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Kryptic
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Bangged them against a leather bound book wrapped with a hand towel. All the myc broke away from the jar for sure but it didnt really all break up, most did but there were a few big chunks.
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
#20251309 - 07/10/14 02:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm sure it'll be fine. I've never had this issue you're describing, even with jars that sat colonized and consolidated for over 2 months.
Did you rinse your grains well when you prepped them?
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cronicr



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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
#20251332 - 07/10/14 03:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kryptic said: Bangged them against a leather bound book wrapped with a hand towel. All the myc broke away from the jar for sure but it didnt really all break up, most did but there were a few big chunks.
cube spawn should break up fairly easy, bacteria can be like breaking bricks though
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TheEaglesGift
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: cronicr]
#20251364 - 07/10/14 03:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You'd think he'd visually notice a bacterial infection though, but maybe not. Do you have any pictures?
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cronicr



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TheEaglesGift said: You'd think he'd visually notice a bacterial infection though, but maybe not. Do you have any pictures?
you would be surprised lol
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spacechildo
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: cronicr]
#20251874 - 07/10/14 07:56 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said:
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Kryptic said: Bangged them against a leather bound book wrapped with a hand towel. All the myc broke away from the jar for sure but it didnt really all break up, most did but there were a few big chunks.
cube spawn should break up fairly easy, bacteria can be like breaking bricks though
this. small pieces of bacteria usually still lets a tub have some decent flushes. clean healthy grain break up even without hitting the jar on anything, just shake it in your palm..
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Kryptic
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No signs of infection, at least none I'm familiar with, pure white, no wet or slimey looking spots. I guess I'll know more in a couple days.
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Kryptic
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spacechildo said: this. small pieces of bacteria usually still lets a tub have some decent flushes. clean healthy grain break up even without hitting the jar on anything, just shake it in your palm..
?? Fully colonized spawn does not require banging?? To be sure we're talking about the same thing, All my uncolonized grain shook very easy, no banging required at all. It was the colonized bit that would break away from the jars and stayed in clumps. I'll post more pics in a couple days.
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Dilated
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
#20252261 - 07/10/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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This post was hard to read through. :cringe:
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Edmunter
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Dilated]
#20252841 - 07/10/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dilated said: This post was hard to read through. :cringe:
Waste of ink.
Dont worry about waiting a few days when your first jar is fully colonised.
When done just dunk and spawn.........
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TheApprentice
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
#20252968 - 07/10/14 12:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Op
I have a phone book I dedicate for grain jars.
Got sick of ruining my good books
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PussyFart
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I have a boot I dedicate to grain jars......haven't seen the other one in at least a year lol.
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT!
A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD,
SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List,
EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE
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Dilated
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
#20253012 - 07/10/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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No it's a waste that no one give this poor person some good information. Some myc is very durable and it takes a very good "whack" to break up the grain/rye/oats etc.. QT jar's are not PF jars which you have to wait to fully colonize. The great thing about grain (I speak about grain because it is what I work with) is that it can be broke up at roughly 30% so that it can spread it's seed around the jar so that it can spread from there and colonize evenly. You can also break it up near the end of it's colonization to make sure that you have clean spawn. Another great thing about breaking up your spawn is that you can generally get a good "wiff" of clean mushroomy smell coming through your filter.
1. Inoculate (don't shake, as previously stated, so that the spores have a group to germinate with).
2. Wait, once the myc is starting to spread wait until roughly 25-30% colonization has occured then SHAKE vigorously (if it's being stubborn give it a good clean whack against the carpet or a tire as RR uses). This will spread the myc evenly and allow for a nice even spreading of the myc to occur.
3. Once you get to about 80-90% check and see if it looks nice and even.. if you still have some spots that look like it could take a long time break it up again. (you can get away with breaking up your grains 3 even 4 times, I don't recommend anymore then that as it could weaken your myc.)
4. at 100% you are either going G2G (grain 2 grain) with your spawn or you are spawning it to a bulk substrate. Either way it will need to broken up again so that it can be poured out of your jar. When I'm going G2G I break it up and try to catch a wiff THROUGH the filter. I get it into the SAB and do my G2G job (I'm not going to go step to step on this because there are plenty of tek's on here for this method). After I am done G2G I give the jar a good wiff because it is open to make sure the jar smelled like fresh mush (when using cubensis) to make sure it was clean.. if it smells funny it all gets thrown out (never happened yet). If you are spawning to bulk, if it took more then a week to get to 100% colonization I dunk my grains. This means breaking up all my spawn in the jars and then opening them and giving them a good wiff. If they smell good I pour them into a bucket and soak them with tap water for 20 minutes. This use to be a scary process but I stand by it and if your spawn is at 100% you will not have to worry about contamination. BREAKING UP YOUR SPAWN IS WHAT MAKES GRAIN/RYE/OATS ETC GREAT! hope this cleared some things up.
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spacechildo
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
#20253506 - 07/10/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kryptic said:
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spacechildo said: this. small pieces of bacteria usually still lets a tub have some decent flushes. clean healthy grain break up even without hitting the jar on anything, just shake it in your palm..
