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Offlinebluntcosmic
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Awkward first grow with pics!
    #20246284 - 07/09/14 06:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hey everyone, first post here, wanted to introduce myself and say that this website is most definitely the most informative I've ever visited.

So I thought I would try my hand at growing some cubes and have had a pretty weird experience. I started off like most eager to get into growing and started to jog before I even learned to walk. I followed a PF Tek I found somewhere on the internet. I started off by poking holes into 5 lids with a nail, so all of the holes came out different sizes because I'm not very good at hitting nails with a hammer using the same force repeatedly. Fuck it. So I mixed up some brown rice I had ground up or maybe I just bought the rice and ground it up, but went back to the store to realize they also sell BRF, thanks HEB! So I'm pretty sure I used just the pure BRF and not the ground up stuff with rice chunks (which actually seems to work better?). Mixed up the BRF with fine vermiculite, and water, I forget the ratio I used but I'm sure it was something like 3VER:1BRF:1H2O. Made 5 jars, through on a nice dry layer of vermiculite and threw the lids on. PC'd the jars for an hour (probably the only thing I did right), let them sit overnight to cool, then cleaned the shit out of my bathroom and had a terrible time inoculating. I used a butane torch to heat the syringe and cleaned everything I touched with 71% ISO. Bent the shit out of one of my syringes trying to push it through the terrible holes I made in the lids and some jars didn't get all 4 points hit with spores. One of the jars only got poked once! So after that I threw them in my garage because the temperature wasn't getting above 78 degrees during the day and I thought that was a good idea probably because of something I read on the internet somewhere. So here's where I probably fucked up the most. I think I picked up the jars every day to look at them, just so amazed and excited with the mycelium growth I was seeing except that one jar that I only got through one hole, it wasn't doing shit. Well anyway fast forward to a few days ago when I noticed that my cakes had shrunk not only from the sides but the top layer of vermiculite had dropped down to the bottom of where  the lid sits, I could hold the jars at an angle and see the underside of the lid. I also noticed that 4 of my cakes had started to pin. I had an issue though, the cakes looked to be at about 90-95% colonized and not ready to pull out of the jars. Well I did anyway, at first I decided to just pull out 2 of the cakes. One of the pins took a beating coming out of the jar but I dunked and sprinkled vermiculite instead of rolling to try not damaging the other pins on the cakes. Then I threw them into my SGFC, which I think is working well. The next day I decided I would instead try to grow straight from the jar, just to see a difference between the other 2 cakes. So I rinsed the cakes while still in the jars and soaked them in the jars. I dumped out the excess water after the soak and found that one of the cakes really wanted to come out so I let it, and was careful not to damage any pins. I sprinkled vermiculite on the top of the cake in the jar still and sprinkled verm on the cake that came out. Threw those into the SGFC as well.

So here is where I'm at

My FC is sitting on a shelf, 6500K bulbs above it, running 12/12.






I'm realize that those tall 1/2 pint jars aren't ideal for this but they can work.

I've got some other jars in the works that seem to have much better mycelium growth, I believe I used Shea25's self healing lids with a tyvek filter idea and that increase in GE seems to make a difference in the BRF cakes.

Anyone have any suggestions as far as improvement? Even if you didn't read my long ramble just check out the pictures and let me know what y'all think.

Oh and on a really good note, I haven't seen any contamination in any of my jars so far, and I think I've done up 10-12.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20246296 - 07/09/14 06:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Keeping the one in the jar you lose surface area for the shrooms to grow. I know Shitake will make their way to the top if they pin to the side, but I don't think same applies with cubes.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20246305 - 07/09/14 06:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well, I did not read the bulk of it. Mostly because I am still waking up. You should try to use smaller piecesof foil. If you cover up most of the perlite, you're not going to get optimal RH95 plus is what you want.. I am guessing you dunk and rolled those cakes after the birthday? Why isthe cake one the bottom left inthe lastpic still in jar?


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bdzsmkr365247]
    #20246312 - 07/09/14 06:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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bdzsmkr365247 said:
Well, I did not read the bulk of it. Mostly because I am still waking up. You should try to use smaller piecesof foil. If you cover up most of the perlite, you're not going to get optimal RH95 plus is what you want.. I am guessing you dunk and rolled those cakes after the birthday? Why isthe cake one the bottom left inthe lastpic still in jar?




He stated he wanted to keep that one in the jar to see how it differs from the others in growing. In actuality he is just decreasing his available surface area for them to fruit.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bdzsmkr365247]
    #20246315 - 07/09/14 06:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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bdzsmkr365247 said:
Well, I did not read the bulk of it. Mostly because I am still waking up. You should try to use smaller piecesof foil. If you cover up most of the perlite, you're not going to get optimal RH95 plus is what you want.. I am guessing you dunk and rolled those cakes after the birthday? Why isthe cake one the bottom left inthe lastpic still in jar?



