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WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS!
#20214371 - 07/02/14 09:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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This variety of mushroom has been slow in every aspect of it's cultivation. From my rye quart jars to the tub, but it's finally hit the ridiculous.
The jars were very slow compared to the other MS syringe that I did. They took almost 2 weeks longer to colonize their rye quarts vs the other variety that were inoculated on the same day. Plus, the mycelium was very very fluffy vs. the rhizo growth the other MS syringe.
On 5.2.14 I spawned 4 quarts of rye to 66qt tub of properly pasteurized sub of coir and vermiculate.
I used: One brick of coir 2 quarts of verm (your preference) 4 quarts of water Handful of gypsum
The sub is 3 inches. It's been slowly colonizing and colonizing a fluffy mycelium.
Over the last week. It's stopped colonizing. It's looked like this for the last 7 days. What could be going on?????


This is what it looked like 2 WEEKS AGO!
Edited by orchitis01 (07/02/14 09:11 AM)
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20214385 - 07/02/14 09:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I sure hope all that color change isn't mold
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: Mushiez]
#20214401 - 07/02/14 09:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not. Two different cameras. Tip 2 are from a cell with flash. Bottom is a dslr in natural light
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20214415 - 07/02/14 09:26 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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it looks a bit bacterial to me, but I still think it looks pretty healthy considering it's been colonizing for 2 months. when it takes that long its usually because a contam has taken hold of your sub.
After 2 months, and considering you used coir+verm+gypsum I'd just fruit it. It probably wont finish as its been 2 months already. It might well go green/nasty when you fruit it but then at least you'll know.
it wont be as good as a fully colonized sub but its the only way to get anything out of this IME.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: spacechildo]
#20214428 - 07/02/14 09:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: it looks a bit bacterial to me, but I still think it looks pretty healthy considering it's been colonizing for 2 months. when it takes that long its usually because a contam has taken hold of your sub.
After 2 months, and considering you used coir+verm+gypsum I'd just fruit it. It probably wont finish as its been 2 months already. It might well go green/nasty when you fruit it but then at least you'll know.
it wont be as good as a fully colonized sub but its the only way to get anything out of this IME.
If it is bacteria, wouldn't it have started pinning? So far, no green and no pins.
Edited by orchitis01 (07/02/14 09:32 AM)
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20214444 - 07/02/14 09:36 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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My guess is something hitchhiked from the spawn jars
but hardly any margin change of myc and an onset of gray on that coco looks a bit fishy
can you describe the texture, specifically of those uncolonized spots? does it have filaments?
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20214457 - 07/02/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: it looks a bit bacterial to me, but I still think it looks pretty healthy considering it's been colonizing for 2 months. when it takes that long its usually because a contam has taken hold of your sub.
After 2 months, and considering you used coir+verm+gypsum I'd just fruit it. It probably wont finish as its been 2 months already. It might well go green/nasty when you fruit it but then at least you'll know.
it wont be as good as a fully colonized sub but its the only way to get anything out of this IME.
If it is bacteria, wouldn't it have started pinning? So far, no green and no pins.
many contams will just sit and wait for fae in the tub, it could have hiked along from your initial agar plate as well. So there's a good chance it will go south once you introduce it to fruiting, but hey, only one way to find out right. healthy spawn dont need 2 months to colonize a cvg sub..
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: Mushiez]
#20214476 - 07/02/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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This variety has never shown any signs of rhizomorphic growth. It's always been a cotton ball look. This includes when colonizing the jars. So the uncolonized areas have a faint cottony look.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: spacechildo]
#20214497 - 07/02/14 09:52 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said:
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orchitis01 said:
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spacechildo said: it looks a bit bacterial to me, but I still think it looks pretty healthy considering it's been colonizing for 2 months. when it takes that long its usually because a contam has taken hold of your sub.
After 2 months, and considering you used coir+verm+gypsum I'd just fruit it. It probably wont finish as its been 2 months already. It might well go green/nasty when you fruit it but then at least you'll know.
it wont be as good as a fully colonized sub but its the only way to get anything out of this IME.
