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To shake or not??
    #20249470 - 07/09/14 06:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Jars of bulk substrate.  I've read tons of conflicting info through the years, some say shake at 20-30% colonization, I just read something that said to only shake jars once at inoculation and then never shake again .  What seems to be the most current opinion?  What do you guys do?  Do you shake after jar has started colonizing?


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20249490 - 07/09/14 06:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to know what the community thinks on this topic too.

I've been breaking up my grain bags at about 30 and then again at 70. Not with every bag, but as an experiment. It seems to help.

I just got my first master grain jar today and put some Treasure Coast in it. I didn't shake it at all yet. Yet another experiment.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: HigglePig]
    #20249498 - 07/09/14 06:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Shake bulk spawn, helps faster colonization

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Shroomteck]
    #20249566 - 07/09/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:picdidnthappen:
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Shroomteck]
    #20249573 - 07/09/14 07:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Shake at 25-30%. Spreading out colonized grains helps speed up colonization time.

Some people shake questionable jars again at 90% or so to see if they recover. Jars that don't recover are often tossed because it's a good sign of contamination.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20249578 - 07/09/14 07:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Jars of bulk substrate.  I've read tons of conflicting info through the years, some say shake at 20-30% colonization, I just read something that said to only shake jars once at inoculation and then never shake again .  What seems to be the most current opinion?  What do you guys do?  Do you shake after jar has started colonizing?




You shouldnt shake right after inoc , you'd want the spores to stay together and find each other when they germinate.
Shaking at 20-30% to redistribute the colonized grains is genious!
Once the start recovering the jars are done in just a couple days or 4.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20249581 - 07/09/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

( i just like to see pics )


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20249590 - 07/09/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Shroomteck]
    #20249692 - 07/09/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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no rating for u bitch!

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20249697 - 07/09/14 07:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Here's some pics, my photo skills suck sorry.  These are 3 of the 6 jars I have going.  The 1st one is a beast.







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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20249729 - 07/09/14 07:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Looks great, I'd shake 'em all like hell! :super:

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20249757 - 07/09/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Looks great, I'd shake 'em all like hell! :super:




ya!!!

Shake em like my avatar!!!!:ohboyohboyohboy:


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20249759 - 07/09/14 07:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe I'll shake then.  I have 1 of 6 at about 85%.  The others are prob near 30's.  I kind of wanted them all ready at the same time.  I guess living organisms do their own thing  lol.  Anyway, maybe I should shake the other 5, I probably would have already but I just read something that said "no matter what you've read, don't shake the jars.".


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20249767 - 07/09/14 07:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

so can I get a rate since I came with the pics? lol

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20249772 - 07/09/14 07:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

if you shake them they'll end up finishing pretty damn close to each other.
At least much more simultaneously than if you didn't shake them (like master shake)
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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20249777 - 07/09/14 07:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

word.  I'll shake tonight.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20249786 - 07/09/14 07:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Good on yah

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Shroomteck]
    #20249944 - 07/09/14 07:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

shake at 30.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20250596 - 07/09/14 10:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

ok, I shook the shit out of them.  I was able to get all the myc broken away from the jars, in a couple there are pretty large chunks of grain that didn't break up just kind of bounced around in there, I don't see any way I could have gotten them broken up any more.  Let's see what they do now. <fingers crossed>


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20250610 - 07/09/14 10:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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ok, I shook the shit out of them.  I was able to get all the myc broken away from the jars, in a couple there are pretty large chunks of grain that didn't break up just kind of bounced around in there, I don't see any way I could have gotten them broken up any more.  Let's see what they do now. <fingers crossed>





How did you shake it up? You can bang your jars against an old bike tire or rolled up phone book. That gets the job done.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20250657 - 07/09/14 10:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Bangged them against a leather bound book wrapped with a hand towel.  All the myc broke away from the jar for sure but it didnt really all break up, most did but there were a few big chunks.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20251309 - 07/10/14 02:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure it'll be fine. I've never had this issue you're describing, even with jars that sat colonized and consolidated for over 2 months.

