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OfflineZahid
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Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff
    #2022914 - 10/19/03 05:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff
Seeks multilateral agreement to halt nuclear weapons program

Sunday, October 19, 2003 Posted: 2:04 PM EDT (1804 GMT)

BANGKOK, Thailand (CNN) -- President Bush on Sunday restated his opposition to a U.S. non-aggression pact with North Korea, while proposing multilateral security assurances if Pyongyang pledges to abandon its nuclear weapons program.

North Korea has demanded bilateral talks with the United States and refused to consider giving up its nuclear program without a non-aggression treaty with the United States.

"We will not have a treaty," the president told reporters. "That's off the table. Perhaps there are other ways we can look at -- to say exactly what I said publicly on paper, with our partners' consent."

Bush addressed the issue after a meeting with Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra -- and pitched the idea later to Chinese President Hu Jintao, who will play a key role in the strategy for resuming dialogue with North Korea.

"He told President Hu that he's very committed to the six-party talks in which we are engaged, in which Beijing has been such an important player," National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice said on ABC's "This Week."

"... The president made clear to President Hu that he is prepared to explore ways within the six-party context to address the security concerns that the North Koreans have put on the table," Rice said.

The other partners in the six-party dialogue are Japan, South Korea, China and Russia.

North Korea would not have to completely dismantle its nuclear weapons program before receiving the security assurances, a senior U.S. official said. The official said any security assurances or other measures that could be negotiated with North Korea would be "conditioned on verifiable progress" toward ending and dismantling its nuclear weapons program -- but not conditioned on finishing implementation of any agreement.

The Bush administration's efforts in talks to convince North Korea to halt reprocessing of nuclear fuel rods have been stymied in part because of Pyongyang's demands for a non-aggression pact with the U.S., a tactic the White House says is virtually nuclear blackmail.

But U.S. officials said Bush hoped to reach agreement with the Chinese president on an approach under which, in exchange for a verifiable end to the North Korea weapons program, the United States and all of its partners in the talks would agree in writing that their shared goal was a peaceful, non-nuclear Korean peninsula and that no parties to the talks had any hostile intentions toward or plans to attack the North.

Senior administration officials say their offer is not a formal treaty, but a less formal written agreement.

"North Korea is not gaining anything by being possessors of nuclear weapons," Secretary of State Colin Powell said on CNN's "Late Edition." "It doesn't help an economy that's in need, it doesn't feed anyone, and it doesn't scare anyone."

He said the United States is open to being a part of a broader agreement involving other Asian nations if North Korea abandons its nuclear ambitions and agrees to strict verification.

Bush arrived in Bangkok on Saturday, ahead of Monday's APEC summit, being held in the Thai capital amid tight security.

Leaders from Russia, China, Australia and 17 other nations will join Bush at the meeting in Bangkok. Trade and security are expected to dominate the talks, according to White House officials. One challenge for Bush will be winning more support for his policies toward Iraq and North Korea.

After the APEC meeting, Bush is scheduled to make brief visits to Singapore, Indonesia and Australia, before returning home on Friday.

Bush kicked off his eight-day, six-nation tour of Asia when he arrived in Tokyo, Japan, on Friday. There, he met with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to personally thank the Asian leader for pledging $1.5 billion in reconstruction aid for Iraq and lobbying U.N. Security Council members to support a new U.S.-backed resolution on Iraq.

On Saturday in Manila, Philippines, Bush became the first U.S. president to address the Philippine Congress since Dwight D. Eisenhower in 1960. In his speech, he praised the Philippine government in its fight against terrorism and for supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq.

CNN's John King and Dana Bash contributed to this report.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Zahid]
    #2022939 - 10/19/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)


Bush and Chinese President Hu Sunday in Bangkok


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Zahid]
    #2023774 - 10/19/03 10:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Did you see his Phillipine speech? 70% of the people didnt clap.. there were people wearing anti war buttons, people walked out...

One even unfurled a big anti-US banner as he walked out.

