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Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist
    #2026202 - 10/20/03 06:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are only the latest in a long line of Arab bogeymen

Neil Clark
Monday October 20, 2003
The Guardian


First, they tried to dismiss Iraqi resistance as the work of "Saddam loyalists". Then they sought to blame "outside forces". Now, as it becomes clear that Iraqis of all sects oppose the occupation, a third explanation has arisen. Terrorism, anarchy and criminality are prevalent in Iraq because ... er ... terrorism, anarchy and criminality are what Iraqis do.

Arabophobia has been part of western culture since the Crusades, with Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden only the latest in a long line of Arab bogeymen. For centuries the Arab has played the role of villain, seducer of our women, hustler and thief - the barbarian lurking at the gates of civilisation.

In the 20th century new images emerged: the fanatical terrorist, the stone-thrower, the suicide bomber. Now, as the Project for a New American Century suffers its first major setback in the back streets of Baghdad and Basra, Arabophobia has been given a new lease of life. "I read TE Lawrence before I came here," a British officer was quoted in the Mail on Sunday. "A century ago he recognised dishonesty was inherent in Arab society. Today is the same. They do nothing for love and nothing at all if they can help it."

The attitudes of the officer, shocking though they are, only mirror those of the people who sent him to war. Scratch a neo-con and you find an Arabophobe. Condoleezza Rice, President Bush's national security adviser, has berated Arabs on the "need to change their behaviour". Douglas Feith, the undersecretary of defence for policy, has talked of Israel's "moral superiority" over its neighbours. And the veteran foreign policy hawk Richard Perle, when asked about the fears Egyptians had of the Iraq war provoking an Arab backlash, replied: "Egyptians can barely govern their own country, we don't need advice on how to govern ours."

For the first time, we have an American administration that talks of "de-Arabising" the Middle East - the ultimate Perleian dream of Arab nations governed by clones of Ahmed Chalabi, their bazaars buried under shopping malls and Arab hospitality (not good for business) replaced by western corporate ethics.

It is not hard to find evidence of the increased pervasiveness of neo-con-induced Arabophobia in our media, whether intentional or not. Contrast Jeremy Paxman's handling of Ruth Wedgewood, an American neo-conservative, and Imad Moustapha, Syria's deputy ambassador to the US, on Newsnight recently. Professor Wedgewood was treated with a deference you would expect Paxman to reserve for his great aunt, Dr Moustapha with a withering contempt and studied condescension (why should we believe you, "old chap"?). But with respect, Jeremy, why should we not believe Dr Moustapha? Wedgewood was speaking for a nation that launched an illegal war of aggression on grounds which have proved to be false. Moustapha was the representative of a country which is in no breach of international law and has called for the removal of all WMD from the Middle East.

Issues of mendacity have, of course, been a major theme in international events this year. The British public had to decide who was telling the truth: Tony Blair, with his claim that Iraq posed "a very real threat to Britain", or Saddam, with his repeated denials. The neo-cons knew that their case for war was painfully thin. But they banked on Arabophobia - stoked by their allies in the media - to do the rest: Tony, the white, middle-class churchgoer, or Saddam, the swarthy Arab? For many, there was no contest. Of course, Saddam couldn't possibly be telling the truth about not possessing WMD. He's an Arab. Arabs lie. We know this from TE Lawrence.

Critical to the neo-con plan to obtain control of the resources of the Middle East is a need to portray Arabs not just as mendacious, but also as "barely capable" of running their own countries without benign outside interference. The neo-con notion that Arabs need "civilising" and "assistance" in shaping their future differs very little from the attitudes of the first British imperialists in Africa more than a century ago. The British and American officers who now talk of Iraqi "dishonesty", and seek to portray Iraq as a backward and savage land, would rather we forget that up until the imposition of sanctions by Britain and the US, independent Ba'athist Iraq, although a dictatorship, had the most developed infrastructure, the best healthcare and the best universities of any country in the Middle East.

"Iraqis are the world's best dodgers and thieves - they are descended from a direct line of Ali Babas," says Corporal Kevin Harnley of the Royal Engineers, bemoaning the black market in British-issue police uniforms. The irony, that he himself has been an accomplice to one of the most audacious smash-and-grab enterprises in the history of thievery, seems to have been lost on him.

? Neil Clark is a writer and journalist specialising in Middle Eastern and Balkan affairs


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Zahid]
    #2026213 - 10/20/03 06:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You are right. Saddam and Osama are really just misunderstood souls who wouldn't hurt a fly.

