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PussyFart
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole] 1
#20258873 - 07/11/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: The number one pinning trigger ISN'T fresh air, it's full colonization, followed by evaporation of moisture from the surface of the substrate.
But you can only have evaporation with fresh air....lol
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PussyFart]
#20258922 - 07/11/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I haven't personally had issues with it, though it's a practice I tend to stay away from out of patience and the fact that I can see through my lids.
I've seen more than one TC suggest it's a non-issue as well, though I take it you are on the other side of that argument?
This poor guy, just trying to figure out if his tub looks alright (which it does), and people have at it in here. I guess that happens in every thread. Just don't leave the lid off for more than 15-20 seconds and you should be good, OP.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole]
#20259061 - 07/11/14 06:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Inocuole said: This poor guy, just trying to figure out if his tub looks alright (which it does), and people have at it in here. I guess that happens in every thread. Just don't leave the lid off for more than 15-20 seconds and you should be good, OP.
Not poor guy. He got his question answered and then some. This is how you learn more than what you can think to ask.
Taking the lid off for a minute won't start your pinning. As was said, full colonization is the #1 pinning trigger, followed by evaporation of the substrate. I've never seen a substrate pin because of only one single pinning factor being introduced though. You need at least full colonization (even if that means it hit a contam) and one of the other pinning triggers, be it FAE/evaporation or light.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#20259120 - 07/11/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Heh. I was super reluctant to open my lid, and I can assure you it wasn't even off for ten seconds. I won't open it again regardless, as I want to run my mono like a mono. This is all good stuff in the discussion. Passionate reasonable people are people who care. That's a goid discussion.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: HigglePig]
#20259187 - 07/11/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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this thread... , good luck op!
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
#20259696 - 07/11/14 08:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Do people no read my posts lol
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
#20259746 - 07/11/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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PsiloBeast said: Do people no read my posts lol
i did and agree, the whole co2 thing just ain't right lol, thats something we tke advantage of as by nature they dont' get that luxury
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
#20259757 - 07/11/14 08:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah no arguments there. Well I guess there are in fact arguments but not from me toward you at this moment. I just wanted to touch on the rhizomorph thing you said, the lid peeking thing is another matter entirely.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
#20259764 - 07/11/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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PsiloBeast said: Do people no read my posts lol
i did and agree, the whole co2 thing just ain't right lol, thats something we tke advantage of as by nature they dont' get that luxury
Omg...thank you cronicr, if I could rate you twice I sure as hell would.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
#20260478 - 07/11/14 10:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Opening your tub real quick to take a picture is NOT going to trigger pinning considering the CO2 levels will rise back up to normal within less than an hour of replacing the lid.
You know this how? You've tested the co2 levels?
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The number one pinning trigger ISN'T fresh air, it's full colonization
Where did I say that the number one pinning trigger was fresh air? I never said that once or insinuated it either.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#20260519 - 07/11/14 10:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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yes the co2 levels has been tested and yes it takes a few minutes to get back up there, as i said by nature they dont' get the luxury of high co2 levels, we use those high co2 levels to stop the mycelium from completely digesting the sub all we want is it to colonize it so it can devour it during fruiting which is why you se the sub pull away from the walls durinf fruiting
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
#20260528 - 07/11/14 10:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: yes the co2 levels has been tested and yes it takes a few minutes to get back up there, as i said by nature they dont' get the luxury of high co2 levels, we use those high co2 levels to stop the mycelium from completely digesting the sub all we want is it to colonize it so it can devour it during fruiting which is why you se the sub pull away from the walls durinf fruiting
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
#20260702 - 07/11/14 11:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: yes the co2 levels has been tested and yes it takes a few minutes to get back up there, as i said by nature they dont' get the luxury of high co2 levels, we use those high co2 levels to stop the mycelium from completely digesting the sub all we want is it to colonize it so it can devour it during fruiting which is why you se the sub pull away from the walls durinf fruiting
I was always under the impression that the sub shrunk during fruiting due to moisture loss, due to evaporation and the fruit bodies being 90 percent water.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#20260720 - 07/11/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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no thats the mycelium eating the substrate, you can dunk a sub it won't get back to the same size
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
#20260756 - 07/12/14 12:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: no thats the mycelium eating the substrate, you can dunk a sub it won't get back to the same size
Where does the eaten substrate go exactly? Does it disappear?
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#20260762 - 07/12/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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it's metabolized
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
#20260779 - 07/12/14 12:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Into what?
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#20260851 - 07/12/14 12:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Broken down into simple carbs and sugar chains likely.
OP, I've opened a few tubs to take a peek or pic, had someone knock on the door or phone ring and I left the tops off for an hour or so.
Once I remembered about it I put the top back on after a quick spritz and they finished colonizing just fine.
While I obviously wouldn't recommend this, leaving your top off for 5 mins will cause you no harm.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
#20260960 - 07/12/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why not let the tub pull away from the sides before inducing fruiting conditions? I have noticed that fruiting just after 100% colonization, it still doesn't pin until it pulls away. Wouldn't that ensure enough food has been processed into energy to produce a better first flush? Basically with minimum gas exchange your forcing your hand at it's biological clock to fruit before it dies, is this correct with limited O2 and a build up of CO2(basically choking it) I know consolidation is not needed for a monotub but wouldn't waiting an extra week to fruit be beneficial? I like to think of it as a drama ( 1)conflict or build up of tension 2) the climax and 3) the resolution. It's like a build up of energy waiting to be released. The longer you wait (up to a point, maybe near suffocation) would give you a better first flush. Feel free to criticize me all you want, lol, I'm still a noob and have alot left to learn.
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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Ghatti]
#20261023 - 07/12/14 01:07 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Considering mycelium can go into literal stasis in the absence of oxygen or even moisture, I'd have to say that you're not choking the mycelium by encouraging co2 build up.
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