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Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub?
    #20252613 - 07/10/14 11:21 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My apologies for the lack of photos. I tried to take a picture but all you could see were the water droplets on the side of the tub. Anyway, my first mono is colonizing very aggressively (2nd one is too!) and I'm pleased.

I can see many areas where spikey white rhizo growth is sticking up, almost like tiny fans of pins. Is this normal? A good sign?


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: HigglePig]
    #20252814 - 07/10/14 11:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Open it and take pics.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20252819 - 07/10/14 12:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Open it and take pics.




I ain't opening it.

It does look like a lot of pics of colonizing monos. I think it's a good sign.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: HigglePig]
    #20252833 - 07/10/14 12:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So then what was the point of this thread?

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Squandary]
    #20252837 - 07/10/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Wanted to hear if it was normal from more experienced people.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Squandary]
    #20252843 - 07/10/14 12:06 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yeah pics is your only option for a definirive answer but if the growth is thick and fanning out  at the tips try snap a tip off, if it snaps off its bacteria, other then that it can be normal for them to go a little aerial


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20252871 - 07/10/14 12:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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yeah pics is your only option for a definirive answer but if the growth is thick and fanning out  at the tips try snap a tip off, if it snaps off its bacteria, other then that it can be normal for them to go a little aerial




Thanks for the tip. I don't really want to open it for fear if contams so Ill just keep an eye on it. Thanks!


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20252878 - 07/10/14 12:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Opening it to take pics is fine dude!

Your substrate is NOT sterile any more so opening the lids (for a short period of time) will not cause harm to the colonization process.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20252887 - 07/10/14 12:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

We really can't help you fully without pics...don't be a scared and open it up!! Hahaha


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20258225 - 07/11/14 02:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Opening it won't cause contams. It's already full of spores from the air when you spawned it. Take some pics.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20258229 - 07/11/14 02:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: HigglePig]
    #20258364 - 07/11/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Lookin good bro!!

No problems in there. That spikey growth means good genetics and conditions.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20258391 - 07/11/14 03:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Lookin good bro!!

No problems in there. That spikey growth means good genetics and conditions.




Thanks for the feedback! I'm just getting started and I really tried my best. I'm not so good at doing tangible, manual things so I'm glad to have your stamp of approval. I just got my first fruits from the tiny jar project I have going to tide me over until this is done, it feels so great to work on something and have it pay off.

I'm really enjoying the process of this hobby. The results should be good but I am pleasantly surprised at how much I'm enjoying the work of it. That's a good sign I think. I've got so much to learn, but this community is a great resource an it's nice to see so many people moving along the same path.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: HigglePig]
    #20258465 - 07/11/14 03:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well thanks for your appreciation!!

There are many TC's (trusted cultivators) as well as what I call Elder Members of the shroomery who are absolutely amazing when it comes to answering questions, Teks, and general cultivation! They are all (okay not all) very kind and helpful, sarcastic, and playful, saints and sinners, trippers and tripees, who love to help out. If you can't ind the info in the treads an forums then feel free to ask any question you wish. This shits crackin' 24/7!!

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20258544 - 07/11/14 03:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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That spikey growth can mean good genetics and/or conditions.  It can also sometimes have no bearing whatsoever on how it progresses into fruiting.




At it again today I see.  Fixed for you.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole]
    #20258673 - 07/11/14 04:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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That spikey growth can mean good genetics and/or conditions.  It can also sometimes have no bearing whatsoever on how it progresses into fruiting.




At it again today I see.  Fixed for you.




Oh! 10/4 Inocuole! Thanks.

I suppose I was referring to the picture he have us though. I should have said SO FAR everything looks good lol. You can half agree though that bad genetics can make for some shitty colonization! He has (from what I can see) very clean, white, beautiful colonizing going on.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole]
    #20258678 - 07/11/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think opening a colonizing monotub is a good idea, and here is why:

The point of introducing contamination was brought up, and it is true that a monotub is far from sterile. Contamination is not the issue though. Colonizing substrates creates co2, which builds up over the colonization period. When it is time to fruit your tub, you will lift the lid and give a good blast of fresh o2, introduce 6500k lighting, and replace your taped holes with polyfil.