Did you rinse your grains well when you prepped them?

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20251332 - 07/10/14 03:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Bangged them against a leather bound book wrapped with a hand towel.  All the myc broke away from the jar for sure but it didnt really all break up, most did but there were a few big chunks.



cube spawn should break up fairly easy, bacteria can be like breaking bricks though


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: cronicr]
    #20251364 - 07/10/14 03:31 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You'd think he'd visually notice a bacterial infection though, but maybe not. Do you have any pictures?

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20251366 - 07/10/14 03:33 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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You'd think he'd visually notice a bacterial infection though, but maybe not. Do you have any pictures?



you would be surprised lol


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: cronicr]
    #20251874 - 07/10/14 07:56 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Bangged them against a leather bound book wrapped with a hand towel.  All the myc broke away from the jar for sure but it didnt really all break up, most did but there were a few big chunks.



cube spawn should break up fairly easy, bacteria can be like breaking bricks though




this. small pieces of bacteria usually still lets a tub have some decent flushes.
clean healthy grain break up even without hitting the jar on anything, just shake it in your palm..

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20252214 - 07/10/14 10:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No signs of infection, at least none I'm familiar with, pure white, no wet or slimey looking spots.  I guess I'll know more in a couple days.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20252260 - 07/10/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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this. small pieces of bacteria usually still lets a tub have some decent flushes.
clean healthy grain break up even without hitting the jar on anything, just shake it in your palm..




??  Fully colonized spawn does not require banging??  To be sure we're talking about the same thing,  All my uncolonized grain shook very easy, no banging required at all.  It was the colonized bit that would break away from the jars and stayed in clumps.  I'll post more pics in a couple days.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20252261 - 07/10/14 10:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

This post was hard to read through. :cringe:

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Dilated]
    #20252841 - 07/10/14 12:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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This post was hard to read through. :cringe:




Waste of ink.


Dont worry about waiting a few days when your first jar is fully colonised. 

When done just dunk and spawn.........

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20252968 - 07/10/14 12:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Op

I have a phone book I dedicate for grain jars.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20252985 - 07/10/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I have a boot I dedicate to grain jars......haven't seen the other one in at least a year lol.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20253012 - 07/10/14 12:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No it's a waste that no one give this poor person some good information.  Some myc is very durable and it takes a very good "whack" to break up the grain/rye/oats etc.. QT jar's are not PF jars which you have to wait to fully colonize.  The great thing about grain (I speak about grain because it is what I work with) is that it can be broke up at roughly 30% so that it can spread it's seed around the jar so that it can spread from there and colonize evenly.  You can also break it up near the end of it's colonization to make sure that you have clean spawn.  Another great thing about breaking up your spawn is that you can generally get a good "wiff" of clean mushroomy smell coming through your filter. 

1. Inoculate (don't shake, as previously stated, so that the spores have a group to germinate with).

2. Wait, once the myc is starting to spread wait until roughly 25-30% colonization has occured then SHAKE vigorously (if it's being stubborn give it a good clean whack against the carpet or a tire as RR uses).  This will spread the myc evenly and allow for a nice even spreading of the myc to occur.

3.  Once you get to about 80-90% check and see if it looks nice and even.. if you still have some spots that look like it could take a long time break it up again.  (you can get away with breaking up your grains 3 even 4 times, I don't recommend anymore then that as it could weaken your myc.)

