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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261036 - 07/12/14 01:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Broken down into simple carbs and sugar chains likely.




I don't like guessing, personally. Not trying to be argumentative, but I don't like presumptions.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261047 - 07/12/14 01:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Into what?




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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261066 - 07/12/14 01:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Considering mycelium can go into literal stasis in the absence of oxygen or even moisture, I'd have to say that you're not choking the mycelium by encouraging co2 build up.




Okay maybe I went a little overboard with the choking thing. Lol. Wouldn't stasis be counter productive? Like i said push the envelope to a point. If the sub starts pinning, obviously it's more than ready to induce fruiting conditions.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: insanemike]
    #20261123 - 07/12/14 01:28 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

high co2 won't choke the mycelium out, completely cutting off ge will though,
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Why not let the tub pull away from the sides before inducing fruiting conditions? I have noticed that fruiting just after 100% colonization, it still doesn't pin until it pulls away. Wouldn't that ensure enough food has been processed into energy to produce a better first flush? Basically with minimum gas exchange your forcing your hand at it's biological clock to fruit before it dies, is this correct with limited O2 and a build up of CO2(basically choking it) I know consolidation is not needed for a monotub but wouldn't waiting an extra week to fruit be beneficial? I like to think of it as a drama ( 1)conflict or build up of tension 2) the climax and 3) the resolution. It's like a build up of energy waiting to be released. The longer you wait (up to a point, maybe near suffocation) would give you a better first flush. Feel free to criticize me all you want, lol, I'm still a noob and have alot left to learn.



you get alot more aborts going that route, 3 days would be the most you should consolidate bulk, you will get better pinsets and faster pinsets giving it the proper consitions at 100% colonization


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20261246 - 07/12/14 02:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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high co2 won't choke the mycelium out, completely cutting off ge will though,
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Why not let the tub pull away from the sides before inducing fruiting conditions? I have noticed that fruiting just after 100% colonization, it still doesn't pin until it pulls away. Wouldn't that ensure enough food has been processed into energy to produce a better first flush? Basically with minimum gas exchange your forcing your hand at it's biological clock to fruit before it dies, is this correct with limited O2 and a build up of CO2(basically choking it) I know consolidation is not needed for a monotub but wouldn't waiting an extra week to fruit be beneficial? I like to think of it as a drama ( 1)conflict or build up of tension 2) the climax and 3) the resolution. It's like a build up of energy waiting to be released. The longer you wait (up to a point, maybe near suffocation) would give you a better first flush. Feel free to criticize me all you want, lol, I'm still a noob and have alot left to learn.



you get alot more aborts going that route, 3 days would be the most you should consolidate bulk, you will get better pinsets and faster pinsets giving it the proper consitions at 100% colonization




hypothetically speaking, if you let it consolidate until the first pin and then induced fruiting, what would cause more than just that one pin from aborting?

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: insanemike]
    #20261278 - 07/12/14 02:24 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

well thats pretty hypothetical because if ya see one there should be an army knotted up as well:lol: but it's just an observation i've made after it was first pointed out to me by frank i think it was,consolidation is for nutrient rich substrates in order for the mycelium to digest it enough for proper frutiing, it has no problem doing this as it colonizes with bulk substrates and i've found you will get to pins faster by giving it the conditions needed to pin(pinning triggers)
i see some people struggle and have there tubs in fruiting for more then a week with no signs of knotting or anything and can attribute that to not mixing there spawn evenly enough, i'll have pics coming up pretty soon showing this as what i seen was a 4 day difference in colonizing times and when put into fruiting but thats another story in general


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20261297 - 07/12/14 02:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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well thats pretty hypothetical because if ya see one there should be an army knotted up as well:lol: but it's just an observation i've made after it was first pointed out to me by frank i think it was,consolidation is for nutrient rich substrates in order for the mycelium to digest it enough for proper frutiing, it has no problem doing this as it colonizes with bulk substrates and i've found you will get to pins faster by giving it the conditions needed to pin(pinning triggers)
i see some people struggle and have there tubs in fruiting for more then a week with no signs of knotting or anything and can attribute that to not mixing there spawn evenly enough, i'll have pics coming up pretty soon showing this as what i seen was a 4 day difference in colonizing times and when put into fruiting but thats another story in general




Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with me. One last question if you don't mind. What would you consider 100% colonization? When the surface layer is completely colonized or when it begins to pull away from the tub?

