes black
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: Mykes logos]
#20278254 - 07/15/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mykes logos said: Not really. You're misting... which will hit everything. I'm simply saying mist the sides b/c it can be helpful to determine when to mist again, if drafts in the room are affecting it, etc.... Op was already misting in general. Arguing about this doesn't make any sense...
I understand what you are trying to say here, but looking at moisture on the walls of a SGFC is not a good way to tell if your cakes need misting.
When you spray water on the walls, it will evaporate at a different rate than your cakes for multiple reasons including proximity to holes and difference in materials.
But, more importantly, it takes your focus off the thing you actually care about...the moisture of your cakes.
You don't need to avoid misting the walls, but it is completely pointless to intentional do so.
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20278314 - 07/15/14 07:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
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Mykes logos said: Not really. You're misting... which will hit everything. I'm simply saying mist the sides b/c it can be helpful to determine when to mist again, if drafts in the room are affecting it, etc.... Op was already misting in general. Arguing about this doesn't make any sense...
I understand what you are trying to say here, but looking at moisture on the walls of a SGFC is not a good way to tell if your cakes need misting.
When you spray water on the walls, it will evaporate at a different rate than your cakes for multiple reasons including proximity to holes and difference in materials.
But, more importantly, it takes your focus off the thing you actually care about...the moisture of your cakes.
You don't need to avoid misting the walls, but it is completely pointless to intentional do so.
Yeah, I guess I always thought it was doing something when I used to use a bunch of SGFCs. I misted my tubs from a couple feet away and everything got soaked- but I never intentionally directly misted my cakes or trays, and I had amazing success using a SGFC inside a closet without a light a few times. I have also had great success just setting my SGFCs by a window instead of using lights. I even built a GH right up against a north-facing window and never used lights for months. never noticed any differences 
I'm not saying that's what everyone should do, I've just tried a lot of different things with a lot of different species and I've had good results with methods that are usually frowned upon...
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: cronicr]
#20278386 - 07/15/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: when the cap goes black
I see most people who ask that question get answers between 4-8 days, just trying to make sure nothing is stalling.
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cronicr



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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: waffams]
#20278425 - 07/15/14 07:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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it's fine for them to stall out for awhile just as long as they don't go black, this happens with bulk most of the time, you get up to your first three flushes in your initial pinset where some grow some abort and some just lay there dormant doing nuthing, thoise are your next flush
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: cronicr]
#20278609 - 07/15/14 08:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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This is what happened when I used Miracle Grow perlite. I had very bad FAE in that SGFC as you could imagine and it contamed.
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#20278709 - 07/15/14 08:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, whatever perlite you use, rinse it well so the holes don't clog. Lesson learned.
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: BLINKfan420]
#20278804 - 07/15/14 09:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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BLINKfan420 said: This is what happened when I used Miracle Grow perlite. I had very bad FAE in that SGFC as you could imagine and it contamed.

I rinsed it as well as I could. What's a good way to check for this issue without disturbing my cakes? What about fixing it?
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: waffams]
#20278810 - 07/15/14 09:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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take your cakes out and check it, some people put a screen at the bottom to stop the clogging
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waffams
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: cronicr]
#20278829 - 07/15/14 09:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: take your cakes out and check it, some people put a screen at the bottom to stop the clogging
I used a mesh underneath it to prevent finer stuff from falling through, but obviously that won't help. Could I unclog from the bottom? If it's clogged, with a skewer or something?
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: waffams]
#20278840 - 07/15/14 09:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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you could but it would be easier to just wet it in the shower dump it in another tote, the good stuff should go that sticky stuff will stick, now take it outside and hose it down and get that shit out of there or your gonna be going to town on it with your skewer weekly
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: waffams]
#20278849 - 07/15/14 09:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you don't have a strainer, you can do it in your SGFC with a little effort.
You may need to dump some of it in a big pot or bowl and rinse a little at a time. The screen is a double edge sword. While it helps keep the finer particles from falling through, it also helps keep the finer particles from falling through.
A good rinse of the perlite may help until you can get a larger cut. You will make a mess. sorry
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20278886 - 07/15/14 09:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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thats what i do is blast my shower on it and all the small piecs come out and the powder gets stuck to the bottom
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waffams
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20278934 - 07/15/14 09:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well shit. I made a huge mess rinsing it the first time and I lack adequate filtration to keep it from all going in the shower drain. But I'll rinse it once more before I get coarser stuff. Where should I keep the cakes while I rinse it? Let's assume it'll take me half an hour.
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: waffams]
#20279047 - 07/15/14 10:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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get some mesh sink strainer to put in your drain. or some chore boy to stuff in there. it'll keep the perlite from going down. If you have another tote thats the same size as your fruiting chamber, you can put a coffee mug into each corner, place your fruiting chamber in, and then rinse. this way all the fine perlite goes into the tote underneath. then just take it outside and dump it.
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Re: First time: SGFC question--so fine perlite restricts airflow.. [Re: Attainment]
#20279150 - 07/15/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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The shower method is good but can be super messy, a good alternative is outside with a hose, which will also provide higher water pressure (your thumb)
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