4. at 100% you are either going G2G (grain 2 grain) with your spawn or you are spawning it to a bulk substrate.  Either way it will need to broken up again so that it can be poured out of your jar.  When I'm going G2G I break it up and try to catch a wiff THROUGH the filter.  I get it into the SAB and do my G2G job (I'm not going to go step to step on this because there are plenty of tek's on here for this method).  After I am done G2G I give the jar a good wiff because it is open to make sure the jar smelled like fresh mush (when using cubensis) to make sure it was clean.. if it smells funny it all gets thrown out (never happened yet).  If you are spawning to bulk, if it took more then a week to get to 100% colonization I dunk my grains.  This means breaking up all my spawn in the jars and then opening them and giving them a good wiff.  If they smell good I pour them into a bucket and soak them with tap water for 20 minutes.  This use to be a scary process but I stand by it and if your spawn is at 100% you will not have to worry about contamination.  BREAKING UP YOUR SPAWN IS WHAT MAKES GRAIN/RYE/OATS ETC GREAT!  hope this cleared some things up.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20253506 - 07/10/14 02:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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this. small pieces of bacteria usually still lets a tub have some decent flushes.
clean healthy grain break up even without hitting the jar on anything, just shake it in your palm..




??  Fully colonized spawn does not require banging??  To be sure we're talking about the same thing,  All my uncolonized grain shook very easy, no banging required at all.  It was the colonized bit that would break away from the jars and stayed in clumps.  I'll post more pics in a couple days.




colonized grains, yes. the "banging" against the glass in the jar is usually enough for me,
even though a book or boot is easier.

when colonized grain stick together in clumps and don't break up easily to single kernels
its usually because of bacteria.

If its just some small clumps its usually fine, it wont ruin your grow,
but too much and it will weaken the myc to contams.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Dilated]
    #20256421 - 07/11/14 03:37 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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No it's a waste that no one give this poor person some good information.  Some myc is very durable and it takes a very good "whack" to break up the grain/rye/oats etc.. QT jar's are not PF jars which you have to wait to fully colonize.  The great thing about grain (I speak about grain because it is what I work with) is that it can be broke up at roughly 30% so that it can spread it's seed around the jar so that it can spread from there and colonize evenly.  You can also break it up near the end of it's colonization to make sure that you have clean spawn.  Another great thing about breaking up your spawn is that you can generally get a good "wiff" of clean mushroomy smell coming through your filter. 

1. Inoculate (don't shake, as previously stated, so that the spores have a group to germinate with).

2. Wait, once the myc is starting to spread wait until roughly 25-30% colonization has occured then SHAKE vigorously (if it's being stubborn give it a good clean whack against the carpet or a tire as RR uses).  This will spread the myc evenly and allow for a nice even spreading of the myc to occur.

3.  Once you get to about 80-90% check and see if it looks nice and even.. if you still have some spots that look like it could take a long time break it up again.  (you can get away with breaking up your grains 3 even 4 times, I don't recommend anymore then that as it could weaken your myc.)

4. at 100% you are either going G2G (grain 2 grain) with your spawn or you are spawning it to a bulk substrate.  Either way it will need to broken up again so that it can be poured out of your jar.  When I'm going G2G I break it up and try to catch a wiff THROUGH the filter.  I get it into the SAB and do my G2G job (I'm not going to go step to step on this because there are plenty of tek's on here for this method).  After I am done G2G I give the jar a good wiff because it is open to make sure the jar smelled like fresh mush (when using cubensis) to make sure it was clean.. if it smells funny it all gets thrown out (never happened yet).  If you are spawning to bulk, if it took more then a week to get to 100% colonization I dunk my grains.  This means breaking up all my spawn in the jars and then opening them and giving them a good wiff.  If they smell good I pour them into a bucket and soak them with tap water for 20 minutes.  This use to be a scary process but I stand by it and if your spawn is at 100% you will not have to worry about contamination.  BREAKING UP YOUR SPAWN IS WHAT MAKES GRAIN/RYE/OATS ETC GREAT!  hope this cleared some things up.




