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 DoctorJ   Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Some women have said that I am a cynic. Some women have even gone so far as to say that I am a sexist.
Niether of these statements is true. I am a hopeless romantic. My cynicism is a means of protecting my fragile heart. Whatever sexist tendencies I have have been learned from women. I am sick of this notion among women that men come into this world with a predisposition to sexism. We don't. This behavior is learned. When i say: "Women are sluts," this is not a stereotypical bias. This is something i have learned from personal experience. I wouldn't think that way if so many women hadn't fucked me over. Five years ago, if you said to me: "Women are sluts. Don't ever trust them with your heart," I would have been like, "No, man, you're a sexist." Having been around a bit, now I know better. Women have called me a "player", because I sleep around and avoid emotional attachment. Whats funny is that I would like nothing more than a steady, committed relationship. I have yet to find a woman capable of this. Women are the real players. Men just do it to protect themselves. Anyway, I am a firm believer that sexist mentality is caused by women, and the bullshit that they frequently pull.
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domite Puppet  Registered: 04/12/03 Posts: 2,978 Loc: Who's askin'? Last seen: 10 years, 7 months |
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"Women are sluts. Don't ever trust them with your heart"
*claps*
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 Zero7a1 Leaving YourWast  Registered: 10/23/02 Posts: 3,594 Loc: Passing Cloud |
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I see where you are coming from... and even from our last *cough* fiasco... i would say that my harsh tone towards people comes from a need to protect myself. Our hearts are not rocks, although we seem to throw them sometimes, doesnt mean that we are partial, or an enemy. there are a lot of "sexist" men out there, and how they got a problem, who knows. Those are real tight ass motherfuckers, i know we would probably all like to get our hands around, and knock the shit out of them. Most of the "sexist" men are just ego tistical, and like to piss everyone off. Like big red neck mother fucker, or ass hole new yorker, some generalization like that.
 . There are too many people playing the "sexist", victim roll, if people were to stand up for shit instead of crying and whining, and acting on whims, there would be sooooo much less bullshit for the world to deal with. Owell.
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David_Scape Anti Genius  Registered: 08/05/02 Posts: 878 Loc: U.S. of muthafuc Last seen: 14 years, 10 months |
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People who call you sexist could'nt be thinking about what they're saying.
Pain and problems are plenty on both sides. Women are gold digging sluts and men are assholes who only see women as sexual objects blablablabla. Men do become defensive if they get hurt and so do women. But in the thick of it all, women probably come out the most 'innocent'.
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess  Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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 You sit there and say you have made a decision based on your "experiences". Well, so have I and just as you feel that your opinions have been confirmed, so do I. So I guess they are the right opinions to have and can be validated by people who think like each of us. Right?... since neither of us has been in each others shoes. I think alot of men are arrogant, ignorant assholes. I dont think all men are tho. I have a whole host of fantastic male friends that are absolutely awesome - not to mention GeorgeWash, my super groovy fiance. How you cannot say you are sterotyping women and have some true issues with forgiveness and bias after labeling all women as sluts because of your experience is beyond me. When someone shows themselves to be that way, think whatever you want. But to label all of a human sex something.. if that aint stereotypical, I dunno what is. As a woman, since you boys dont seem to get alot of womanly advice, here is my opinion. You learn cynicism from being with the wrong people. You start to accept cynicism as truth from not valuing yourself enough that other people's shitty actions become okay with you, they become acceptable. So you are right, sexism is learned. It is learned every time you let a man call a woman a bitch or say they are only for "fucking". It is learned every time you decide not to be a better person yourself. It is learned everytime you give your heart, in any degree, to someone who doesnt deserve it. That is a choice you make, you choose to accept and project shit, or you treat people with respect.. including yourself. You recieve what you put out in the world. If someone is a slut or walks all over you or what not, it is because you let them. You feel you arent valuable enough to not condone that. Be you a woman or a man. Personally, I