The influx of fresh o2 is a pinning trigger that one should take advantage of for a strong first flush.

I learned about building up co2 from TranscendingLife in this Tek. . I've put it into practice with noticeable results.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20258705 - 07/11/14 04:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think opening a colonizing monotub is a good idea, and here is why:

The point of introducing contamination was brought up, and it is true that a monotub is far from sterile. Contamination is not the issue though. Colonizing substrates creates co2, which builds up over the colonization period. When it is time to fruit your tub, you will lift the lid and give a good blast of fresh o2, introduce 6500k lighting, and replace your taped holes with polyfil.

The influx of fresh o2 is a pinning trigger that one should take advantage of for a strong first flush.

I learned about building up co2 from TranscendingLife in this Tek. . I've put it into practice with noticeable results.




We can all agree to that, Eagle!

On occasion though, at least IME, there comes a time when you need to crack it open to take a pic, or carefully check for colonization rates or contams, or when you just get antsy and need to chek out some porn (of the mycelial type).

...and there's nothing wrong with that :shrug:

All in all, if your holes are taped shut, then plenty of CO2 will build up (even with sufficient GE) because of the colonizing, metabolizing, and thriving mycelium and the amount of it in a Monotub.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20258788 - 07/11/14 05:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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We can all agree to that, Eagle!

On occasion though, at least IME, there comes a time when you need to crack it open to take a pic, or carefully check for colonization rates or contams, or when you just get antsy and need to chek out some porn (of the mycelial type).

...and there's nothing wrong with that :shrug:

All in all, if your holes are taped shut, then plenty of CO2 will build up (even with sufficient GE) because of the colonizing, metabolizing, and thriving mycelium and the amount of it in a Monotub.






It's detrimental to your tub to open it before it's fully colonized, so there is something wrong with it. Patience goes a long way in this hobby.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20258861 - 07/11/14 05:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You guys have to stop this.

Please.

Opening your tub real quick to take a picture is NOT going to trigger pinning considering the CO2 levels will rise back up to normal within less than an hour of replacing the lid.  That is simply not long enough to tell the mycelium to stop what it's doing and fruit.

The tub DOES look fine and I don't suspect him having opened it is going to be what fucks this up for him either.  If there are contaminant spores in the air opening it for a minute isn't what's going to give them their golden chance, they're already in there.


I have tubs with SUPER loose lids that honestly may as well be off and my tubs still don't pin before full colonization.  You know why?

The number one pinning trigger ISN'T fresh air, it's full colonization, followed by evaporation of moisture from the surface of the substrate.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole] * 1
    #20258873 - 07/11/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The number one pinning trigger ISN'T fresh air, it's full colonization, followed by evaporation of moisture from the surface of the substrate.




But you can only have evaporation with fresh air....lol

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PussyFart]
    #20258922 - 07/11/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I haven't personally had issues with it, though it's a practice I tend to stay away from out of patience and the fact that I can see through my lids.

I've seen more than one TC suggest it's a non-issue as well, though I take it you are on the other side of that argument?

This poor guy, just trying to figure out if his tub looks alright (which it does), and people have at it in here.  I guess that happens in every thread.  Just don't leave the lid off for more than 15-20 seconds and you should be good, OP.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: Inocuole]
    #20259061 - 07/11/14 06:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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This poor guy, just trying to figure out if his tub looks alright (which it does), and people have at it in here.  I guess that happens in every thread.  Just don't leave the lid off for more than 15-20 seconds and you should be good, OP.




Not poor guy. He got his question answered and then some. This is how you learn more than what you can think to ask.

Taking the lid off for a minute won't start your pinning. As was said, full colonization is the #1 pinning trigger, followed by evaporation of the substrate. I've never seen a substrate pin because of only one single pinning factor being introduced though. You need at least full colonization (even if that means it hit a contam) and one of the other pinning triggers, be it FAE/evaporation or light.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #20259120 - 07/11/14 06:31 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Heh. I was super reluctant to open my lid, and I can assure you it wasn't even off for ten seconds. I won't open it again regardless, as I want to run my mono like a mono. This is all good stuff in the discussion. Passionate reasonable people are people who care. That's a goid discussion.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: HigglePig]
    #20259187 - 07/11/14 06:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:lol: this thread...:laugh2:, good luck op!


