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Rye grain Brain pain
    #20257833 - 07/11/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I've seen a lot of different post on rye grain colonization times. Sometimes I've seen post with mycelium growth after three days and finished jars at 9 days. Other post out there say that jars can take as long as a month to show signs of growth.

Quart jars are at day 5 with zero signs of growth. Inoculated with 1.5 cc of MS now incubated at 80 degrees. Should this cause worry?

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20257855 - 07/11/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Spores can take weeks to germinate.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20257884 - 07/11/14 12:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Spores may take weeks to get going...especially if they are MS like you stated in your OP.

My current shortest "first signs of myc" time is 60 hours and my longest is 9 days.

After 14 days with no signs, you might want to start looking at options, but even then, I've heard of 3+ weeks...

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: das_shroom]
    #20258127 - 07/11/14 01:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks guys. I suppose only time will tell.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20258307 - 07/11/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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day 5 with zero signs of growth




Relax. My current batch of Penis Envy from a 2 year MS spore syringe took between 6-11 days to show growth.

5 days is nothing for MS.

You say they're being incubated. In what? Incubators cause more harm than good as long as your room temp is above 70ish.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20258410 - 07/11/14 03:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I've seen a lot of different post on rye grain colonization times. Sometimes I've seen post with mycelium growth after three days and finished jars at 9 days. Other post out there say that jars can take as long as a month to show signs of growth.

Quart jars are at day 5 with zero signs of growth. Inoculated with 1.5 cc of MS now incubated at 80 degrees. Should this cause worry?





Wait a couple weeks.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #20258417 - 07/11/14 03:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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they are in a tub in tub with an aquarium heater set to 80 degrees.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20258542 - 07/11/14 03:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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they are in a tub in tub with an aquarium heater set to 80 degrees.




Why? What is your room temperature? Your room temperature, if not in the extremes, is sufficient. Exposing the colonizing mycelium to a natural day/night light cycle is beneficial. They're not getting that in the dark of the tub I imagine.

I used to raise and breed tropical fresh water fish and and I've had many arguments with people but TIT(tub in tub) incubators are a fire hazard waiting to happen. Those aquarium heaters are less reliable than you'd think and can shatter for no reason, at any time.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20258602 - 07/11/14 04:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No pain, no grain.  Good luck.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20259019 - 07/11/14 06:09 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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they are in a tub in tub with an aquarium heater set to 80 degrees.




Why? What is your room temperature? Your room temperature, if not in the extremes, is sufficient. Exposing the colonizing mycelium to a natural day/night light cycle is beneficial. They're not getting that in the dark of the tub I imagine.

I used to raise and breed tropical fresh water fish and and I've had many arguments with people but TIT(tub in tub) incubators are a fire hazard waiting to happen. Those aquarium heaters are less reliable than you'd think and can shatter for no reason, at any time.




Room temps from 69 to 76. Would turning off the aquarium heater in my TiT and leaving the lid off be okay? Would that raise the potential for contams with the jars just being open to the air?

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20259219 - 07/11/14 06:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You can set the jars on the shelf or something.  They don't need a TiT with your room temps.  Assuming you have some filter on the lids you will be fine.  The tit doesn't help protect them from contaims.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: hushmush]
    #20259341 - 07/11/14 07:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No filters I just have lids on the jars.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20259375 - 07/11/14 07:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There is a good chance they will stall without a filtered GE hole in the lid, unless you are allowing for GE in some other way.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259434 - 07/11/14 07:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ideas for a way to create GE at this point?

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20259462 - 07/11/14 07:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

At this point you're boned dude.  If the lids are literally sealed there isn't a way to open/disrupt them unless you think you can fit a filter on each lid while keeping everything sterile.  Possible perhaps, but insanely difficult.

At this rate they're almost guaranteed to stall.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: Inocuole]
    #20259533 - 07/11/14 07:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Nooooooooooo. That's a real bummer. I'll crack the jars put them back in the incubator on a light cycle and try to keep it sterile I suppose.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20259537 - 07/11/14 07:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I thought we discussed the incubator being bad already?  Putting jars on a light cycle after opening them will have no positive effects.  That's like leaving a raw steak in the sun with the hopes of it cooking before it rots.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: Inocuole]
    #20259552 - 07/11/14 07:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you have a SAB or flowhood, you can try cracking them open 2-3 times a day. Don't take the lid completely off, just crack it so some gas will escape. You won't be trying to get air in, just some gas out for a few seconds and then tighten the lid back on.

I know some people use plastic lids with no GE hole. They just leave the lid ever so slightly cracked to vent. But, I would be afraid to do that with a 2-piece metal lid.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: Inocuole]
    #20259568 - 07/11/14 07:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You could plausibly have a 15-20% success rate doing this but the chances are greater that you will waste time.  In a hobby where patience is important, it's pure torture to set yourself back to the beginning, so try to do as little dwelling on it as possible if you have a choice.  If there's no chance in hell of you being able to start over right now go ahead and try what Spitball mentioned.  Otherwise, learning experience. :shrug:


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259616 - 07/11/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If you have a SAB or flowhood, you can try cracking them open 2-3 times a day. Don't take the lid completely off, just crack it so some gas will escape. You won't be trying to get air in, just some gas out for a few seconds and then tighten the lid back on.