?? Fully colonized spawn does not require banging?? To be sure we're talking about the same thing, All my uncolonized grain shook very easy, no banging required at all. It was the colonized bit that would break away from the jars and stayed in clumps. I'll post more pics in a couple days.
colonized grains, yes. the "banging" against the glass in the jar is usually enough for me, even though a book or boot is easier.
when colonized grain stick together in clumps and don't break up easily to single kernels its usually because of bacteria.
If its just some small clumps its usually fine, it wont ruin your grow, but too much and it will weaken the myc to contams.
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Edmunter
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Dilated]
#20256421 - 07/11/14 03:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dilated said: No it's a waste that no one give this poor person some good information. Some myc is very durable and it takes a very good "whack" to break up the grain/rye/oats etc.. QT jar's are not PF jars which you have to wait to fully colonize. The great thing about grain (I speak about grain because it is what I work with) is that it can be broke up at roughly 30% so that it can spread it's seed around the jar so that it can spread from there and colonize evenly. You can also break it up near the end of it's colonization to make sure that you have clean spawn. Another great thing about breaking up your spawn is that you can generally get a good "wiff" of clean mushroomy smell coming through your filter.
1. Inoculate (don't shake, as previously stated, so that the spores have a group to germinate with).
2. Wait, once the myc is starting to spread wait until roughly 25-30% colonization has occured then SHAKE vigorously (if it's being stubborn give it a good clean whack against the carpet or a tire as RR uses). This will spread the myc evenly and allow for a nice even spreading of the myc to occur.
3. Once you get to about 80-90% check and see if it looks nice and even.. if you still have some spots that look like it could take a long time break it up again. (you can get away with breaking up your grains 3 even 4 times, I don't recommend anymore then that as it could weaken your myc.)
4. at 100% you are either going G2G (grain 2 grain) with your spawn or you are spawning it to a bulk substrate. Either way it will need to broken up again so that it can be poured out of your jar. When I'm going G2G I break it up and try to catch a wiff THROUGH the filter. I get it into the SAB and do my G2G job (I'm not going to go step to step on this because there are plenty of tek's on here for this method). After I am done G2G I give the jar a good wiff because it is open to make sure the jar smelled like fresh mush (when using cubensis) to make sure it was clean.. if it smells funny it all gets thrown out (never happened yet). If you are spawning to bulk, if it took more then a week to get to 100% colonization I dunk my grains. This means breaking up all my spawn in the jars and then opening them and giving them a good wiff. If they smell good I pour them into a bucket and soak them with tap water for 20 minutes. This use to be a scary process but I stand by it and if your spawn is at 100% you will not have to worry about contamination. BREAKING UP YOUR SPAWN IS WHAT MAKES GRAIN/RYE/OATS ETC GREAT! hope this cleared some things up.
This was all said in the first 10 posts.
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Dilated
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
#20256567 - 07/11/14 05:16 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Edmunter said:
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Dilated said: No it's a waste that no one give this poor person some good information. Some myc is very durable and it takes a very good "whack" to break up the grain/rye/oats etc.. QT jar's are not PF jars which you have to wait to fully colonize. The great thing about grain (I speak about grain because it is what I work with) is that it can be broke up at roughly 30% so that it can spread it's seed around the jar so that it can spread from there and colonize evenly. You can also break it up near the end of it's colonization to make sure that you have clean spawn. Another great thing about breaking up your spawn is that you can generally get a good "wiff" of clean mushroomy smell coming through your filter.
1. Inoculate (don't shake, as previously stated, so that the spores have a group to germinate with).
2. Wait, once the myc is starting to spread wait until roughly 25-30% colonization has occured then SHAKE vigorously (if it's being stubborn give it a good clean whack against the carpet or a tire as RR uses). This will spread the myc evenly and allow for a nice even spreading of the myc to occur.
3. Once you get to about 80-90% check and see if it looks nice and even.. if you still have some spots that look like it could take a long time break it up again. (you can get away with breaking up your grains 3 even 4 times, I don't recommend anymore then that as it could weaken your myc.)
4. at 100% you are either going G2G (grain 2 grain) with your spawn or you are spawning it to a bulk substrate. Either way it will need to broken up again so that it can be poured out of your jar. When I'm going G2G I break it up and try to catch a wiff THROUGH the filter. I get it into the SAB and do my G2G job (I'm not going to go step to step on this because there are plenty of tek's on here for this method). After I am done G2G I give the jar a good wiff because it is open to make sure the jar smelled like fresh mush (when using cubensis) to make sure it was clean.. if it smells funny it all gets thrown out (never happened yet). If you are spawning to bulk, if it took more then a week to get to 100% colonization I dunk my grains. This means breaking up all my spawn in the jars and then opening them and giving them a good wiff. If they smell good I pour them into a bucket and soak them with tap water for 20 minutes. This use to be a scary process but I stand by it and if your spawn is at 100% you will not have to worry about contamination. BREAKING UP YOUR SPAWN IS WHAT MAKES GRAIN/RYE/OATS ETC GREAT! hope this cleared some things up.
This was all said in the first 10 posts.
Well I'm going to assume that you can't read then so I will not be having a discussion with you anymore. Only the first 2 steps were mentioned in any of the first 10 posts.
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Edmunter
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Dilated]
#20256579 - 07/11/14 05:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are too serious for me brother with your 'OMG I dont believe you people' vibes........ Chill out and spread some positiveness man. I mean you dissed 4 people who give the best advice on this forum.
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Sockadin



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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
#20256648 - 07/11/14 05:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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So are we shaking?
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TheApprentice
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Sockadin]
#20256702 - 07/11/14 06:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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shake it like a crying baby!!!
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RR Videos -Best $9 Ever Spent *
No Pour AGAR Tek * Easy COIR Trays! *
Pink Oysters on Newspaper TEK
"Yeah? Well, DRACULA called... and he said he's coming over tonight, and I said OK!"
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Sockadin



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Every time apprentice posts something I have to read it in master shakes voice.
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