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20259696 - 07/11/14 08:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Do people no read my posts lol


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20259746 - 07/11/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Do people no read my posts lol



:lol: i did and agree, the whole co2 thing just ain't right lol, thats something we tke advantage of as by nature they dont' get that luxury


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20259757 - 07/11/14 08:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah no arguments there.  Well I guess there are in fact arguments but not from me toward you at this moment.  I just wanted to touch on the rhizomorph thing you said, the lid peeking thing is another matter entirely.


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20259764 - 07/11/14 08:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Do people no read my posts lol



:lol: i did and agree, the whole co2 thing just ain't right lol, thats something we tke advantage of as by nature they dont' get that luxury




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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20260478 - 07/11/14 10:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Opening your tub real quick to take a picture is NOT going to trigger pinning considering the CO2 levels will rise back up to normal within less than an hour of replacing the lid.




You know this how? You've tested the co2 levels?

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The number one pinning trigger ISN'T fresh air, it's full colonization




Where did I say that the number one pinning trigger was fresh air? I never said that once or insinuated it either.

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Also TranscendingLife is a cool dude and he has solid methods but the Shroomery is still growing, pushing the limits, and dispelling the myths that made us do so much unnecessary shit in yesteryear.




What myths from TL's tek have been dispelled? How were they dispelled exactly?

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20260519 - 07/11/14 10:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yes the co2 levels has been tested and yes it takes a few minutes to get back up there, as i said by nature they dont' get the luxury of high co2 levels, we use those high co2 levels to stop the mycelium from completely digesting the sub all we want is it to colonize it so it can devour it during fruiting which is why you se the sub pull away from the walls durinf fruiting


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20260528 - 07/11/14 10:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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yes the co2 levels has been tested and yes it takes a few minutes to get back up there, as i said by nature they dont' get the luxury of high co2 levels, we use those high co2 levels to stop the mycelium from completely digesting the sub all we want is it to colonize it so it can devour it during fruiting which is why you se the sub pull away from the walls durinf fruiting




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    #20260702 - 07/11/14 11:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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yes the co2 levels has been tested and yes it takes a few minutes to get back up there, as i said by nature they dont' get the luxury of high co2 levels, we use those high co2 levels to stop the mycelium from completely digesting the sub all we want is it to colonize it so it can devour it during fruiting which is why you se the sub pull away from the walls durinf fruiting




I was always under the impression that the sub shrunk during fruiting due to moisture loss, due to evaporation and the fruit bodies being 90 percent water.

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20260720 - 07/11/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

no thats the mycelium eating the substrate, you can dunk a sub it won't get back to the same size


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    #20260756 - 07/12/14 12:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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no thats the mycelium eating the substrate, you can dunk a sub it won't get back to the same size




Where does the eaten substrate go exactly? Does it disappear?

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    #20260762 - 07/12/14 12:06 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

it's metabolized:thumbup:


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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: cronicr]
    #20260779 - 07/12/14 12:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Into what?

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20260851 - 07/12/14 12:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Broken down into simple carbs and sugar chains likely.

OP, I've opened a few tubs to take a peek or pic, had someone knock on the door or phone ring and I left the tops off for an hour or so.

Once I remembered about it I put the top back on after a quick spritz and they finished colonizing just fine.

While I obviously wouldn't recommend this, leaving your top off for 5 mins will cause you no harm.

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    #20260960 - 07/12/14 12:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Why not let the tub pull away from the sides before inducing fruiting conditions? I have noticed that fruiting just after 100% colonization, it still doesn't pin until it pulls away. Wouldn't that ensure enough food has been processed into energy to produce a better first flush? Basically with minimum gas exchange your forcing your hand at it's biological clock to fruit before it dies, is this correct with limited O2 and a build up of CO2(basically choking it) I know consolidation is not needed for a monotub but wouldn't waiting an extra week to fruit be beneficial? I like to think of it as a drama ( 1)conflict or build up of tension 2) the climax and 3) the resolution. It's like a build up of energy waiting to be released. The longer you wait (up to a point, maybe near suffocation) would give you a better first flush. Feel free to criticize me all you want, lol, I'm still a noob and have alot left to learn.