I have not grown shitaki before but I have growncubestheyliketo growfrom all sides with room to breathaka FAE. Hah


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bdzsmkr365247]
    #20246320 - 07/09/14 06:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

A SGFC does not work when you have it close to any type of wall.....you need clearance on all sides for it to function properly.

The holes you drilled in the sides do you no good if there is a wall right behind them.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bdzsmkr365247]
    #20246332 - 07/09/14 06:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

He should just case that jar. If he wants to experiment. haha. Really IMo that is not experimenting compared to some of thethreads I have readon here. But thats not important. Get that cake outof the jar. And usesmaller pieces of fiol.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bdzsmkr365247]
    #20246336 - 07/09/14 06:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Listen toPUSSYFART


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bdzsmkr365247]
    #20246344 - 07/09/14 06:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Listen toPUSSYFART




This

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: PussyFart]
    #20246376 - 07/09/14 06:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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A SGFC does not work when you have it close to any type of wall.....you need clearance on all sides for it to function properly.

The holes you drilled in the sides do you no good if there is a wall right behind them.




this.
ime, your shrooms will likely have a huge ratio of flush success between the glasses near the walls of a closet and the ones facing the sgfc perimiter near open air. fae's role is huge, put that chamber in the middle of the room if you can!


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: chaos]
    #20246468 - 07/09/14 07:23 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I left the one cake in the jar because I didn't want to damage the pins growing on top like I had done to the first cake I pulls from the jar. I don't have another space to grow, I could cut the back out of the shelf and center the FC on the shelf, would that help?


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20246602 - 07/09/14 08:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

you still need to elevate the chamber by a good 3-4" so air can come through the bottom holes.
its the no1 feature of the sgfc and what makes it so great and self sufficient. :super:

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: spacechildo]
    #20246605 - 07/09/14 08:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

dude you need to trim up that aluminum foil to where it almost perfectly fits under the cakes.

else you won't be getting any of that FAE coming from under the SGFC

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: chaos]
    #20246689 - 07/09/14 08:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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you still need to elevate the chamber by a good 3-4" so air can come through the bottom holes.
its the no1 feature of the sgfc and what makes it so great and self sufficient. :super:




I've got it raised but you can't see it in the picture

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dude you need to trim up that aluminum foil to where it almost perfectly fits under the cakes.

else you won't be getting any of that FAE coming from under the SGFC




I'll be doing this when I get home.

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Quote:

PussyFart said:
A SGFC does not work when you have it close to any type of wall.....you need clearance on all sides for it to function properly.

The holes you drilled in the sides do you no good if there is a wall right behind them.




this.
ime, your shrooms will likely have a huge ratio of flush success between the glasses near the walls of a closet and the ones facing the sgfc perimiter near open air. fae's role is huge, put that chamber in the middle of the room if you can!




Can I huddle them in the corner of the SGFC that gets the most FAE for a temporary fix?


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20263960 - 07/12/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Bruh why don't you have the plastic cutout over your SGFC?All your lights getting absorbed. Take the lid off and leave it off. You'll see growth in 20 minutes.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: seagypseas]
    #20264011 - 07/12/14 06:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Bruh why don't you have the plastic cutout over your SGFC?All your lights getting absorbed. Take the lid off and leave it off. You'll see growth in 20 minutes.




Why would you suggest to leave the lid off for an extended period of time?

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: FickleFam]
    #20264087 - 07/12/14 06:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

uhhh... don't do that. :eek:

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: seagypseas]
    #20264090 - 07/12/14 06:59 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Bruh why don't you have the plastic cutout over your SGFC?All your lights getting absorbed. Take the lid off and leave it off. You'll see growth in 20 minutes.




Although this would increase FAE and light dramatically, it would also drop the relative humidity and dry your cakes out. This is not good advice.

Your cakes need light, fresh air exchange, and high humidity. They need ALL of these things.

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    #20264104 - 07/12/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: Sanguin3]
    #20264420 - 07/12/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You could try and find some drinking glasses to use instead of the tall 1/2 pint jars. I found some at Kmart that are 9oz and shaped just like a 1/2 pint wide mouth. they only cost me a dollar a glass. then use 2 layers of heavy duty foil to cover them with instead of jar lids. you can inoculate right through the foil and just leave it on. the size of the needle will make the holes big enough for gas exchange while colonizing. no more bending syringe needles, or not getting your holes in the jar lids right.

also, your verm looks like the kind I first used. as the cake colonized and shrunk inside the jar, the dry verm on top started to fall down inside. you may want to find a bit coarser grade verm. but what you have now will work just fine.

hope that helps ya out.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: Sanguin3]
    #20265032 - 07/12/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Jusssayin. He has white plastic on top of the SFGC. I was saying to take off the lid while he installs some plexiglass in the top to allow some light thought. And depending on the strain I've heard plenty of time that you can leave the top off the SGFC and increase misting decrease fanning.e.g. tiger mushrooms


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: seagypseas]
    #20265083 - 07/12/14 11:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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And depending on the strain I've heard plenty of time that you can leave the top off the SGFC and increase misting decrease fanning.e.g. tiger mushrooms




If you lived in a humid environment, yes, but this advice is very relative to someones geographic location. This advice would fuck my grows up.