This was all said in the first 10 posts.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20256567 - 07/11/14 05:16 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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No it's a waste that no one give this poor person some good information.  Some myc is very durable and it takes a very good "whack" to break up the grain/rye/oats etc.. QT jar's are not PF jars which you have to wait to fully colonize.  The great thing about grain (I speak about grain because it is what I work with) is that it can be broke up at roughly 30% so that it can spread it's seed around the jar so that it can spread from there and colonize evenly.  You can also break it up near the end of it's colonization to make sure that you have clean spawn.  Another great thing about breaking up your spawn is that you can generally get a good "wiff" of clean mushroomy smell coming through your filter. 

1. Inoculate (don't shake, as previously stated, so that the spores have a group to germinate with).

2. Wait, once the myc is starting to spread wait until roughly 25-30% colonization has occured then SHAKE vigorously (if it's being stubborn give it a good clean whack against the carpet or a tire as RR uses).  This will spread the myc evenly and allow for a nice even spreading of the myc to occur.

3.  Once you get to about 80-90% check and see if it looks nice and even.. if you still have some spots that look like it could take a long time break it up again.  (you can get away with breaking up your grains 3 even 4 times, I don't recommend anymore then that as it could weaken your myc.)

4. at 100% you are either going G2G (grain 2 grain) with your spawn or you are spawning it to a bulk substrate.  Either way it will need to broken up again so that it can be poured out of your jar.  When I'm going G2G I break it up and try to catch a wiff THROUGH the filter.  I get it into the SAB and do my G2G job (I'm not going to go step to step on this because there are plenty of tek's on here for this method).  After I am done G2G I give the jar a good wiff because it is open to make sure the jar smelled like fresh mush (when using cubensis) to make sure it was clean.. if it smells funny it all gets thrown out (never happened yet).  If you are spawning to bulk, if it took more then a week to get to 100% colonization I dunk my grains.  This means breaking up all my spawn in the jars and then opening them and giving them a good wiff.  If they smell good I pour them into a bucket and soak them with tap water for 20 minutes.  This use to be a scary process but I stand by it and if your spawn is at 100% you will not have to worry about contamination.  BREAKING UP YOUR SPAWN IS WHAT MAKES GRAIN/RYE/OATS ETC GREAT!  hope this cleared some things up.




This was all said in the first 10 posts.




Well I'm going to assume that you can't read then so I will not be having a discussion with you anymore.  Only the first 2 steps were mentioned in any of the first 10 posts.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Dilated]
    #20256579 - 07/11/14 05:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You are too serious for me brother with your 'OMG I dont believe you people' vibes........ Chill out and spread some positiveness man.  I mean you dissed 4 people who give the best advice on this forum.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20256648 - 07/11/14 05:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

So are we shaking?

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    #20256702 - 07/11/14 06:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

shake it like a crying baby!!!


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20257655 - 07/11/14 11:44 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Every time apprentice posts something I have to read it in master shakes voice.

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    #20258011 - 07/11/14 01:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well, so far looks like you guys were right (no jinx), before the shake the colonization was slow but steady.  In 7 or so hrs it will be 48hrs since the shake, I just took a quick peek and it looks like they've exploded.  I'll post pics a little later.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20258036 - 07/11/14 01:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:magicfingers:

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: spacechildo]
    #20258041 - 07/11/14 01:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Seriously is it possible for them to go fro 30 or so % to 80-90% in 48 hrs?  Sorry if thats a real noob question..lol


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20258045 - 07/11/14 01:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

LOL.....Give it another 24 hours and see if you still think it's at 90%.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: PussyFart]
    #20258079 - 07/11/14 01:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, i didn't even really look at them yet and I love to exaggerate.  The jar I looked at was a HUGE difference.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20258188 - 07/11/14 02:14 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If the myc recovered quickly, which it usually does, then yes visually it would seem like a huge growth explosion.

If it's your first time shaking a grain jar, it's very exciting to see the change.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Edmunter]
    #20258416 - 07/11/14 03:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Every time apprentice posts something I have to read it in master shakes voice.




