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"Knowing" beyond beliefs, beliefs and Hypnosis...
    #2026176 - 10/20/03 06:08 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Ever wonder if all this talk about no-mind, you will KNOW
the Truth when your mind is quiet and undisturbed by
thought, etc is all just another Belief ?
Just another Mental "Trick" ?
Another form of Hypnosis ?
The reason I'm questioning this is because I've had some
recent direct experience with a state of an unusually quiet mind
with none of the Bliss etc usually purported by New-Age gurus...
For the longest time I didn't really have a perspective to
make any sense of what these people were talking about
(but it sounded wonderful - uninterrupted bliss, yeah I'll take
some of that :smirk: ), but now that I feel I do
(Experientially)...I'm wondering...


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Re: "Knowing" beyond beliefs, beliefs and Hypnosis... [Re: lucid]
    #2026387 - 10/20/03 07:12 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I've been wondering about this quite a lot recently.

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none of the Bliss etc usually purported by New-Age gurus...




Same thing here...that's why I'm wondering.

Then again, belief systems were created by humans, so technically any part could be flawed. I just don't think anyone has hit the nail on the head yet.

Just my opinion.


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Re: "Knowing" beyond beliefs, beliefs and Hypnosis... [Re: Darkcloud]
    #2026436 - 10/20/03 07:22 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Lunatik said:
I've been wondering about this quite a lot recently.

Quote:

none of the Bliss etc usually purported by New-Age gurus...




Same thing here...that's why I'm wondering.

Then again, belief systems were created by humans, so technically any part could be flawed. I just don't think anyone has hit the nail on the head yet.




Yup, everyone points to the Buddha as the quintessential
example of Awakening/Enlightenment/Psychological Evolution etc,
and everyone regurgitates his teachings in some way or
another. For the longest time, the teachings made sense to me
in a sort of intellectual way and appealed greatly to me, to
the point where I was quite emphatically convinced and went
around espousing the teachings. However after many years of
meditation, a fair bit of solitary retreat, some very
interesting experiences while meditating (quiet mind,
shifts in conciousness etc) and a bad Shroom
induced Depression, I'm truely beginning to reconsider the
efficacy of Meditation and the notion of a "True Self" beyond
thought...
NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) talks a lot about how
everything is a form of Hypnosis and the popular "The map
is not the territory" analogy. Perhaps they have a more accurate
model than New-Age proponents and Buddhist views...
I'm ambivilant, I'm still meditating cause I'm still curious
to see where/if anywhere it leads (Metaphorically speaking)...


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Re: "Knowing" beyond beliefs, beliefs and Hypnosis... [Re: lucid]
    #2026453 - 10/20/03 07:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

When the world as you know it stops persisting, only Truth is perceived. :wink: 


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Re: "Knowing" beyond beliefs, beliefs and Hypnosis... [Re: Zahid]
    #2026467 - 10/20/03 07:28 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Zahid said:
When the world as you know it stops persisting, only Truth is perceived. :wink:   



Touche :grin:
I submit, I'm not worthy... :grin:


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Re: "Knowing" beyond beliefs, beliefs and Hypnosis... [Re: lucid]
    #2026549 - 10/20/03 08:07 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Are you meditating on a beautiful and appealing 'lake,' or on the 'Ocean of Existence?'
Will you be fulfilled by the occasional nibble on your line, or are you open to being swallowed by a 'Great Fish?'
Are the 'minor mysteries' sufficient for your current level of development, or are you ready for the 'Great Mystery?'
The foolishness of GOD is Greater than the Wisdom of men.


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Re: "Knowing" beyond beliefs, beliefs and Hypnosis... [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2026625 - 10/20/03 09:26 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

MarkostheGnostic said:
Are you meditating on a beautiful and appealing 'lake,' or on the 'Ocean of Existence?'
Will you be fulfilled by the occasional nibble on your line, or are you open to being swallowed by a 'Great Fish?'
Are the 'minor mysteries' sufficient for your current level of development, or are you ready for the 'Great Mystery?'
The foolishness of GOD is Greater than the Wisdom of men. 



Imma ready for the Great Mystery !
Lay it on me man  :laugh:
I'm sick n tired of being sick n tired...


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