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Questionable Method
    #20254112 - 07/10/14 04:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Alright so I have not been able to try bulk grows yet due to a lack of a pressure cooker. Plus my cakes always end up contaminated after harvesting the first flush, no matter how careful I am. So I can only assume with all the transferring traditional bulk grows may not be the best idea.

So here is what I'm proposing and please feel free to call me a dummy for asking this, but also explain why I'm being a dummy. Could I, if sealed properly, bake my substrate at a high enough temp and long enough to eradicate all contams in a pan shaped container and then just inoculate that? Then from there just birth as is?

I know it's not as economically effective as traditional methods, but in my head it seems better than the small single flushes I get from ten to 15 cakes at a time.

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Re: Questionable Method [Re: mercurypoisoning]
    #20254125 - 07/10/14 04:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

oven is dry heat we need moist heat


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Re: Questionable Method [Re: tripdawg420]
    #20254229 - 07/10/14 05:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I guess what I'm not understanding then is, if the substrate is prepared and moist (which I guess I never said) and then is properly sealed. Why does the applied heat need to be moist?

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Re: Questionable Method [Re: mercurypoisoning]
    #20254239 - 07/10/14 05:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

what are you trying to inoculate?  bags if sealed would have no GE and would stall.

Edited by shaymisco (07/10/14 05:25 PM)

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Re: Questionable Method [Re: mercurypoisoning]
    #20254254 - 07/10/14 05:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I guess what I'm not understanding then is, if the substrate is prepared and moist (which I guess I never said) and then is properly sealed. Why does the applied heat need to be moist?



We never seal them.....there is always GE.

If you sterilized them in an oven chances are they would be bone dry.

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Re: Questionable Method [Re: mercurypoisoning]
    #20254495 - 07/10/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The answer to these issues is most certainly not to, instead of getting a pressure cooker, use a technique which has been discouraged here for years, as you might see if you were to try punching in "oven sterilization" in the forum search tool and limit the results to the last 3 years.

But since you didn't do those things I can see why you might ask this question.

Though to be fair, you could probably skip the filter, and find that oven tek was still discouraged 12 years ago.

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Re: Questionable Method [Re: mercurypoisoning]
    #20254680 - 07/10/14 07:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My apologies for not using the search engine properly. I had not come across a topic like this in my searches though, so I figured the question was legitimate.

Thank you though for explaining the gas exchange. I had no considered that aspect of the growing process and I see now why this is a bad idea. Bummer.

Thanks again for taking a few min. to answer my silly question.

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Re: Questionable Method [Re: mercurypoisoning]
    #20254764 - 07/10/14 07:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's mostly that dry heat doesn't penetrate worth a shit when you're trying to get the middle of the substrate to the right temperature.  Same reason we can't pasteurize in there either.  A lot like how you have to thaw most large meats before you toss them in the oven, or you'll get em crispy on the outside and still frozen on the inside.  Aside from that it's just inefficient.


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Re: Questionable Method [Re: Inocuole]
    #20254779 - 07/10/14 07:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

couldn't one just use steam sterilization for BRF cakes then spawn them too bulk?


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Re: Questionable Method [Re: Mulv]
    #20254883 - 07/10/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yes, search function will help there are tons of those grows out there

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