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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Maddhatter25]
    #20240917 - 07/08/14 06:32 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Read PussyFart's advice.

Is there a reason that you seem to be trying to do everything differently from how everyone says to? If it's because you don't know that it's different, I strongly recommend you watch RogerRabbit's "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" videos.

Like I keep saying, it's possible to get mushrooms with your approach, but you'll be much better off following established teks. Just the fact that whatever fruits you had didn't abort and doubled in size in 24 hours doesn't mean you're doing it right. Cubensis practically grows itself even in unfavorable conditions, but if you provide good conditions you'll get waaaaaaay more yield with less effort.

Moist perlite doesn't really accomplish much without the tub being elevated with holes on the bottom. You need air to be passing through it to make the water evaporate.

Misting water on the walls doesn't produce the high-humidity microclimate at the surface of the substrate that you need to initiate lots of pinning. The mist needs to land on the substrate itself.

And because that's what you're doing with misting, fanning should usually only be done directly after misting, to kick-start the evaporation process. The rest of the time, your fruiting chamber should be providing enough passive fresh air exchange (Cubensis doesn't need all that much fresh air exchange as compared to other species). Your particular fruiting chamber can't do that, though, because you don't have it elevated and you have the top sealed off. Electric fans almost always result in badly dehydrated substrate.

So, to summarize: You've got several people trying really hard to help you, but it's getting very frustrating; you're doing a lot of things wrong, and it sounds like you don't even know it's wrong. Please do the most basic research of watching RR's videos.

Until then, good luck.

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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20240931 - 07/08/14 06:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I fan directly into tub 3 times a day for a half hour and point a large fan cockeye at the tub otherwise for base so flow. My last grow the mushrooms doubled in size in 24 hours and I had no aborts at all.
Had didn't raise t but used 2" perlite and covered with plastic wrap. And I never directly squirted with water but instead squirted the walls so it would be used as needed through air. Misting maybe 6 times a day due to the fan drying it out a bit



Fanning out the tub for 30 minutes at a time is pointless....all you need is 30 seconds, after you mist the cakes.

Never have a fan pointed directly at a fruiting chamber, and never have one running in the same room as a SGFC.

And you want to mist the cakes directly, never the walls of the chamber.

We mist the cakes to replace lost moisture from evaporation....we fan out the chamber afterwards to promote evaporation.

Mist the cakes, not the walls of the FC.




thank you very much :laugh: I will do this instead then.


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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: toxetel]
    #20240941 - 07/08/14 06:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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toxetel said:
Read PussyFart's advice.

Is there a reason that you seem to be trying to do everything differently from how everyone says to? If it's because you don't know that it's different, I strongly recommend you watch RogerRabbit's "Let's Grow Mushrooms!" videos.

Like I keep saying, it's possible to get mushrooms with your approach, but you'll be much better off following established teks. Just the fact that whatever fruits you had didn't abort and doubled in size in 24 hours doesn't mean you're doing it right. Cubensis practically grows itself even in unfavorable conditions, but if you provide good conditions you'll get waaaaaaay more yield with less effort.

Moist perlite doesn't really accomplish much without the tub being elevated with holes on the bottom. You need air to be passing through it to make the water evaporate.

Misting water on the walls doesn't produce the high-humidity microclimate at the surface of the substrate that you need to initiate lots of pinning. The mist needs to land on the substrate itself.

And because that's what you're doing with misting, fanning should usually only be done directly after misting, to kick-start the evaporation process. The rest of the time, your fruiting chamber should be providing enough passive fresh air exchange (Cubensis doesn't need all that much fresh air exchange as compared to other species). Your particular fruiting chamber can't do that, though, because you don't have it elevated and you have the top sealed off. Electric fans almost always result in badly dehydrated substrate.

So, to summarize: You've got several people trying really hard to help you, but it's getting very frustrating; you're doing a lot of things wrong, and it sounds like you don't even know it's wrong. Please do the most basic research of watching RR's videos.

Until then, good luck.




Im only speaking on what I already did to compare. I changing to all these things you guys are saying. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I am updating my setup to accommodate so it'll be ready when fruiting time arrives.  So I should drill holes on the bottom of the tub then on top of what I have everywhere? is there a spacing you'd recommend?