It was a sight to see. I watched it via an internet feed and via CNN simultaneously. CNN showed none of the dissent, of course.

Anyway, to the topic at hand. NK should keep their nukes, it is their ownly protection against the US's push for global empire.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2023872 - 10/19/03 11:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Didn't see it but a co-worker told me about Bush's flop. 70% not clapping...that's an awkward moment for him. :grin: 


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2024101 - 10/20/03 12:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

it will be interesting to see how bushco handle
a viable threat to their neoimperialist plans for
global military domination.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: afoaf]
    #2024214 - 10/20/03 01:31 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'll pop the popcorn. :smile:


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2025507 - 10/20/03 02:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If i was north korea theres no way i would stop shit...even with a signed non-aggresion treaty. Look how disarming helped saddam....and bush already declared n.korea an 'evil empire'....mwahahah.....!


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2025588 - 10/20/03 02:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Personally i think we (the US) should say fuck it, build what you want, let those countries that border Korea worry aboot it.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2025625 - 10/20/03 03:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But the more i read about it, the more it seems korea is just trying to keep the US from pulling more pre-emtive strike bullshit.  They keep telling them to disarm, but won't agree not to invade if they can. :nonono:


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2025643 - 10/20/03 03:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Is it bad that i don't really care what korea does? sure they could shoot a nuke our way but they would be destroyed before the first one hit. I say leave it up to the locals.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2025656 - 10/20/03 03:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Innvertigo said:
sure they could shoot a nuke our way but they would be destroyed before the first one hit.




So they wouldn't launch a nuke at the US then.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2025679 - 10/20/03 03:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

No, i said they could and before it would hit us they would be destroyed (who knows how good our (the US) missle defence is)

I guess i just can't get worked up aboot it since there are strong neighbors next door who should be taking care of it.

Sorta like if Canada started becoming Rogue they (the world) would be begging us to do something aboot it and not countries like the UK or France since Canada is so close to us.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2025710 - 10/20/03 03:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

nuclear war threats are a joke. you use the nukes as leverage to get concessions. everyone knows that any country that launches a nuke strike at another is going to be retaliated with nuclear weapons. take out at least 30% of gov infrastructure and everyone is crippled. nuclear war ends in mutual destruction. convincing the world you have nukes and are 'crazy' or 'evil' enough to possibly use them scares the shit outa people but gov's know they juat want political leverage.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Eightball]
    #2025735 - 10/20/03 03:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You hit the nail right on the head *smack*.  Good job :thumbup:


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2025765 - 10/20/03 03:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

One of our primary concerns is a nuke delivered by alternate means, though.

If a Jamaican-flagged freighter with cargo from 47 different countries explodes in Boston Harbor, who do you retaliate against?

Personally I would not mind pulling out of South Korea. I love the place, but they are more than strong enough to stand on their own now.

It was pretty fucking stupid to keep the capital within artillery range of the border with NK. Another 20 miles south and they could just bomb the NK nuke site with relative impunity. As it is they are held hostage by a bunch of WWII technology that might as well be nuclear, given it's quantity.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: wingnutx]
    #2025798 - 10/20/03 03:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

True, i guess my point was that the world wants US (america) to do something aboot N. Korea when there are more than enogh powers in the world to take care of them ie: China, Japan and Russia.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2025829 - 10/20/03 03:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't happen very often, but I'm with Inny on this one...


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2025837 - 10/20/03 03:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I agree. China, Japan, and SK should be doing the heavy lifting on this one.

We are pretty much damned if we do or don't.


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Re: Bush proposes alternative to N. Korea standoff [Re: wingnutx]
    #2025858 - 10/20/03 04:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The only reason that you are damned if you don't is because you would be holding Iraq to a double standard...i.e...Invading Iraq for "suspected" WMD's, yet ignoring North Korea who has openly admitted to having them.

If the U.S. stayed out of Iraq in the first place, I doubt that it would look as suspicious if they left North Korea alone.


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    #2025889 - 10/20/03 04:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Doesn't happen very often, but I'm with Inny on this one...




Feels good, doesn't it?


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