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need to automate
    #20253417 - 07/10/14 02:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Going back to being a full time student and with work this will leave me less time to give the cakes the FAE and mistig they need. Was wondering if people knew of a good route to take for an automated humidification and Fae system that doesn't take a whole lot of space or is flexible with the amount of column it takes up. I am currently using less than  5'x 2.5'x 5' so there isn't a lot of room. The place is made for storage. I was looking at a mistking system. I have a chameleon so I've seen my fair share of misting systems and feel there isn't a whole lot better than what you can do yourself with a spray bottle. Still works wonders for me regardless. I am def open to suggestions. I have quite a bit of time before I won't be able to mist them so a small greenhouse could be pieced slowly. I also was looking at an early starters greenhouse from home depot (just a plastic casing and PVC shelf) but combined with my humidifier and a Vicks cool mist I think it might work nice. I dunno I'm still very new to the whole thing and do not want to waste my time on dinky stuff unless it gets the job done effectively and precisely.


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20253431 - 07/10/14 02:23 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Monotub(s).


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Re: need to automate [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20253443 - 07/10/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Monotub(s).



What he said :smile:
Montub = set and forget :wink:

And even if u don't want to do a monotub (on which reason whatsoever) it's enough if u mist/fan a SGFC after getting up and before going to bed, so there isn't a lot to do (but of course more is recommend)

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Re: need to automate [Re: Sagescruffy]
    #20253666 - 07/10/14 03:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Monotub(s).




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Re: need to automate [Re: Johnny Dont]
    #20255924 - 07/10/14 11:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

can I just innoc sterilized rye in quarts for spawn? Do I need a casing? And should I mix any water in or just sterilize a quart of rye?


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20255938 - 07/10/14 11:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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can I just innoc sterilized rye in quarts for spawn?



yes
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Do I need a casing?



no
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And should I mix any water in or just sterilize a quart of rye?



oh my lol,hydrate the grain load and pc, the how he does in my sig will help you


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Re: need to automate [Re: cronicr]
    #20256229 - 07/11/14 01:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you want an even more automated monotub check out my sig :smile:

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Re: need to automate [Re: Dilated]
    #20256235 - 07/11/14 01:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Which isn't showing up when I post.... can you guys see two links in my sig?  If not here you go.. Dilated's more automated monotub

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Re: need to automate [Re: Dilated]
    #20256313 - 07/11/14 01:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Which isn't showing up when I post.... can you guys see two links in my sig?  If not here you go.. Dilated's more automated monotub




I can see two links in your sig

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Re: need to automate [Re: Abshroom]
    #20256576 - 07/11/14 05:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure the SGFC is as automated as it gets. If you are still using cakes stick to the SGFC.

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Re: need to automate [Re: Sockadin]
    #20256580 - 07/11/14 05:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure the SGFC is as automated as it gets. If you are still using cakes stick to the SGFC.




I don't think so. A well built Martha with humidifier/misters on timers/RH detectors could potentially be entirely automated.

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Re: need to automate [Re: Squandary]
    #20256629 - 07/11/14 05:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure the SGFC is as automated as it gets. If you are still using cakes stick to the SGFC.




I don't think so. A well built Martha with humidifier/misters on timers/RH detectors could potentially be entirely automated.




Nope, you have to check water levels in your humidifiers and always be adjusting until you have it dialed in. Plus it is way more crap that you really don't need unless your trying to do bulk trays or edibles. Cakes generally don't do as well in a Martha. At least that is my experience. All I am saying is that the standard SGFC is the easiest thing to just set and check once in the morning each day.

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Re: need to automate [Re: Squandary]
    #20256655 - 07/11/14 05:57 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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A well built Martha with humidifier/misters on timers/RH detectors could potentially be entirely automated.



You would still have to fill the reservoirs every day....but your talking about spending some money there.

A set and forget monotub is the only truly fully automated system.

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Re: need to automate [Re: PussyFart]
    #20256676 - 07/11/14 06:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Reservoirs could easily be hooked up to a larger reservoir that could last days or weeks at a time. In fact, I was just reading a tek about that the other day, I'll see if I can find it

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Re: need to automate [Re: Squandary]
    #20256683 - 07/11/14 06:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you want to spend the money, go right ahead......I have spent $300+ on my greenhouse.....that lasted only a few months.....then I gave it to my iguana.....now it sits in my yard, useless since he grew out of it......Monotubs for bulk, or SGFCs for cakes......trust me.