think that devaluing yourself that way is bullshit and Im worth alot more then that. I'd suggest if you think women are such sluts you stop condoning that behavior and find women who arent. If you cant, honestly... you need to go back and work on yourself because if you hold every woman you meet in some type of slut category then what the hell do you expect? You seem to just be projecting yourself onto them because you havent reached that point in your life that you know how to love and be in a relationship. So, it's easier to blame the opposite sex for your actions or inability instead of realizing that it is you that filters and fibers the world into whatever you want. I like coming to the shroomery so that I can hopefully mentor to the women here that act so whorish because that's what the men here seem to want.. that they dont have to be slutty to get attention. I mean, that is all they are after anyway, attention. I see it with each new crop of ladies. It's such a downward spiral.. sexualize yourself to get attention on a bb dominated by horny adolescent men, because heaven forbid if you stand up for yourself.. for your intelligence, for all of the things you could bring to to this place. Then yer a "feminist", "sexist slut", "drama queen". DrJ, you told me the other day that women couldnt be treated like "princesses" and have equal rights. I mean, think about that statement. You dont think you exude sexism? You ( and many others on these boards) act like it is a ridiculous concept to treat women with respect.. to treat them like women. Well, because that is how you feel, to me it is no wonder that in your life women have become the "players", taking on the traditional male role. I just dont understand that if this is ( this being your post and others by you) what you are projecting.. just what the hell you are expecting? -------------------- 
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David_Scape Anti Genius Registered: 08/05/02 Posts: 878 Loc: U.S. of muthafuc Last seen: 14 years, 10 months |
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sluttyness works if you want attention. I imagine they're just addicted to jumping the delay that is required to get it. Im just speculating of course, as i am guy, so...
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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"I imagine they're just addicted to jumping the delay that is required to get it. Im just speculating of course, as i am guy, so... "
That very well may be the case. All I can do is give my experience from talking to them, as a woman. --------------------
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: I would advise you to read Dr. Tatiana's Sex Advice to All Creation. It is a very excellent evolutionary psychology book (written by a woman, too). Dr. Tatiana confirms that the female in every species is the more promiscuous sex, and explains why this has given them a selective evolutionary advantage. The chance of fertilization is greater if the female has multiple partners. Thus, slutty genes are selected, and have been for millions of years. Conversely, Males have an evolutionary incentive to protect their genetics, even at the cost of another male's. This is why men are possesive. Of course, you could disagree with science, but if you choose to do so, I would ask you to stop driving your car, turn off your a/c, and stop eating refrigerated food. Quote: yes, and those of my friends. First hand information is often the most accurate. I should have also mentioned that I study psychology, and have done so for many years. I read a lot of research (experiments, studies, etc). I should say I have a few friends in long term relationships, but they always seem to be symbiotic, more of a mutual exchange than love. If I really like a girl, I try to press for longevity in relationships, but its a very taxing game, and even if I win, I still feel unloved. Quote: I have been with all kinds of girls. No matter how different they were, a common thread ran through them. Straight edge or dope fiend, religious or atheist, rich or poor, most of the women I have met have cared only for themselves and didnt respect my feelings. Quote: you're right. I should have said "bitches are only for fucking... and wasting money on." BTW, a bitch isnt a woman. A bitch is a bitch. If she proves to me she is a lady, I will treat her like one. Until then, she's just a bitch to me. I'm the same way with men too, btw. Dont mistake misanthropy for sexism. Quote: I've been a better person. I've been sensitive and caring, moreso than you would probably guess. Didn't get me anything but heartbreak. The only reason women want men to be more sensitive is so they can use us and walk on us like doormats. Quote: Falling in love has never been a decision I have made. You need to learn a little more about male emotions. Maybe then you might realize why guys don't want to hang out with a girl they know is taken  Quote: sorry, I'm not into religious prudes and sexual naivetie. I like having sex. I dont appreciate that women dont seem to respect the emotional bond it creates. There is a difference between "not being a slut" and being a chaste prude. women make guys to all this work just to get with them. We have to initialize first contact. We have to pay for everything. We have to entertain her. By the time we get laid, there's been all this build up that has attatched us to the girl, but by that time, she's gotten everything she wanted from us. A few nice dinners, a little entertainment, and a fuck. She knows she can start the whole thing over again with one of a million guys that hit on her every day. Quote: It was easy to do when I was younger. Women have robbed me of this ability by meeting every attempt at a loving committed relationship with scandalous, slutty behavior. Can you accept that? Can you believe that deep down I'm a nice guy that just wants to settle down and be in love with a girl who can give it back equally? They put your hero Jesus on the cross because he was a nice guy. Nice guys finish last. Its basic human nature. Women chew nice guys up and spit them out when they meet a guy with a bigger dick and a faster car. Quote: Men want girls that like them, and will appreciate them. Do you have any idea how it feels to be the one who bears the burden of the entire relationship? Just once, I would like a girl to buy ME a drink. Or start a conversation. I want a girl who cares about me as much as I care about her. I'm sick of being asked to take all of the initiative. BTW, women want attention because they are inherently emotionally self-centered, like all human beings (men, too!). Look it up in your nearest psych book. Quote: And heaven forbid I stand up for MY rights and feelings, because then I'm a "sexist pig" who "treats women like shit and bitches about how they are such bitches" Quote: I dont see how that statement exudes anything but the truth. If you want to be treated like an equal that means being treated like an equal. No opening doors, no paying for meals, and why don't YOU ask a guy out for a change instead of making him do all the legwork? Have you looked up the definition of "chivalry" in the middle ages yet? The reason women were given certain courtesies was because they had no legal rights!!! You want chivalry, fine: say goodbye to voting, equal pay, and legal recourse. You can't have equality AND privilege. Quote: I treat women with the same respect I treat men. And not an iota more. Respect I will give you. Reverence, I will not.
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Mushmonkey shiftlesslayabout  Registered: 09/25/03 Posts: 10,867 Last seen: 5 months, 28 days |
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Note beforehand that what I'm about to say is not all-inclusive. You can consider yourself excluded from anything that may insult you.
But really, women are, by and by large.. sadly.. idiots. I've met a few who I got along with really really fuckin well, but most of them I can't even talk to. Not that I get all flustered -- I'm talking about women i'm not interested in, who I'm talking to as just another person, so many I've met are unable to carry a simple conversation.. it's sad. Unless you're blatantly hitting on them every other sentence you don't matter. Like I said, not all I've known, but many. And so so many women I have known have done their damnedest to get themselves into bad relationships, and then absolutely love being in them. They're treated badly, they'll tell you they're treated badly, 'But I love him..'. And meanwhile everyone who's ever treated them well? Whatever, didn't love them. I'll let this guy forbid me to talk to any of my male friends.. he's worth it, he's a real winner. Good person all-around. Now what the hell is with that? Idiocy. not even gonna mention how outright manipulative most women are. I've yet to meet a guy that was outright manipulative. Persuasive, yes.. but not manipulative. -------------------- i finally got around to making a sig revel in its glory and quake in fear at its might grar. 
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: except of course, for the ladies here at the shroomery! A lot of people see this as a male dominated board, but i think the lack of females is directly related to the fact that there arent a whole lot of girls out there that are into intellectual things like psychedelics and internet discussion boards. Of all the real world women I meet, very few of them are as cool as the chicks on here. There reallyarent enough smart girls out there, and unfortuneatly the dumb ones set all the precedents. Quote: well, women tend to see dominance as an admirable trait. This goes back to pre-historic times, I'm sure. The male who talks loud, is possessive, and beats the shit out of other males is more likely to aid the female's survival. Females are biologically programmed to go after the dominant male monkey motherfucker. They may say they want a nice guy, a sensitive guy, and in their mind they probably do. But their bodies and hormones and the chemicals in their brains tell them to go after the big, burly asshole. Choosing the guy she wants over the guy her body tells her to want is a matter of willpower over instinct. And females arent reknowned for their willpower.