Haha I do the same thing.. Love it
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You are too serious for me brother with your 'OMG I dont believe you people' vibes........ Chill out and spread some positiveness man.  I mean you dissed 4 people who give the best advice on this forum.




I just felt like people were giving him bits and pieces of information.  I never meant to diss anyone or offend them, if I did I apologize.  Guess I was feeling froggy yesterday.  As of yesterday this dude didn't even wanna shake his jars even after getting some info from peeps.  Master shake that shit!

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Dilated]
    #20258441 - 07/11/14 03:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Breaking up grain causes massive gain
Distributing myc is very nice


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    #20258476 - 07/11/14 03:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Every time apprentice posts something I have to read it in master shakes voice.




Haha I do the same thing.. Love it
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You are too serious for me brother with your 'OMG I dont believe you people' vibes........ Chill out and spread some positiveness man.  I mean you dissed 4 people who give the best advice on this forum.




I just felt like people were giving him bits and pieces of information.  I never meant to diss anyone or offend them, if I did I apologize.  Guess I was feeling froggy yesterday.  As of yesterday this dude didn't even wanna shake his jars even after getting some info from peeps.  Master shake that shit!



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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Sockadin]
    #20258743 - 07/11/14 04:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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for sure!!!  :lmafo:


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20260352 - 07/11/14 10:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

These are the jars i posted at the beginning of this thread, 48 hours after shake, I may have some contamination, the jar on the left has a spot that looks slightly blueish maybe greenish.  If I let it go a day or two and it's Trich the green would get much deeper in color right?



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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20261901 - 07/12/14 08:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard for me t tell from pics sometimes, but yeah, the one on the left may be contaminated. The uneven colonization, the spot with the different color and texture, and it looks like yellow around it.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #20263049 - 07/12/14 02:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

They look fine to me, but you are there in person. If they're contaminated it would likely become more prevalent in a day or two.

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    #20263328 - 07/12/14 03:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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If they're contaminated it would likely become more prevalent in a day or two.




This is what I thought, lucky for me, I don't have too much experience w/ trich..yet (knock on wood).  I have had a nasty bacillus infection before lost 10 jars.  I think these guys are pretty close to birthing, they all look like the pic above, 1 of them is completely colonized.


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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20263756 - 07/12/14 05:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

The jars infected with bacteria, were they grain or brf? If they were grain, how long and at what psi did you pressure cook for?

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    #20263786 - 07/12/14 05:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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The jars infected with bacteria, were they grain or brf? If they were grain, how long and at what psi did you pressure cook for?




Rye berry 15psi  90min


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    #20263823 - 07/12/14 05:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I had some bacteria issues when I first started out in my wbs. Someone suggested I up my PC times to 120 minutes and I'll be damned if my bacterial issues didn't go away.

Granted, if your inoculation technique or your syringe is contaminated, it won't matter how long you pressure cook for.

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    #20263864 - 07/12/14 05:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Was it my bacillus comment that made you go from "looks pretty good" to "infected with bacteria"?  The reason I ask is because the time lost 10 quart jars was actually an off-site grow for me.  They were g2g's that I transferred and kept at a friends house, jars were made and cooked there as well.  Haven't had many issues at my place, cases and cakes turning after a couple flushes.  I innoc in an SAB and use an alcohol flame in between jars.  I've set that jar to the side it looks even funnier today, the others seem to be doing well.

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Re: To shake or not?? [Re: Kryptic]
    #20263934 - 07/12/14 06:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You misunderstood me, sorry. When I said ," The jars infected with bacteria, were they grain or brf?" , I was referring to the previous 10 jars you lost to bacteria, and not the jars that are pictured in this thread.

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You misunderstood me, sorry. When I said ," The jars infected with bacteria, were they grain or brf?" , I was referring to the previous 10 jars you lost to bacteria, and not the jars that are pictured in this thread.




Got ya, yeah, those were my first attempt at g2g, botched it some how.


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