What are tiger mushrooms?

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20265128 - 07/12/14 11:49 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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What are tiger mushrooms?



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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: PussyFart]
    #20265146 - 07/12/14 11:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Tigerus. Tigers milk. Its a malaysian strain said to improve respatory and lungs.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: PussyFart]
    #20265156 - 07/12/14 11:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Okay. You're talking about a different species and not a different cubensis strain.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: seagypseas]
    #20265161 - 07/12/14 11:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Tigerus. Tigers milk. Its a malaysian strain species said to improve respatory and lungs.



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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20265221 - 07/13/14 12:14 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You're a species.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: seagypseas]
    #20265251 - 07/13/14 12:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ill find coconuts on different tree's and say "I like this strain better." Words are simply vehicles for transportation of information.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: seagypseas]
    #20265276 - 07/13/14 12:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Right.. except some words have pretty different meanings (like strain and species) so you'd be conveying the wrong information if you aren't careful.

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    #20265315 - 07/13/14 12:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You're a weird strain.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #20265471 - 07/13/14 01:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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You're a weird strain.



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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: cronicr]
    #20265553 - 07/13/14 02:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

:sploosh:

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    #20265601 - 07/13/14 03:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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You're a weird strain.



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    #20265743 - 07/13/14 06:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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You're a species.





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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: Sockadin]
    #20265824 - 07/13/14 07:17 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My lid is clear, not white. I don't know how it looks white to you

And I'm finding out that lids on jars can make a difference in mycelium growth rate. With these first cakes, they shrunk into the center as well as down, pulling the dry verm layer down. Self healing lids with a nice tyvek Ge filter seems to work really well. Nice even growth, but it also could be that I used my own ground brf that wasn't ground completely into flour.

Quick questions, how do ph levels affect growth? Do cubes like to be more basic? Would adjusting the pH of the water I use in the dunk make a difference. It's too easy to balance some water.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20265956 - 07/13/14 08:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If you follow the tek, there won't be any issues with pH levels, but they do well in a slightly basic/neutral pH as evidenced by the success of growers who add gypsum which reduces pH

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: Squandary]
    #20266176 - 07/13/14 09:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Gypsum dont REDUCE pH, the metabolism happening with your mycel creates an acidic environment where both mold and our mycel thrive.

By upping the pH, either with fast acting lime, or slow acting carbonate
the molds are scared off while our mycel still handles it.

gypsum would slightly raise pH too, but idk if its by much. Long time no high school chemistry :wink:

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: spacechildo]
    #20266194 - 07/13/14 10:00 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

does gypsum effect the consistency/texture of a substrate at all?

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20266205 - 07/13/14 10:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

no. the ratio of gypsum to the other substrate agents is ridiculously low to change it's consistency/texture.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20266223 - 07/13/14 10:09 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My gypsum is finely grounded powder, so no.
the garden pellet gypsum dissolves in water so I cant see that making a difference either :shrug:

It can help avoid getting grains clumped up together after the PC run,
but I rinse my grains thoroughly and have never had any problems with grains sticking to each other anyway.

it does supply calsium that the fruit bodies love though, and sulphates are easily broken down by mycel.

I wouldnt rely on it as my sole pH adjuster though, IF you use something that require a pH adjustment..

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: spacechildo]
    #20266657 - 07/13/14 12:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I've read that the addition of gypsum will slightly raise the pH, although I did just find this article about the addition of gypsum to soil and it come to find out gypsum doesn't affect the pH of soil. Now I understand that soil is different from the substrates, but if it doesn't affect soil, how does it affect brf and vermiculite? Gypsum is simply calcium sulfate, a salt if I'm not mistaken.


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20268958 - 07/13/14 10:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Not trying to post all over my own shit but, how do these motherfuckers look?



And I know I picked them super late but I was out of town and a buddy watched over them but didn't want to pick them so.. here's how they came out, how do they look? And are they good to munch on?



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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20268966 - 07/13/14 10:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yeah they're good. they umbrella out like that if you don't pick them early on.

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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: bluntcosmic]
    #20268974 - 07/13/14 10:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I've read that the addition of gypsum will slightly raise the pH, although I did just find this article about the addition of gypsum to soil and it come to find out gypsum doesn't affect the pH of soil. Now I understand that soil is different from the substrates, but if it doesn't affect soil, how does it affect brf and vermiculite? Gypsum is simply calcium sulfate, a salt if I'm not mistaken.



we dont worry about the ph of spawn and subs as they get fully clonized anyway unless your woeking with straw then you can crank it up with lime and gypsum will stabilize the ph


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Re: Awkward first grow with pics! [Re: cronicr]
    #20269050 - 07/13/14 11:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Right on, thanks for the quick reply. Stoked on my first flush.


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