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RandalFlagg Stranger Registered: 06/15/02 Posts: 15,608 |
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Women chew nice guys up and spit them out when they meet a guy with a bigger dick and a faster car. hehehe I tend to have some misogynist feelings as well. Most of the women I have met are lazy and selfish. I think it is because of our culture. Women are coddled more than men and therefore are not held responsible for a lot of their behavior. They get away with a hell of a lot more than we do. Some things I have noticed about most of the girls I have met: If you are nice to them they will not appreciate you. If you treat them like shit they will love and cling to you. If you are in a relationship with one of them and you allow her any type of freedom at all, she will cheat on you; it is inevitable. They are completely ruled by their emotions. Unfortunately their emotions are fickle and they get bored very very easily. They are usually lazy. The only things they do aggressively are try to get attention from guys and watch TV. They are demanding and unreasonable. They will get annoyed/sad/ angry if you do not spend every second with them, and when you do spend every second with them, they get sick of you and start looking for another guy to fuck. They are manipulative. They use their charms to get what they want i.e. lots of attention, shiny things, money, and not having to work. They are self-righteous. They are incapable of examining themselves objectively and perceiving that they might have acted inappropriately. ....I know exactly where you are coming from I wish I was gay sometimes.
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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"Of course, you could disagree with science, but if you choose to do so, I would ask you to stop driving your car, turn off your a/c, and stop eating refrigerated food. "
It is a psychology book. She confirms? Bwahahahahaha. Science? Bwahahahaha. Enough said. yes, and those of my friends. First hand information is often the most accurate. Unless we twist it with our biases and "perceptions" I should have also mentioned that I study psychology, and have done so for many years. I read a lot of research (experiments, studies, etc). I should say I have a few friends in long term relationships, but they always seem to be symbiotic, more of a mutual exchange than love. More opinion, eh? If I really like a girl, I try to press for longevity in relationships, but its a very taxing game, and even if I win, I still feel unloved. Men seem to want to go after the wrong women for the wrong reasons. They have been raised in a society where barbie dolls and kate moss are the norm, that is all they see. I believe their dating choices reflect that desire to assimilate, instead of the desire to originate love. I have been with all kinds of girls. No matter how different they were, a common thread ran through them. Straight edge or dope fiend, religious or atheist, rich or poor, most of the women I have met have cared only for themselves and didnt respect my feelings. What is the common denominator in this picture? You. They were women you picked. Some men do it because they arent psychologically or emotionally ready to deal with commitment. I have known quite a few male friends that have done this at periods in their life. With the exact same words you are using. I find it pretty funny in light of this post, that one of them is getting married in less then two weeks to a truly amazing person. He's 25. you're right. I should have said "bitches are only for fucking... and wasting money on." Yer a misogynist. Period. I honestly think that any of the ladies that I hang out with would come to the same conclusion from your posts. Again, I cant speak for anyone else.. but as women, we have learned how to pick up the signs.  Ive read your posts for quite awhile now. It didnt take just that one comment for me to arrive at that conclusion. It was just the easiest to cut and paste. BTW, a bitch isnt a woman. A bitch is a bitch. If she proves to me she is a lady, I will treat her like one. Until then, she's just a bitch to me. I'm the same way with men too, btw. Dont mistake misanthropy for sexism. It is not acceptable to refer to women with the name they use to label female dogs. If you think women are dogs, that is cool for you. But again, you will stay alone or in shitty relationships. You say until she proves to me that she is a lady...You have never treated me like a lady.. I mean, Ive never proved myself to be slutty or whatnot.. But I speak my mind and I dont stand for shit.. I often conflict with your opinion, so I guess that cancels my lady status...so you obviously have some misogynistic tendencies, and this is from personal experience. Not mistaking outside tendencies you may have. Only the ones you have exerted on me. I've been a better person. I've been sensitive and caring, moreso than you would probably guess. Didn't get me anything but heartbreak. The only reason women want men to be more