Saddam didn't really kill hundreds of thousands of his own people, and it's just a racist conspiracy down at Amnesty International that keeps that myth alive.



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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: wingnutx]
    #2026228 - 10/20/03 06:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think the article implied anything like that.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Phluck]
    #2026233 - 10/20/03 06:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Mea culpa, I ham it up a little there.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: wingnutx]
    #2026254 - 10/20/03 06:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The article isn't about Osama and Saddan, it's about Arabophobia.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Zahid]
    #2026264 - 10/20/03 06:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The headline, in bold-faced letters, is "Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden are only the latest in a long line of Arab bogeymen"

A bogeyman is an imaginary threat used to frighten people. The headline states that Hussein and bin Laden are bogeymen.



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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: wingnutx]
    #2026302 - 10/20/03 06:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The header more or less refers to the poster children of Arabophobia. You're implying too much.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Zahid]
    #2026324 - 10/20/03 06:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If arabophobia is the irrational fear of arabs, and they are it's poster children, then it would follow that those 2 are in fact benign.

That, or they are a very poor choice of poster children.



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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: wingnutx]
    #2026468 - 10/20/03 07:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

They are poster children for the hysteria about Arabs and Muslims. Maybe I'm using a poor choice of words (poster children) but you get my drift wing! :wink: 


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Zahid]
    #2028262 - 10/21/03 11:55 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe the Us wouldn't be so "arabaphobic" if, say, the arabs werent' a crazy bunch of sand niggers hell bent on killing any innocent jew, america, or non-sand-nigger that they can find? I'm a bit leary of people that clap and cheer when someone blows themselves up in a bus, or a discoteque.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: lysergic]
    #2028270 - 10/21/03 12:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Just to back up my last statement...
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/muslim1.jpg
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/muslim5.jpg
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/muslim4.jpg
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/muslim8.jpg

Here are some great examples of the peaceful, ever-oppressed, religion of Islam! Long live peaceful Islam!
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/muslim10.jpg
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/muslim11.jpg
http://goldwater.mideastreality.com/muslim12.jpg


A picture of Arabs beating themselves with chains until they bleed. A father mutiliating his child, a mother oding the same. Do you all sit around all day thinking of ways to appear as ape-shit crazy as you possibly can to the outside world? I mean, it's one thing to support the attacks of terrorist on innocents world-wide (bali, the US, Israel), that makes ytou look pretty fucking ape-shitted as it is. Mutilating your children? Beating yourself with chains? OK Ahmed, we get the point, you are all fucking crazy.


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Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: lysergic]
    #2028273 - 10/21/03 12:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: lysergic]
    #2028283 - 10/21/03 12:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

that's pretty fucked up, i wonder how long it'll take before someone blames the US for those nut jobs cutting themselves?


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2028287 - 10/21/03 12:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's called religion.  It's not done out of any sort of malice.  It's done out of reverance.  But of course, it's not something we're familiar with in America, so it MUST be wrong. :smirk:


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #2028301 - 10/21/03 12:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

quit yer whinin' it's fucked up. Religions are fucking loopy anyhow.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2028303 - 10/21/03 12:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Is circumcision fucked up?


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #2028310 - 10/21/03 12:25 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

circumcisions, nowadays are done for health reasons. But i see your point and i still say those wackjobs are fucked up, besides have you seen a uncirced penis? That's got to be the dumbest looking thing.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2028372 - 10/21/03 12:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The only reason why uncircumcised penises look dumb to us is cuz as a culture we tend to practice circumcision. As for fucked up religious rituals are concerned, have you ever seen that Catholic ritual practiced in Italy where they guys in white robes whip their own backs until they become bloody?


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: silversoul7]
    #2028385 - 10/21/03 12:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I realize that in this day and age of "nothing is wrong, due to subjective morality, other than anythign the US does, which is totaly wrong", it's hard to really assign blame. However, cutting your child for non-medical purposes (circumsision) is a crime in every nation I can think of that is cilivized. Obviously, it is the lack of civlity in these nations that leads to such ignorance.


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Re: Scratch a Neo-Con, find a Racist [Re: lysergic]
    #2028391 - 10/21/03 12:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Remember that circumcision has not been traditionally done for health purposes. It was done for religious purposes. Now, I know it may seem fucked up to cut your child for a religious ritual, but that's the thing: we try our hardest to shield our children from pain, whereas most other cultures prepare their child for the pain that exists in this world through painful rituals.


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