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Re: need to automate [Re: PussyFart]
    #20256686 - 07/11/14 06:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Mane I didn't say I was gonna do it, just that if you wanted to fully automate with no misting or anything you could potentially do that with a martha

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Re: need to automate [Re: Squandary]
    #20256695 - 07/11/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: need to automate [Re: PussyFart]
    #20257266 - 07/11/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Monotub.......

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Re: need to automate [Re: Edmunter]
    #20258255 - 07/11/14 02:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well is seems like I should get some tubs started then. I've tried this whole cake thing once and I feel it turned out OK. Made my own prints and innoced 28 more with a self made syringe and everything. I think I already spent over 300 on trying to get all my supplies for my SGFC and because of BRF cakes not giving as much fruit as I desired, felt like I needed to tweak a few things to fine tune it. I was told rye berries will be less contaminant prone and give larger fruit because of more available nutrients for the mycelia. I already tried a few minor adjustments including adding coconut to my spawning substrate and that alone already made a huge difference.

I think with your guys' suggestions, I will grind some rye to flour and try rye cakes in my SGFC and start some rye quarts for bulk spawn as I save for some monotubs equip. I guess the biggest thing currently then is some good lighting maybe?


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20258277 - 07/11/14 02:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

U can colonise the rye grains in a 1 jar, spawn that to 3 jars of coir/verm, put that in a tray(deepis better than shallow) let that colonise then either fruit or add a casing layer, leave till 30% colonised and then fruit.  You do all this in a sgfc.  I get much better results using grains

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Re: need to automate [Re: Edmunter]
    #20258754 - 07/11/14 05:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Monotubs are pretty damn "set and forget". If you can't handle the time it takes to do this hobby, maybe you're not cut out for it. Mushrooms just don't appear out of thin air, they take some hard work on your part.

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Re: need to automate [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20260736 - 07/11/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Is grain to grain really that simple? Move colonized grain to sterile uncolonized grain?


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    #20260740 - 07/11/14 11:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yes thats the jists of it!


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20260767 - 07/12/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Eaglesgift I am fine with what I have been doing. In fact I could keep doing what I'm doing and be fine I was merely asking for a few suggestions from people who might have had similar time restraints or might have gone for an elaborate setup to find out it was useless, which is what this thread has been. Furthermore I have LOVED putting blood sweat and tears into this hobby and for you to post suggesting that I'm not cut out for it is kinda shitty.

Thanks for the suggestions guys much appreciated. G2g will be a fun side project while I get some spawn for my monos


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20260811 - 07/12/14 12:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Eaglesgift I am fine with what I have been doing. In fact I could keep doing what I'm doing and be fine I was merely asking for a few suggestions from people who might have had similar time restraints or might have gone for an elaborate setup to find out it was useless, which is what this thread has been. Furthermore I have LOVED putting blood sweat and tears into this hobby and for you to post suggesting that I'm not cut out for it is kinda shitty.

Thanks for the suggestions guys much appreciated. G2g will be a fun side project while I get some spawn for my monos




Sorry for shitting in your cookie jar. If you're cut out for it than nobody can take that away from you, not that I was trying to anyways.

Monotubs really are the way to go as far as minimal maintenance goes.

No hard feelings, wasn't my intention.

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    #20260900 - 07/12/14 12:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Monotubs really are the way to go as far as minimal maintenance goes.

No hard feelings, wasn't my intention.




Thanks that means a lot. I still feel like the little shroom that could, looking up to some big prints here at the shroomery. I never thought I'd even try but it has turned out well. A few bumps but now that I've started I really have had a lot of fun trying new things and starting other projects. It means a lot to me that you say no one can take that away, no hard feelings taken whatsoever.


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    #20260931 - 07/12/14 12:47 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20261338 - 07/12/14 02:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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TheEaglesGift said: Sorry for shitting in your cookie jar. If you're cut out for it than nobody can take that away from you, not that I was trying to anyways.

Monotubs really are the way to go as far as minimal maintenance goes.

No hard feelings, wasn't my intention.




