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U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians
    #2024390 - 10/20/03 02:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Report: U.S. Army Unit Targeted Vietnam Civilians
Sun October 19, 2003 12:26 PM ET
TOLEDO, Ohio (Reuters) - A U.S. Army unit known as Tiger Force committed numerous war crimes during the Vietnam War, including killing scores of unarmed civilians, but an investigation was closed with no charges being brought, The Blade newspaper reported on Sunday.

The Blade said it found the Army had investigated the unit for 4 1/2 years, and found 18 soldiers had committed war crimes. But the Army filed no charges, and allowed soldiers who were under suspicion of committing war crimes to resign.

The newspaper said the accusations against the unit included killing women and children, torturing prisoners and severing ears and scalps for souvenirs.

The paper said the Army's investigation of Tiger Force found 27 soldiers who said the severing of ears from dead Vietnamese was an accepted practice. One soldier told the newspaper that troops would wear necklaces of ears to scare Vietnamese civilians.

A Pentagon spokesman, reading from a prepared statement, told Reuters on Sunday: "Absent new and compelling evidence there are no plans to reopen the case. The case is more than 30 years old."

"The CID (Criminal Investigation Command) findings were submitted to proper authorities, the suspect's commanders. Those commanders considered the CID findings and acted within their authority in deciding there was insufficient evidence of alleged crimes to successfully prosecute in a court-martial trial."

The unit of 45 paratroopers was assigned to spy on enemy forces in Vietnam's Quang Ngai and Quang Nam provinces between May and November 1967, the newspaper said. Unit members told the newspaper that they faced frequent sniper fire and guerrilla attacks, with dozens of soldiers wounded and some killed.

In some areas, so-called "free fire zones" were declared by the U.S. Army, allowing soldiers to attack enemy forces without direct orders from commanders.

"We were living day to day. We didn't expect to live. Nobody out there with any brains expected to live," unit member William Doyle told The Blade in an interview. "So you did any goddamn thing you felt like doing -- especially to stay alive. The way to live is to kill because you don't have to worry about anybody who's dead."

According to The Blade, two soldiers who tried to stop the atrocities were warned by their commanders to remain quiet before transferring to other units.

The Blade said it based its stories on interviews with more than 100 Tiger Force members and Vietnamese civilians, as well as thousands of government documents, some still classified.

The findings of the Army's investigation, from February 1971 to June 1975, were sent to the U.S. secretary of defense, and reports on the investigation's progress were sent to the White House.

The Blade said the Army's Criminal Investigation Command refused to release thousands of records from the investigation It also said Army spokesman Joe Burlas could not explain why no charges were brought in the investigation.


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: Zahid]
    #2024914 - 10/20/03 10:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

war is hell.

as an aside, I hear the ear necklace is taking
the paris catwalks by storm this fall.


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: Zahid]
    #2024980 - 10/20/03 11:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

no shit..


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: Zahid]
    #2025126 - 10/20/03 12:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Like Hitler said "The victors will not be asked about their methods"


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: Zahid]
    #2026160 - 10/20/03 06:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Poor choice for the subject line.

Shouldn't it read "Some U.S. soldiers targeted civilians in Vietnam?"


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2026167 - 10/20/03 06:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'll be honest with you luv, I manipulated the subject header to further my political agendas.


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: Zahid]
    #2027927 - 10/21/03 06:54 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Why would you do that?


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Re: Muslims Targeted Civilians.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2027933 - 10/21/03 07:03 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Scumbag muslims" do things like that. :wink:


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Re: Muslims Targeted Civilians.... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2027954 - 10/21/03 07:26 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

oh...i meant some muslims :wink:


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Re: Muslims Targeted Civilians.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2028062 - 10/21/03 09:48 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's my way infiltrating the infidel. Bwahaha. :lol: 


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RE: Muslims Targeted Civilians.... [Re: Zahid]
    #2028088 - 10/21/03 10:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think you have enough stealth to infiltrate us infidels...


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Re: All Muslims Target Civilians.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2028107 - 10/21/03 10:14 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting that when a few servicemen intentionally target civilians, you are against it, but when state-sponsored terrorists blow themselves up in a bus in Israel, you probably run through the streets prasing SandNiggerGod. *rolls eyes* What I'd have given for hitler to have exterminated the ARabs.


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Re: All Muslims Target Civilians.... [Re: lysergic]
    #2028111 - 10/21/03 10:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

did you mean to reply to me?


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Re: All Muslims Target Civilians.... [Re: lysergic]
    #2028176 - 10/21/03 11:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Still spouting nonsense I see. Can you find one instance from any thread where somebody has praised suicide bombers?


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Re: All Muslims Target Civilians.... [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2029070 - 10/21/03 04:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
did you mean to reply to me?



Not only is he a racist but he lacks the intelligence to figure out how to reply to the correct person.


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Re: All Muslims Target Civilians.... [Re: lysergic]
    #2029561 - 10/21/03 07:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Interesting that when a few servicemen intentionally target civilians, you are against it, but when state-sponsored terrorists blow themselves up in a bus in Israel, you probably run through the streets prasing SandNiggerGod. *rolls eyes* What I'd have given for hitler to have exterminated the ARabs.




I don't think Hitler could have handled a bunch of zealous Arabs on top of the slice of cake he cut himself.


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Re: All Muslims Target Civilians.... [Re: Zahid]
    #2029614 - 10/21/03 07:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Nazis versus Islamic Extremists...


Does anyone else here smell a tv show?

Allahu Ackbar!
Seig Heil!

Goebbels vs. Bin Laden



This may not be funny to people who aren't me....
i.e. black sense of humor & tall boys of corona.


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2029621 - 10/21/03 07:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

this coming from the king of unbiased subject lines...


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Re: All Muslims Target Civilians.... [Re: Kid_Orgo]
    #2029644 - 10/21/03 07:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe celebrity death match with Osama and Hitler.


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Re: U.S. Targeted Vietnam Civilians [Re: afoaf]
    #2029674 - 10/21/03 07:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
this coming from the king of unbiased subject lines...



Actually, I don't find his biased. Neither are mine.

Just having fun pointing it out as so many have kindly done for me.

You do remember fun?


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