If it is bacteria, wouldn't it have started pinning? So far, no green and no pins.
many contams will just sit and wait for fae in the tub, it could have hiked along from your initial agar plate as well. So there's a good chance it will go south once you introduce it to fruiting, but hey, only one way to find out right. healthy spawn dont need 2 months to colonize a cvg sub..
Welp, that isn't the news I wanted to hear. I had a jar that I didn't trust and made a mini dub tub. That did go south with trich. I had hoped if this had it, it would have reared its ugly green head by now.
I'm on vacation for a week, so I think I'm going to let it sit for that week rather than starting fae while I'm gone. Prefer not to come home to a green sub. And expose the house to mold.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20214550 - 07/02/14 10:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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From what I can see from the pics, it looks a little too wet in there to me. That strain also looks very fluffy. 2 months is a really long time for colonization. What is your temperature like?
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: hummingbird]
#20214569 - 07/02/14 10:16 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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A constant 69 degrees
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20214586 - 07/02/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd sacrifice the stalled tub to an outdoor manure patch doesnt look too hopeful
can't believe it was spawned in may
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: Mushiez]
#20214602 - 07/02/14 10:28 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I would just fruit it before vacation, but I like surprises. You really don't have anything to lose at this point.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: spacechildo]
#20214632 - 07/02/14 10:40 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hear ya. I been doing 5-6 shoebox size mini's cause I am paranoid of having a big tub contam. I need to get over that and just make more spawn....lol. But yes, 2 mo seems a long time. But I have only done small monos. The small ones take around 7-10 days on average. Usually not more than 2 weeks. But I also use alot of spawn 1:2 spawn/sub (usually). I could get away with much less doing straw and hpoo but I like the fast colonization time. Especially now it's getting hot out. Already had some minor heat related issues.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#20214707 - 07/02/14 11:15 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'll get better pics today and hopefully that might change your thoughts
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01] 1
#20214894 - 07/02/14 12:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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orchitis01 said: A constant 69 degrees
Try raising the temps a little. I have mine at a constant 75.
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Unfortunately, the temp cannot be changed.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20215041 - 07/02/14 12:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here are better pics taken today....change anyone's thoughts? Still contaminated?



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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20215146 - 07/02/14 01:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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PS when you're offered a couple free syringes if you buy some (like a buy 4 get 2 free) and the free ones are something you've never heard of......probably shouldn't use those.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20215154 - 07/02/14 01:29 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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looks great, and just because you never heard of them is actually more the reason to use them
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: cronicr]
#20215253 - 07/02/14 02:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: looks great, and just because you never heard of them is actually more the reason to use them
Cronicr...you're the first person to say it looks great. You;re also the only "Trusted Cultivator" to comment (Congrats BTW!)
Give it another week and then start FAE or do it while on vacation?
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20215268 - 07/02/14 02:10 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i'd give it air now, i say it looks fine because of the timeframe you have given it woulda showed some metobolits by now or mold would have shown it's face
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: cronicr]
#20215476 - 07/02/14 03:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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what do you think is the reason it wont colonize properly cron? I guess it must be bacterial as it cant be seen, even though the myc itself look healthy.
the 2-month thing makes me a little
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: spacechildo]
#20215515 - 07/02/14 03:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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uneven moisture from not mixing the bulk maybe, all you can really do is see how it smells and reacts to fruiting conditions
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: spacechildo]
#20215525 - 07/02/14 03:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I only see healthy myc do that when my bulk sub is way to wet, but his recipe in OP sounds pretty standard. didn't think about it just being un even though, good point.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: spacechildo]
#20215736 - 07/02/14 04:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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how do you tell if your sub is too wet or too dry (dry probably looks cracked or very thin???)