sensitive is so they can use us and walk on us like doormats. Hey, if when you get your emotions you are a whining sniviling doormat, Ill sure as hell walk over you and wipe my muddy feet in the process. I need a man, with a spine, a brain and a heart. If you get into relationships and try so hard to keep them, even at your peril then you deserve what you let happen. Falling in love has never been a decision I have made. You need to learn a little more about male emotions. Maybe then you might realize why guys don't want to hang out with a girl they know is taken Falling in love doesnt have to be a stupid decision, you definately have some control over the people in your lives and of your own emotions. I think that when you are young, it doesnt feel like it. But believe it or not, you do. As for the guys not hanging out with a girl they know is taken. Nah, I do not understand that. So, I guess that means that females are only good for fucking.. right? Until moving to Texas, I had a group of about 15 guys that I hung around with atleast 4 nights a week. I was usually the only female. There were occasionally 2 other gurls that came and went. They knew I was taken. I was taken when I met them for the very first time but there is absolutely no problem with that. They were just stoked to hang out with a female that gets high and doesnt have a constant stick up her ass.. or that doesnt act all ditzy and stupid when around males. These guys are my best friends (besides gw- my soulmate ), I talked to them about alot of shit. They held car doors open and gave me the green rip always.. they were gentleman. I begin to realize more and more that they are one of a kind and that Im tremendously lucky to have them in my life if "normal" guys dont want to hang around with women that are taken, if all they are after is hooking up. I dont mean to be terribly offensive here. But I will say this. Ive grown up in Texas, went to college here.. and then got the fuck out. Men here really seem to have a few screws loose. I tell GW about some of the men that I knew or dated and he is flabbergasted. I dunno what it is.. but it fascinates me, Im going to look at studies about it.. 7 of the 8 people I kept in touch with from HS married someone nonsouthern. The one that did marry a texas man is so unhappy it makes me want to cry. College buddies, everyone got the hell out of Texas and never looked back- 2 couples from college got married, but all of the females I still keep in touch with that have gotten married married out of the south. Except the twins, who married two best friends from oklahoma. sorry, I'm not into religious prudes and sexual naivetie. I like having sex. I dont appreciate that women dont seem to respect the emotional bond it creates. There is a difference between "not being a slut" and being a chaste prude. If you want an emotional bond, why not try having sex with someone you have an emotional bond with? Seems like a nobrainer to me women make guys to all this work just to get with them. We have to initialize first contact. We have to pay for everything. We have to entertain her. By the time we get laid, there's been all this build up that has attatched us to the girl, but by that time, she's gotten everything she wanted from us. A few nice dinners, a little entertainment, and a fuck. She knows she can start the whole thing over again with one of a million guys that hit on her every day. You think that all a woman wants is dinners and to be fucked by some guy who probably doesnt give her any pleasure to begin with? And you say Im out of touch with the male psyche? If you think that women have so little value for themselves that your scenario is true then ... no wonder. I wont even go any farther on this one. It was easy to do when I was younger. Women have robbed me of this ability by meeting every attempt at a loving committed relationship with scandalous, slutty behavior. Boo fucking hoo. Im sorry, but you deserve it then. That is such a piss poor lazy excuse. To put your whole emotional future in someone else's hands or actions. Grow a spine. Im so tired of spineless men. Can you accept that? Can you believe that deep down I'm a nice guy that just wants to settle down and be in love with a girl who can give it back equally? Yeah, I can. But I think you are going about it the entirely wrong way and playing some sick and twisted blame game. Again, Im sure alot of it is immaturity. They put your hero Jesus on the cross because he was a nice guy. Nice guys finish last. Its basic human nature. Women chew nice guys up and spit them out when they meet a guy with a bigger dick and a faster car Um, they put Jesus on a cross because he was the Son of God. Have you read the Bible? Obviously not if you are trying to use that to justify that whole bullocks about how nice guys finish last. I spent most of my life dating shitty men, I let myself stay in situations that I shouldnt have. I thought I could fix people.. if only I could love them enough... yadda yadda. Then I met GW and he is just about one of the nicest guys you will ever meet. He