Thanks that means a lot. I still feel like the little shroom that could, looking up to some big prints here at the shroomery. I never thought I'd even try but it has turned out well. A few bumps but now that I've started I really have had a lot of fun trying new things and starting other projects. It means a lot to me that you say no one can take that away, no hard feelings taken whatsoever.




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Re: need to automate [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20261658 - 07/12/14 06:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Just FYI Brown Rice Flour is going to have the most nutrients out of any grain. So if you are using cakes I suggest sticking with BRF instead of milling your own Rye Flour or something of that nature. If you are going with grains, Rye and Millet work really well as medium because of how much water the grains can hold and other factors I am not sure of.

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Re: need to automate [Re: Sockadin]
    #20262374 - 07/12/14 11:02 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

How contaminant prone is brf then? Would it be smart to try a sub mix of rye with some brf or wbr?


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20262380 - 07/12/14 11:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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How contaminant prone is brf then?



Uncolonized it's very contam prone......fully colonized it's just as resistant as any other substrate.

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    #20263010 - 07/12/14 01:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Would it be smart to try a sub mix of rye with some brf or wbr?




This would contaminate badly. Pasteurized coir, straw or poo are what you want for your substrates. You use grains for spawn.

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Re: need to automate [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20263192 - 07/12/14 02:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Would it be smart to try a sub mix of rye with some brf or wbr?




This would contaminate badly. Pasteurized coir, straw or poo are what you want for your substrates. You use grains for spawn.





Ahhhh.. So innoc and spawn to something full of good mycelia food and then birth to something much more resistant to everything else. Makes sense, well its interesting to me because I wasn't able to flour my rice this time along with adding coir to the spawn substrate and I believe the air pockets thanks to the whole grains have helped colonize faster along with the coir being taken over by the mycelia right away!


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20263260 - 07/12/14 02:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If youhavent spawned to bulk yet I would use pasteurised coir and verm mixed 50-50 with a handful of gypsum.  This stuff is very resistant to contamination and easy to use.  If you sterilise it it still works most of the time aswell.  Spawn to bulk ratio can be anything from 1:1 to 1:4.      Some say they get as good results from 1:4 ratio but ive not tested enough to comment yet.....anybody out there?

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    #20265715 - 07/13/14 05:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with Ed, but I like to stress the importance of not Sterilizing your Casing Mix. It is way better to pasteurize it. If you sterilize it, you kill all of the good bacteria that helps fight off molds and other harmful bacteria.

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Re: need to automate [Re: Squandary]
    #20265787 - 07/13/14 06:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Reservoirs could easily be hooked up to a larger reservoir that could last days or weeks at a time. In fact, I was just reading a tek about that the other day, I'll see if I can find it




That's easy.  However, when the solenoid sticks and floods your house while you're gone for three days, you'll wonder how much it was worth.

When someone develops an automated terrarium which will spit out contaminated cakes and bury them in the back yard, I'll admit that automation has arrived.
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    #20266379 - 07/13/14 10:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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    #20266783 - 07/13/14 12:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Reservoirs could easily be hooked up to a larger reservoir that could last days or weeks at a time. In fact, I was just reading a tek about that the other day, I'll see if I can find it




That's easy.  However, when the solenoid sticks and floods your house while you're gone for three days, you'll wonder how much it was worth.

When someone develops an automated terrarium which will spit out contaminated cakes and bury them in the back yard, I'll admit that automation has arrived.
RR




The authority has spoken, no such automation possible so let's turn this thread around.

I need something to keep my humidity up while I am gone. I was thinking of a Vicks cool mist on a timer or something economical like that. Any suggestions? I do have a humidifier but it doesn't put out a considerable amount of water vapor for what it uses. I could wrap the whole thing in a plastic tarp, would this help keep it up better than a tapestry? I felt the cloth might hold some moisture but maybe its eating it up?


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Re: need to automate [Re: PhloppyPhrktLz]
    #20266793 - 07/13/14 01:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

just take the advise given and go with a sgfc or mono tub, both are fine to leave for the day, the mono weeks lol


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Re: need to automate [Re: cronicr]
    #20268872 - 07/13/14 10:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Okie doke :smile: thanks guys! Much appreciated. I suppose if someone can fruit in a desert the drastic change over time won't do too much harm.


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