2-3 times a day would be way too much. Once every couple days would do it. But this is a recipe for failure.

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I know some people use plastic lids with no GE hole. They just leave the lid ever so slightly cracked to vent.




Those people probably get a shitload of contams they don't talk about.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259619 - 07/11/14 08:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't have a SAB or flowhood. I was just going to put them in the incubator to attempt to keep it sterile with vented lids. Pretty much out of options. I may need to start over.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: Inocuole]
    #20259624 - 07/11/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

...or, just try it for the sake of science and post your results.

But, yeah, I would go ahead and get another project started if you can.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259627 - 07/11/14 08:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

crack the lids and micropore tape the lid ring:shrug:


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20259640 - 07/11/14 08:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So, how about your solution? Toss it?


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259648 - 07/11/14 08:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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So, how about your solution? Toss it?




Yup. As easy and cheap as this hobby is, there's no real reason to fuck around. And when you get in the habit of "it's not perfect, throw it out" you learn to get shit perfect pretty quickly.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20259650 - 07/11/14 08:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Yup. As easy and cheap as this hobby is, there's no real reason to fuck around.




This.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20259700 - 07/11/14 08:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

unless you used all your MS and don't get paid again for 2 weeks and the rents due out of that and you really really want to get growing.

But, I agree every couple days is probably plenty. But, lack of SAB or sterile environment may be a deal breaker. How did you inoculate theses jars? SHIP?

cronicr's idea might work.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: Inocuole]
    #20259711 - 07/11/14 08:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ordering two new syringes and experimenting with the doomed jars for science. Any suggestions are welcome. I might as well see what comes of it while waiting on new syringes.

I have a closet size bathroom that I got very sterile before inoculation even saturated air with disinfectant also zero airflow.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259718 - 07/11/14 08:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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unless you used all your MS and don't get paid again for 2 weeks and the rents due out of that and you really really want to get growing.




Want and need are 2 different things. Just because you WANT to get going right now doesn't mean it's gonna happen. If priorities don't allow to start over right now, so be it. Patience, young grasshopper.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20259725 - 07/11/14 08:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I have a closet size bathroom that I got very sterile before inoculation




No you didn't. The bathroom is the worst place you could work in. Build a SAB.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20259744 - 07/11/14 08:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Next time a SAB and filters for sure. This was my first non PFtek grow and an oversight. Thanks for the help everyone. I'll post if I can figure out a way to salvage these jars.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20259748 - 07/11/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yes...science

I personally wouldn't do it in the bathroom like that. It may be clean, but nowhere near sterile. It just seems risky to me. I know some people do and as long as the air is not moving you can decrease the risk. But, I still wouldn't do it.

I would suggest making the small investment for a SAB. It is much less risky than open air in the bathroom. If your current project contaminates, it will be hard to say if it was because of the bathroom, cracking the lids, or your syringe.


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    #20259774 - 07/11/14 08:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I swear, you pick some of the stupidest shit to want to argue about. It's not even a question of right or wrong; it's a question of "why bother?". I bet you're a Republican.


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    #20259776 - 07/11/14 08:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #20259786 - 07/11/14 08:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This thread needs something...hmm... :seriousthankyou: ...yeah that would work. :laugh2:

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259791 - 07/11/14 08:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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yes...science

I personally wouldn't do it in the bathroom like that. It may be clean, but nowhere near sterile. It just seems risky to me. I know some people do and as long as the air is not moving you can decrease the risk. But, I still wouldn't do it.

I would suggest making the small investment for a SAB. It is much less risky than open air in the bathroom. If your current project contaminates, it will be hard to say if it was because of the bathroom, cracking the lids, or your syringe.





Heey now that's a good idea about the damp towel as a bottom instead of a lid.  I may try that, sounds like way easier cleanup.


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    #20259815 - 07/11/14 08:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I swear, you pick some of the stupidest shit to want to argue about. It's not even a question of right or wrong; it's a question of "why bother?". I bet you're a Republican.




Just because you're still a kid and place high priorities on getting drugs doesn't mean all of us do. Getting high can wait if you're that tight.

If you don't have the money to do it right, don't do it. Or save up till you do. It doesn't take much, a couple hundred tops, for a big grow.

I've been here since before you, I'll be here after you. And text on my screen doesn't rustle my jimmies, so you should really just stay on topic.

And no, I'm not a Republican. I'd be an anarchist if I thought that it would really work for any amount of time on anything but the smallest scale.

I just said it was cheap and easy to start over so there's not much point in trying to polish a turd. You're the one that wanted to make it personal.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: Inocuole]
    #20259829 - 07/11/14 08:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I got the idea from PussyFart. About the only original thing I have to offer around here is my comedy styling.

If you have any questions about my SAB, feel free to post them over there. I'm sure plenty of folks will chime in with some help


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20259850 - 07/11/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:thisfuckinguy:


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20259873 - 07/11/14 08:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #20259879 - 07/11/14 08:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:feelingfab:


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: cronicr]
    #20261214 - 07/12/14 01:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I personally wouldn't do it in the bathroom like that. It may be clean, but nowhere near sterile.