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: insanemike]
    #20261303 - 07/12/14 02:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

when the surface has colonized, it won't pullaway until you give it fae and it starts to devour the sub


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20261313 - 07/12/14 02:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Wouldn't stasis be counter productive




Yes, but you won't achieve stasis in your tub regardless(woot woot) of what you do to it. Mycelium would not go into stasis in the monotub setting. Not from simply cutting off ge or high levels of co2, or anything like that. An example of mycelium that has entered stasis would be when you dry your fruits. They are technically still alive. Not many people know that, and it's very cool.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole]
    #20261320 - 07/12/14 02:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Into what?




Mushrooms.




But mushrooms are 90 percent water!

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261343 - 07/12/14 02:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if dried fruits are the best example of mycelium in stasis.  Wouldn't a refrigerated culture slant be a more relevant choice in comparison, in terms of... say.. resumability, if that were a word?

A dried fruit being alive is cool, (and also sort of creepy) but if you could just take a dried mushroom and start growing with it as an inoculant this hobby would be a hell of a lot easier.

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Mushrooms.




But mushrooms are 90 percent water!




Yeah but they're still pumping out super strong stalks comprised of several grams of pure dried material a piece.  That's impressive for a dessicated natural structure considering the time frame they're produced within.  The fact that the energy required to do all that even exists in grains and coir and can be utilized for up to 6-7 flushes in many cases is downright astounding, but I've sure as day seen mycelium dissolve separate grains all into a single mush of indistinguishable consistency without producing any mushrooms at all, so obviously just existing and fighting off contaminants takes its toll and requires the consumption of the substrate, albeit a bit slower than when fruiting.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole]
    #20261351 - 07/12/14 02:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

A dried fruit is a perfect example of stasis. A specimens ability to be used as a inoculant holds no bearing on whether or not the specimen would be considered to be in stasis. Stasis has nothing to do with it's ability to be used as an inoculant. Although, growth CAN be achieved from dried fruits.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole]
    #20261363 - 07/12/14 03:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not arguing that it does.  But when the term stasis is being used to descrbe a state the mycelium is in that is in most regards, still recoverable, the dried fruit bit seems a bit like a spillover textbook tidbit that wanted to work its way in.

I typically don't think of something as in stasis if the only place it has to go from where it is is to die completely.  I get that it technically is but, it's kind of irrelevant on the topic of monotubs.

It really doesn't matter, it's a cool piece of information, and maybe you were just trying to illustrate that stasis was the wrong word to use in the first place.  All I'm saying is the casual meaning that a lot of people will use for it is going to lean more toward the culture slant idea, and that's more relevant to what will happen when you cut off GE in a monotub.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20261368 - 07/12/14 03:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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when the surface has colonized, it won't pullaway until you give it fae and it starts to devour the sub




I have a tub right now in colonization mode(minimum GE). Today makes it 8 days from spawning and 3 days from 100% visible colonization (top, sides and bottom).Two days ago it began to pull away on one of the long sides and part of both short sides touching that long side. I was going to wait until day 12 to introduce fruiting since that is how long it took the last tub to pin. Instead I will take your advice and fruit as soon as I get home. Thank you.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: insanemike]
    #20261376 - 07/12/14 03:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Helllllll yeah.  Do the thang.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261767 - 07/12/14 07:02 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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no thats the mycelium eating the substrate, you can dunk a sub it won't get back to the same size




Where does the eaten substrate go exactly? Does it disappear?





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