Ill check those videos ASAP also.  I'm seeing many flaws in how I was doing things lol Cant wait to see the differences in yield.  Thanks again duder!! :laugh:


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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Maddhatter25]
    #20240944 - 07/08/14 06:46 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

1/4"(6mm) holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides.

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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20240949 - 07/08/14 06:49 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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1/4"(6mm) holes every 2" in a grid pattern on all 6 sides.




I have the first 5 so all i gotta do is the bottom.  Thanks man! ill od that as soon as I'm off of here. :laugh:


Any other tips?


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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20241500 - 07/08/14 10:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Maddhatter25 said:
I fan directly into tub 3 times a day for a half hour and point a large fan cockeye at the tub otherwise for base so flow. My last grow the mushrooms doubled in size in 24 hours and I had no aborts at all.
Had didn't raise t but used 2" perlite and covered with plastic wrap. And I never directly squirted with water but instead squirted the walls so it would be used as needed through air. Misting maybe 6 times a day due to the fan drying it out a bit



Fanning out the tub for 30 minutes at a time is pointless....all you need is 30 seconds, after you mist the cakes.

Never have a fan pointed directly at a fruiting chamber, and never have one running in the same room as a SGFC.

And you want to mist the cakes directly, never the walls of the chamber.

We mist the cakes to replace lost moisture from evaporation....we fan out the chamber afterwards to promote evaporation.

Mist the cakes, not the walls of the FC.




Hey Pussyfart. Interesting to hear this about the fan. I have a fan pointed at a plate of shrooms right now to help dry them out. It happens to be in the same room as my SGFC. I mostly do tubs now but my SGFC is filled with some nicely fruiting bulk at the moment and I have had the fan in the same room as the FC in previous grows. Why do you say this is a bad idea?


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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #20241525 - 07/08/14 10:50 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey Pussyfart. Interesting to hear this about the fan. I have a fan pointed at a plate of shrooms right now to help dry them out. It happens to be in the same room as my SGFC. I mostly do tubs now but my SGFC is filled with some nicely fruiting bulk at the moment and I have had the fan in the same room as the FC in previous grows. Why do you say this is a bad idea?



www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

A fan in the room will mess with the proper functionality of the SGFC.

You want the SGFC in a room with no running fans, so air can naturally circulate around the tub.

A fan could very well make the RH drop.

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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20246716 - 07/09/14 08:48 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

If FC is fruiting chamber

What is SGFC?


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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Maddhatter25]
    #20246755 - 07/09/14 08:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

shotgun fruiting chamber.

and I saw where you only had 2 inches of perlite? that's a little skimpy, I would go for 4 or 5 inches :thumbup:

not to say it'll fuck your grow or anything, but I feel like 2 inches may not get the job done quite as well. As in it will exhaust its moisture much faster and you will have to mist/re-hydrate it more frequently.

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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20246800 - 07/09/14 09:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What is different with a shotgun chamber?

Ill up the inches lol thanks


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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Maddhatter25]
    #20246816 - 07/09/14 09:16 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

check out the link on SGFCs in pussyfarts sig, it'll tell you all you need to know :thumbup:

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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20246823 - 07/09/14 09:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ben I had a fan going with my SGFC, I just misted more often and when I did mist I fucking drenched my cakes and bulk cakes like a mofo and they would dry out a lil bit later,

I wasn't working again yet so I could most a lot and they actually did real well lol, they love fresh air more than anything as long as you don't let em dry out...I wish people emphasized that more to newer folks, I always see everyone tripping on humidity, it's all about he fresh air man..and a lil about the RH

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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20246949 - 07/09/14 09:51 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

My tubs seem to be doing fine but I worry because the central air vents are along the floor, its hard to keep the tubs out of it.


I have a fan drying fruits in the room too, im trying to make better space to fix it


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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: mushpunx]
    #20247146 - 07/09/14 10:54 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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My tubs seem to be doing fine but I worry because the central air vents are along the floor, its hard to keep the tubs out of it.




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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: Maddhatter25]
    #20247820 - 07/09/14 01:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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What is different with a shotgun chamber?



Click the link I posted.

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Re: Question about FC tub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20250809 - 07/09/14 11:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

PLEASE watch the RR VIDEOS!

THEY ARE HERE TO HELP YOU!!!


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