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    #20261023 - 07/12/14 01:07 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Considering mycelium can go into literal stasis in the absence of oxygen or even moisture, I'd have to say that you're not choking the mycelium by encouraging co2 build up.

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    #20261036 - 07/12/14 01:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Broken down into simple carbs and sugar chains likely.




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    #20261047 - 07/12/14 01:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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    #20261066 - 07/12/14 01:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Considering mycelium can go into literal stasis in the absence of oxygen or even moisture, I'd have to say that you're not choking the mycelium by encouraging co2 build up.




Okay maybe I went a little overboard with the choking thing. Lol. Wouldn't stasis be counter productive? Like i said push the envelope to a point. If the sub starts pinning, obviously it's more than ready to induce fruiting conditions.

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    #20261123 - 07/12/14 01:28 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

high co2 won't choke the mycelium out, completely cutting off ge will though,
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Why not let the tub pull away from the sides before inducing fruiting conditions? I have noticed that fruiting just after 100% colonization, it still doesn't pin until it pulls away. Wouldn't that ensure enough food has been processed into energy to produce a better first flush? Basically with minimum gas exchange your forcing your hand at it's biological clock to fruit before it dies, is this correct with limited O2 and a build up of CO2(basically choking it) I know consolidation is not needed for a monotub but wouldn't waiting an extra week to fruit be beneficial? I like to think of it as a drama ( 1)conflict or build up of tension 2) the climax and 3) the resolution. It's like a build up of energy waiting to be released. The longer you wait (up to a point, maybe near suffocation) would give you a better first flush. Feel free to criticize me all you want, lol, I'm still a noob and have alot left to learn.



you get alot more aborts going that route, 3 days would be the most you should consolidate bulk, you will get better pinsets and faster pinsets giving it the proper consitions at 100% colonization


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    #20261246 - 07/12/14 02:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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high co2 won't choke the mycelium out, completely cutting off ge will though,
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Why not let the tub pull away from the sides before inducing fruiting conditions? I have noticed that fruiting just after 100% colonization, it still doesn't pin until it pulls away. Wouldn't that ensure enough food has been processed into energy to produce a better first flush? Basically with minimum gas exchange your forcing your hand at it's biological clock to fruit before it dies, is this correct with limited O2 and a build up of CO2(basically choking it) I know consolidation is not needed for a monotub but wouldn't waiting an extra week to fruit be beneficial? I like to think of it as a drama ( 1)conflict or build up of tension 2) the climax and 3) the resolution. It's like a build up of energy waiting to be released. The longer you wait (up to a point, maybe near suffocation) would give you a better first flush. Feel free to criticize me all you want, lol, I'm still a noob and have alot left to learn.



you get alot more aborts going that route, 3 days would be the most you should consolidate bulk, you will get better pinsets and faster pinsets giving it the proper consitions at 100% colonization




hypothetically speaking, if you let it consolidate until the first pin and then induced fruiting, what would cause more than just that one pin from aborting?

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Re: Spiky rhizo growth in colonizing monotub? [Re: insanemike]
    #20261278 - 07/12/14 02:24 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

well thats pretty hypothetical because if ya see one there should be an army knotted up as well:lol: but it's just an observation i've made after it was first pointed out to me by frank i think it was,consolidation is for nutrient rich substrates in order for the mycelium to digest it enough for proper frutiing, it has no problem doing this as it colonizes with bulk substrates and i've found you will get to pins faster by giving it the conditions needed to pin(pinning triggers)
i see some people struggle and have there tubs in fruiting for more then a week with no signs of knotting or anything and can attribute that to not mixing there spawn evenly enough, i'll have pics coming up pretty soon showing this as what i seen was a 4 day difference in colonizing times and when put into fruiting but thats another story in general