didnt have a fast car, unless you consider a Samauri a fast car.. He didnt have alot of money. But he's a good man and I didnt walk all over him... I loved him and he treated me with respect .. there was no trying to get into my pants. No expectations that built up from him buying me dinner or whatnot.. because sex wasnt his motive. He is a nice guy and I often wonder what in the hell I did to deserve him in my life. See, that is the thing. You seem to think you are owed something. Men want girls that like them, and will appreciate them. Do you have any idea how it feels to be the one who bears the burden of the entire relationship? Just once, I would like a girl to buy ME a drink. Or start a conversation. I want a girl who cares about me as much as I care about her. I'm sick of being asked to take all of the initiative. Boohoo again! In a relationship there are two people. They both bear the weight of the relationship.. I love how you use words like burden and cant understand that you project.. but anyway... I've bought men drinks. Ive been in many groups of ladies that sent drinks over to men. Ive started many conversations. Ive cared as much about other people and sometimes even more.. Initiative? That could be a smile, a look... lingerie.. it could be a whole host of things. Stop making yourself out to be this person who does everything and gets nothing in return. Cant you see how if that is the case, you perpetuate it? Some women are shitty, I have no doubt, but every woman isnt. BTW, women want attention because they are inherently emotionally self-centered, like all human beings (men, too!). Look it up in your nearest psych book. Why would I look it up? It's commonsense that humans want attention due to emotions. And heaven forbid I stand up for MY rights and feelings, because then I'm a "sexist pig" who "treats women like shit and bitches about how they are such bitches" In the same token, if that is the way it is, women too are able to call a spade a spade. I dont see how that statement exudes anything but the truth. If you want to be treated like an equal that means being treated like an equal. No opening doors, no paying for meals, and why don't YOU ask a guy out for a change instead of making him do all the legwork? Have you looked up the definition of "chivalry" in the middle ages yet? The reason women were given certain courtesies was because they had no legal rights!!! You want chivalry, fine: say goodbye to voting, equal pay, and legal recourse. You can't have equality AND privilege. Oh, and you have advanced so far in intellect and humanity since the middle ages. Something to be very proud of. You dont seem to understand that rights are universal. That doesnt make someone less black, less female, less anything. It's not about wanting to be a man.. it's about wanting to have inalienable rights and still be a woman. Just because you want rights as a human, it doesnt council out who we are. That is ridiculous. In an enlightened society all humans can have equal rights. So, by your thinking. I guess blacks cant have equal rights either. I treat women with the same respect I treat men. And not an iota more. Respect I will give you. Reverence, I will not. Have fun being unattached. Im sure you will be able to enjoy it for quite some time with your "opinions". --------------------
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Zero7a1 Leaving YourWast Registered: 10/23/02 Posts: 3,594 Loc: Passing Cloud |
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Quote: Im going to see if i understand what you are saying... So you mean that... it is more of the fact that women choose to be vulnerable where they are, and then they decide to claim that they have been taken advantage of , or not given equal rights? If you point is kind of like that, than i must agree with you, and here is why. I think when this situation comes up with people who have an education and are fairly decent people, that the whole gender issue becomes rediculous and may be just a scape goat for a lacking in some area of their life. Granted there are plenty of women in this world who are mis treated and can do virtually nothing about it (if they do, their husbands are reserved the right to kill them... stuff like that). BUt on a social standpoint in america, with women who know more than enough about the rights they have, to pull the "sexist" card is rediculous. People do this all the time, whether it be because of their race, sexual preference, or their religuous beliefs, people always find a way to escape the truth and claim a "minority" than truely facing up to the bullshit and pain associated with the fact that they might be wrong about something. Its easy for people to sit back and say that it is someone elses fault than taking responsibility. But i believe that in a lot of situations and most of and more than anything it is peoples own shitty nature that causes this turmoil. It is america! Half the population is over weight! ----- I think this is where you are getting at am i right? ------ ----------- -------------------- What?