Not to fuck with you, but how exactly does one get the place you wash the grime off your body, brush and floss your bacteria ridden mouth, and SHIT into clean? I'd wager the bathroom is the most contaminant ridden room in your entire home, even over the kitchen.

OP, don't inoculate in your bathroom bro.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261224 - 07/12/14 01:56 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

nope it's the kitchen by a long shot


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: cronicr]
    #20261238 - 07/12/14 02:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What's the cleanest room? I guess it doesn't matter that much with a good SAB but usually I do agar work in my little box in the kitchen but I keep my giant one in an outdoor toolshed that's pretty tightly sealed and doesn't have any vents so I'm wondering if maybe it's actually superior.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: nucleophile]
    #20261241 - 07/12/14 02:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

the cleanest room will be the one with the least amount of traffic:thumbup: but yep a sab can go anywhere, i park mine in the living room when my soapsbloodsports are on:hehehe:


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: cronicr]
    #20261255 - 07/12/14 02:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

i used my kitchen for a while, cause i used my gas stove as a flame :facepalm:
not the best idea, but goes to show, with good sterile technique and properly built SAB, u can pull a lot off.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20261289 - 07/12/14 02:28 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

oh yeah a sab no problem, i'll post up on the shitter and come out with iso's:laugh2:


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: cronicr]
    #20261290 - 07/12/14 02:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:lol:
making most efficient use of ur time!
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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20261731 - 07/12/14 06:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ahh the Toilet Bowl Tek.  I really need to write that one up.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261868 - 07/12/14 08:00 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I personally wouldn't do it in the bathroom like that. It may be clean, but nowhere near sterile.




Not to fuck with you, but how exactly does one get the place you wash the grime off your body, brush and floss your bacteria ridden mouth, and SHIT into clean? I'd wager the bathroom is the most contaminant ridden room in your entire home, even over the kitchen.

OP, don't inoculate in your bathroom bro.




I get my bathroom clean by scrubbing the tub, toilet, and sink with a bathroom cleaner. Then, I empty the garbage can and sweep and mop the floor. Then it's clean. Not open air inoculation clean, but normal everyday average person clean. Certainly not sterile, which was my point.


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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20261946 - 07/12/14 08:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

OP i think it may have sounded rude but i don't think the posts about avoiding the bathroom were meant to be.  I've read a LOT of different people (noobs) saying they inoculated in the bathroom.  It makes sense as its a small room with airflow you can control.  But the back lash from the community is always the same "DON'T inoculate in a b-room blah blah", it can sound harsh but i believe the community just doesn't want to see more people waste their time, money and energy when their entire grow is so easily compromised by their chosen inoculation site (the bathroom).

Let us know what you decided to do, either picked a dif room or got a SAB or what have you. 
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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: Donsanpedro]
    #20262699 - 07/12/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I live in a studio so there are literally two rooms, my kitchen/bedroom/livingroom and my 5x2 bathroom. I've done three sets of pftek inoculations in the kit/bed/liv that were successful with no SAB. Two contaminated jars out of 50ish. I thought I was being more sterile.

Bought stuff for a SAB and some polyfil. Going to try an salvage these jar somehow. I couldn't find any micropore tape or tyvek.

Also ordered more MS syringes. I'm just going to start over and do it all in a SAB this time with polyfil filters on the lids.

Thanks DSP. I will post if I can figure something out.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20262949 - 07/12/14 01:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Did your other 50 jars have gas exchange through the lids?

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20263198 - 07/12/14 02:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

None of them did but they were all BRF/Verm for PFtek.  Took between 14-28 days to colonize in TiT at 80 degrees.

My procedure for my boned jar science experiment:

SAB for 5 of 10 jars
Flame to nail and knife then alcohol bath.
Nailed though polyfil into lid removed nail and then hammered knife through the polyfil to open up hole more and stuff in polyfil.
Sometimes I used alcohol on the polyfil rubbing it in my hands, sometimes I sprayed it with disinfectant sometimes I did neither.

This may do nothing to help my colonization. I may grow mold instead. But it's about all the effort I want to put into what will probably be a failure. Even if one of the jars worked I would consider it a win at this point. Seven new syringes on the way so i'm going to study up how to do this the right way in the meantime.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20263785 - 07/12/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Seven new syringes on the way so i'm going to study up how to do this the right way in the meantime.




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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20271566 - 07/14/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Update:

Half of my jars now have spots of mycelium showing up.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20271685 - 07/14/14 03:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Post some pictures. There are some good eyes here who do a great job distinguishing mold from mushrooms.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20272060 - 07/14/14 04:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like the good mycelium. :thumbup:

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20272204 - 07/14/14 05:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yesssssssss

Thanks for your help TheEaglesGift

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: matrixmaster]
    #20272289 - 07/14/14 05:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My pleasure.

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Re: Rye grain Brain pain [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20273020 - 07/14/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Looks like the good mycelium. :thumbup:



Yeah.

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