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    #20261297 - 07/12/14 02:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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well thats pretty hypothetical because if ya see one there should be an army knotted up as well:lol: but it's just an observation i've made after it was first pointed out to me by frank i think it was,consolidation is for nutrient rich substrates in order for the mycelium to digest it enough for proper frutiing, it has no problem doing this as it colonizes with bulk substrates and i've found you will get to pins faster by giving it the conditions needed to pin(pinning triggers)
i see some people struggle and have there tubs in fruiting for more then a week with no signs of knotting or anything and can attribute that to not mixing there spawn evenly enough, i'll have pics coming up pretty soon showing this as what i seen was a 4 day difference in colonizing times and when put into fruiting but thats another story in general




Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience with me. One last question if you don't mind. What would you consider 100% colonization? When the surface layer is completely colonized or when it begins to pull away from the tub?

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    #20261303 - 07/12/14 02:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

when the surface has colonized, it won't pullaway until you give it fae and it starts to devour the sub


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    #20261313 - 07/12/14 02:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Wouldn't stasis be counter productive




Yes, but you won't achieve stasis in your tub regardless(woot woot) of what you do to it. Mycelium would not go into stasis in the monotub setting. Not from simply cutting off ge or high levels of co2, or anything like that. An example of mycelium that has entered stasis would be when you dry your fruits. They are technically still alive. Not many people know that, and it's very cool.

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    #20261320 - 07/12/14 02:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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    #20261343 - 07/12/14 02:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know if dried fruits are the best example of mycelium in stasis.  Wouldn't a refrigerated culture slant be a more relevant choice in comparison, in terms of... say.. resumability, if that were a word?

A dried fruit being alive is cool, (and also sort of creepy) but if you could just take a dried mushroom and start growing with it as an inoculant this hobby would be a hell of a lot easier.

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But mushrooms are 90 percent water!




Yeah but they're still pumping out super strong stalks comprised of several grams of pure dried material a piece.  That's impressive for a dessicated natural structure considering the time frame they're produced within.  The fact that the energy required to do all that even exists in grains and coir and can be utilized for up to 6-7 flushes in many cases is downright astounding, but I've sure as day seen mycelium dissolve separate grains all into a single mush of indistinguishable consistency without producing any mushrooms at all, so obviously just existing and fighting off contaminants takes its toll and requires the consumption of the substrate, albeit a bit slower than when fruiting.


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    #20261351 - 07/12/14 02:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

A dried fruit is a perfect example of stasis. A specimens ability to be used as a inoculant holds no bearing on whether or not the specimen would be considered to be in stasis. Stasis has nothing to do with it's ability to be used as an inoculant. Although, growth CAN be achieved from dried fruits.

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    #20261363 - 07/12/14 03:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not arguing that it does.  But when the term stasis is being used to descrbe a state the mycelium is in that is in most regards, still recoverable, the dried fruit bit seems a bit like a spillover textbook tidbit that wanted to work its way in.

I typically don't think of something as in stasis if the only place it has to go from where it is is to die completely.  I get that it technically is but, it's kind of irrelevant on the topic of monotubs.

It really doesn't matter, it's a cool piece of information, and maybe you were just trying to illustrate that stasis was the wrong word to use in the first place.  All I'm saying is the casual meaning that a lot of people will use for it is going to lean more toward the culture slant idea, and that's more relevant to what will happen when you cut off GE in a monotub.


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    #20261368 - 07/12/14 03:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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when the surface has colonized, it won't pullaway until you give it fae and it starts to devour the sub




I have a tub right now in colonization mode(minimum GE). Today makes it 8 days from spawning and 3 days from 100% visible colonization (top, sides and bottom).Two days ago it began to pull away on one of the long sides and part of both short sides touching that long side. I was going to wait until day 12 to introduce fruiting since that is how long it took the last tub to pin. Instead I will take your advice and fruit as soon as I get home. Thank you.

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    #20261376 - 07/12/14 03:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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    #20261767 - 07/12/14 07:02 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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no thats the mycelium eating the substrate, you can dunk a sub it won't get back to the same size




Where does the eaten substrate go exactly? Does it disappear?





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