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: please read the source before berating it. And i made a mistake in calling it a psych book. I had to read it for an evolutionary psych class in undergrad. Its really an evolutionary biology book. Its all about sex. It is a highly acclaimed book. The only reason I could think of you not agreeing with its logic is religious bias. There is a biological conflit of interest between males and females when it comes to sex. Women have a biological urge to sleep with many men to ensure their egg gets fertilized. Men have a biological drive to ensure that only his sperm penetrate his lady's egg. This is accepteded scientific fact and is completely logical. Can you accept that? Sorry if science doesnt jibe with your opinion. Science doesnt have opinions, sweetheart. Quote: Good psychological studies have no bias. And my opinion comes from years of training and study. Quote: This makes no sense in light of what I said. I've already told you that I want a commitment. Why would I choose girls that were specifically incapable of it? Women are the limiting reagent in the equation that is a committed relationship. Dont think for a second that you are the first one to question my taste in women. I have already examined this factor. Which is why I have made an effort to date all kinds of women, from all walks of life. I have dated women selected for me by others- sometimes the selector has been a woman herself. A dmit it. YOU are biased. You dont want to admit that my problems with women are caused by anyone but myself. I have thought that I was the problem, too. I have tried to bend every which way for women... but I always end up broken. Quote: Sure. But not inherently. Its something I picked up from women. Seems like the more experience i have, the more cynical I get. Quote: No you're not a slut (although I would call posting a picture of your legs while being engaged an act of bad judgement). You also seem relatively intelligent. But your demands of men are way too high for me to ever respect you. Not to mention I have seen you spout more generalized insults and fallacious arguements than most of the men on this board. Go read that DFW thread again. Do you not realize how much you come off as a bitch? Quote: How sensitive of you. I can see why they call ladies the "fairer sex". And why is it that you want men to be sensitive to your feelings, yet we cant have feelings of our own? You do realize that men have feelings, just like you, right? We have the same desires, fears, and it hurts us just as much when someone steps on them. Only spineless men would give in to your demands. Quote: Do you know how difficult it is for a man to be "just friends" with a girl he is attracted to? The only girl friends (and nothing more) that I have are girls I would never think of sleeping with. Men don't want to hang out with women that are taken not because thry only want sex, but because they dont want to set themselves up for heartbreak by accidentally falling for a girl they cant have. A lot of girls that break up with me want to be "just friends" and I cant do it. I cant be in love with a girl and just look the other way when she's fucking my friends. Men dont fall in love lightly. We tend to take the idea of love a lot more seriously than women do. Quote: Another generalized insult. And how come you can form an opinion of men from past experiences, but I cant do the same for women? Quote: I'm saying, sex CREATES an emotional bond, for men at least. After I've slept with a girl I am more attached to her. I care about her more. Even little things she does, pointless hobbies she has intrigue me. I think its a biological thing. I would adapt by forcing myself to be less attached, but commitment is supposed to be what women want... right? Quote: And I'm tired of insensitive, selfish women who ask more than they give. Quote: thats what a trusting relationship based on love is. I have given many women my heart, and they have abused the privilege. Are you saying that I should close myself off? Never let women in? What kind of relationships would I have, then? Quote: What do YOU think I should do, then. (something tells me this will be good for a laugh) Quote: Yes I have read the Bible. And the Gnostic writings. I have studied Christianity, Kabalah, Taoism, Buddhism, Hindu, Islam, and many occult teachings. If you want to get a in a theological or philosophical debate, you could choose a partner that is more in your league. Quote: I'm not making myself out to be anything, only reporting fact. I have been the nice, caring, sensitive guy that all women profess to want, and it hasnt gotten me anywhere. Meanwhile, I see men who are complete assholes pick up women and maintain longterm relationships with them. What am I supposed to think? Should I keep on doing what i know doesnt work, or follow the lead of the guys who are successful? (Not that I would ever want a relationship in which I had to be a domineer. Women are not pets. If I wanted a pet, I would get a new cat) The rest of your arguements dont need me to berate them. They do a nice job of berating themselves. Here's a link you might find helpful: http://gncurtis.home.texas.net/m I'm getting sick of arguing this with you. You seem to have your own misogyny going on. Perhaps you could get some other females in here to give their perspectives on this? I was wondering why no other females have tried to contest my points. Perhaps they are too weak to defend their position 
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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Im going to see if i understand what you are saying... So you mean that... it is more of the fact that women choose to be vulnerable where they are, and then they decide to claim that they have been taken advantage of , or not given equal rights?