I will put it into fruiting tomorrow and hope that i don't come home to a green mess in a week. fingers crossed that I come home to some nice ripe fruits ready to be picked.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20215748 - 07/02/14 04:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Puddles of water is too wet. You want it to glisten after misting.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: Mazz]
#20215919 - 07/02/14 05:38 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mazz said: Puddles of water is too wet. You want it to glisten after misting.
This is a monotub, not planning on misting, at least during flush #1
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20215928 - 07/02/14 05:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Puddle of water on the substrate is still unacceptable.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: PussyFart]
#20216359 - 07/02/14 07:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: Puddle of water on the substrate is still unacceptable.
Agreed. Guess I was looking for the less obvious signs of too wet.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20216408 - 07/02/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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just watch your sub, if you gto nice beads of moisture on the surface it's fine
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: cronicr]
#20216448 - 07/02/14 07:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Has it been colonizing with the poly fill in he holes or is there tape covering them?
Or is that a giant ball of fuzzy myc on the side of the tub in he fourth pic down? I just looked again and i still can't tell
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: Mdahmer]
#20216593 - 07/02/14 08:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: Has it been colonizing with the poly fill in he holes or is there tape covering them?
Or is that a giant ball of fuzzy myc on the side of the tub in he fourth pic down? I just looked again and i still can't tell
Still taped. That's a pic of what I think is aerial mycelium. It's also an example of how fluffy this shit is
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20216605 - 07/02/14 08:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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get something else started iin the mean time
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: cronicr]
#20216665 - 07/02/14 08:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah the pictures look healthy dunno why it looked grayish before mustve been the different camera Keep us posted
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20216697 - 07/02/14 08:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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It looks okay to me. Sometimes cultures are just slow. I would give it 4-5 more days and then fruit it.
Like cronicr said, get something else started and keep an eye on it.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20218758 - 07/03/14 09:42 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I just found this guy this morning. Is this a good or bad sign as the sub is still not 100% and not in fruiting?
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20218818 - 07/03/14 09:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since you are getting a pin, i would go ahead and fruit it.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20219267 - 07/03/14 12:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Done wish me luck. Hopefully I come home to a nice pin set or some ready to be picked fruits!
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20219688 - 07/03/14 02:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just want to be sure, I know there isn't a definite answer, but what is a good estimate in days it takes to go from fruiting to harvest? Like I said, I am going to be gone a week. I only see a few pins in the tub at this time. I should be good, right?
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20219694 - 07/03/14 02:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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orchitis01 said: Just want to be sure, I know there isn't a definite answer, but what is a good estimate in days it takes to go from fruiting to harvest?
oh brutha your way past those numbers but even though it took a couple months you got there! give it 7-10 days
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: cronicr]
#20219733 - 07/03/14 02:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, based on this tub, I should see something mid August
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20262695 - 07/12/14 12:17 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was gone for 7 days and came home to this. I know it's not the greatest pic, but it's obvious some of these are past prime plucking. That said, are they still good? Just throw them in the dehydrator with the rest?
Plus, they are lacking some FAE. They have fuZzy feet. I've cracked the lid a bit and the top poly is almost falling out. Any other suggestions?
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20262726 - 07/12/14 12:28 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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just ride it out
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: tripdawg420]
#20262743 - 07/12/14 12:34 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ride what out? I'm not planning on throwing it out I'm just happy I came home and it wasn't triched out
now I'm trying to figure out what to do with tbe over grown boomers a d fuzzy feet
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20262750 - 07/12/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Eat them.
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: PussyFart]
#20262755 - 07/12/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i just see some aint dont yet pick the ones that are and
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: tripdawg420]
#20262831 - 07/12/14 12:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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yeah i really hate when they umbrella out like that
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: Dos Ounce]
#20263647 - 07/12/14 04:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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For sure eating them, can't wait to do so. I've just never eaten caps that have spores pouring from them and for sure never dried them.
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orchitis01
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Re: WTF!?! This Mono is driving me NUTS! [Re: orchitis01]
#20266742 - 07/13/14 12:44 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just curious, how is this looking? I've been picking every morning and evening, picking the ones who's veils have broken. They're not large, most around 3".
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