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ConcreteWaves



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when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm
#20208684 - 06/30/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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So, ive always questioned this but never put it to the test and im wondering if maybe one of yall have done so.
So picture this, your about to spawn to bulk with some coco coir or i guess whatever substrate youd like for that matter. Your doing a 1:1 ratio spawn to sub tub, ight? Picture painted? Cool.
So heres my question, lets say your gonna add 4 pints of spawn...lets say KSS for the sake of aggressivness. 3 out of 4 jars are snow white baby, but one looks a bit off...now...yes i know...toss it, BUT in this little painted picture your not tossing it.
So you add 3 good 1 ehh jar, lot of noice myc but u know its contamed..
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Is there a chance the other 3 jars of good strong aggressive myc can overtake the contams and put it to rest from colonizing contamination? And why?
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cronicr



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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: ConcreteWaves]
#20208714 - 06/30/14 08:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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you can and more then likely will see a flush or two but as your sub weakens the contam present will start it's take over, i know things like penicillium can simplyt piggyback your myc and not show it's face almost ill pinning has occurred or even later and that can come from one of your first plates!
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SmokeDaDabs
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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: ConcreteWaves]
#20208719 - 06/30/14 08:54 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Actually Ive had a similar thing happen Im new to growing only on my 3rd grow but my first grow I encountered a bacterial contamination it wasnt very aggressive and the myceilum seemed to be still moving only slower then normal so I left them and after a month or so some of the jars were at almost 100% colonization while other worse jars where closer to 30-60% so i said fuck it and i birthed them all i washed the cakes and discarded of any uncolonised sub and broke the cakes up and had one strong jar that actually 100% colonized I let the broken cakes soak along with the full cake and spawned to 50/50+ casing here are some pics i took today of the progress they are Cambodians btw to very aggressive.
Just on a side note i have heard on a diffrent thread i belive it might have been RR who accutly said it but dont quote me he said that myc will fruit when encountering contamination as a defence because the fruits are their way of reporduction and this is why we sometimes see fruits in jars, so this may mean that if you could possably intoruce or if you just end up with a less aggresive bacteria (probally not a mold) to a mostly colonized sub that it may encourage larger flushes(ive never tired this just a thought)
heres a pic of the cake thats fruiting that was contaminated pretty prolific if you ask me


and heres some casings I got from the same myc
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StygianKnight
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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: SmokeDaDabs]
#20208732 - 06/30/14 09:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, it won't fight off the contam. Most likely the added stress from the contam will cause early/fast fruiting for the first flush and then stunted second & third. Worst case is that it's a contam that loves coir and runs through the new food source you just gave it.
To smoke, adding contams will speed up pinning, but wont result in a larger yield.
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ConcreteWaves



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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: StygianKnight]
#20208754 - 06/30/14 09:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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And once again i learn something new. I just love it. Never think you can know it all, humble yourself and learn everything u can. 
That is so interesting to hear contams trigger faster pinning cuz the myc is defending itself.
However, its risky business when u see a pin or 2 in a jar cuz like u guys say, it could be fending off a contam....but i also learned some jars will pin when the jar overstayed its welcome on your shelf and its time to spawn that sucker.
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ConcreteWaves



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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: ConcreteWaves]
#20208762 - 06/30/14 09:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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But think about this, and see if you can come up with an answer.
You say the contams induce pinning, cuz the myc is trying to reproduce, get the fuits to drop spores right. But, if the contam is always there...then its trying to fight a battle that it wont win.
But whos to say the myc wouldnt eventually win if situation qas different...persay...not in a fruiting chamber, but in natural growth outdoors or other scenarios.
Truely mind boggling, i love it.
Two very much alive organisms, but the contam seems naturally stronger in a FOR FUNGAI habitat, why is this i wonder?
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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: ConcreteWaves]
#20208800 - 06/30/14 09:56 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Because the contams that present themselves are the ones better suited for the habitat, or more aggressive than the myc.
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ConcreteWaves



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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: March Hare]
#20208810 - 06/30/14 10:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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So is it possible to create a habitat not suited for contaminants, but strong for fungai?
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StygianKnight
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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: ConcreteWaves]
#20208821 - 06/30/14 10:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes, that's the point of both outdoor grows and pasteurization over sterilization of certain bulk substrate. It's not the myc that effectively fights off contams but other microorganisms. The reason it's suggested to bury contamed spawn is to allow the complex natural interplay to kill or slow contams to produce a full flush. Occasionally the myc will win out and cover over the contamed area, but it never seems to completely kill it, so as it weakens the contams take hold again. Most contams are simpler than a complex fungi and win out by dividing and spreading faster than complex fungi can.
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cronicr



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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: ConcreteWaves]
#20208948 - 06/30/14 11:53 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
ConcreteWaves said: So is it possible to create a habitat not suited for contaminants, but strong for fungai?
thats y we pasturize and or sterilize! or we add things like lime to ge the oph to a level intolerable for mold ,outdoors(by nature) they don't compete with contams but rather just take whats in front of them and available and be happy with it, mother nature has a wonderfull balance!
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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: cronicr]
#20209533 - 07/01/14 06:19 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
cronicr said: you can and more then likely will see a flush or two but as your sub weakens the contam present will start it's take over, i know things like penicillium can simplyt piggyback your myc and not show it's face almost ill pinning has occurred or even later and that can come from one of your first plates!
Listen to this guy... He seems to know what he's talking about and pointed out a few errors in my tek
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cronicr



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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: Filthschwein]
#20209536 - 07/01/14 06:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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well since your listening..Covering your mouth when you burp doesn't make it any more polite. That's like holding your butt when you fart
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cronicr



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Re: when spawning to bulk with contams.....hmmm [Re: cronicr]
#20209544 - 07/01/14 06:27 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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-------------------- It doesn't matter what i think of you...all that matters is clean spawn
I'm tired do me a favor
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