Oh yeah, and its not any bit the fault of a man that says his problems witth women are based solely upon the women. I think when this situation comes up with people who have an education and are fairly decent people, that the whole gender issue becomes rediculous and may be just a scape goat for a lacking in some area of their life. Agreed, when we blame our problems on something else, never acknowledging our own lackings.. we make issues scape goats because we dont wish to deal with ourselves. This is not relegated to just one sex. It's a human trait. Granted there are plenty of women in this world who are mis treated and can do virtually nothing about it (if they do, their husbands are reserved the right to kill them... stuff like that). How many men are kept in shitty relationships with women by force.. how many men cannot escape? Just out of curiousity. BUt on a social standpoint in america, with women who know more than enough about the rights they have, to pull the "sexist" card is rediculous. So, let me make sure I have this right. Because women now have been granted more civil rights.. that automatically means that they cant be treated with sexism.. because they have more rights, sexism is just annuled? People do this all the time, whether it be because of their race, sexual preference, or their religuous beliefs, people always find a way to escape the truth and claim a "minority" than truely facing up to the bullshit and pain associated with the fact that they might be wrong about something. So, being a woman is wrong.. or being muslim or christian or gay.. those are all wrong and we should all face up to the personal pain of not being a hetrosexual white male? Its easy for people to sit back and say that it is someone elses fault than taking responsibility. But i believe that in a lot of situations and most of and more than anything it is peoples own shitty nature that causes this turmoil. Yeah it is, as evidenced by this thread. We choose our perceptions ultimately. It's just a shame to rule out a whole subset of people because you cant get past your own deficits, your own complicity. --------------------
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Phluck Carpal Tunnel  Registered: 04/10/99 Posts: 11,394 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 months, 22 days |
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"When i say: "Women are sluts," this is not a stereotypical bias. This is something i have learned from personal experience. I wouldn't think that way if so many women hadn't fucked me over."
Generalizing on the basis of your own experience alone is stupidity. "Women have called me a "player", because I sleep around and avoid emotional attachment. Whats funny is that I would like nothing more than a steady, committed relationship. I have yet to find a woman capable of this. Women are the real players. Men just do it to protect themselves. " Maybe you just have shitty tastes. Most women, of course, say that it's the men who are the cheaters. Women surely cheat and sleep around for the same reasons men do. Being a bigot does not necessarily mean learning a bias from others around you, often people leap to moronic conclusions based only on their experiences. If the only encounters you've had with blacks were when they robbed you, it would be likely that you might come to the conclusion that all blacks are criminals. This is just as stupid as the assumption you've made. -------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: Exactly. When boys are growing up, their dad tells them: "you aint shit, boy. You gotta get out there and make yourself something, cuz aint no one gonna do it for you." But that same Dad will tell his daughter something completly different: "You're a little princess. you should be pampered by everyone, and men should be your slave." Women grow up and are always trying to replace their father's role as a caregiver. This is Fruedian, and although many of Freud's ideas have been discounted, he was right about some things. For example, studies have confirmed that women tend to be physically attracted to men with similar genes to thir fathers'. Quote: Are you reading, PsiloKitten? Are you learning? Or are you closing yourself off to it? These are REAL MEN, with REAL FEELINGS, pouring their hearts out in public. You dont get this chance to learn very often. Quote:  your whole post is pretty agreeable.
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Phluck Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/10/99 Posts: 11,394 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 months, 22 days |
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"Of course, you could disagree with science, but if you choose to do so, I would ask you to stop driving your car, turn off your a/c, and stop eating refrigerated food. "
This is probably the stupidest thing I've seen posted in this forum, and fuck the "Be Nice" policy, but you're a moron, and you don't have the slightest idea what science is. First of all, disagreeing with a theory does not mean you're disagreeing with science. The woman has a theory, with a scientific basis. If you were to do some more research, which you obviously didn't, you would find out that there are other theories out there, with just as much, or more solid scientific basis. The common theory goes like this: Men want to spread their genetics. This is why they have an increased sex drive. Before civilization, it was not likely that a woman would live long enough to give birth to more than a single child. So she gets pregnant, and the man is free to impregnate more women. You can see this model in action with, say gorillas. Their groups usually consist of a single silverback male, and a harem of females, all of which he has sex with. Sure you can disagree with this, but then you'd have to kill your mother, castrate a goat, and set fire to your neighbour's car. "Conversely, Males have an evolutionary incentive to protect their genetics, even at the cost of another male's. This is why men are possesive." How does being posessive of a woman protect your genetics? Maybe when she's pregnant this makes sense... There are lots of good women out there. You've had bad luck, so you assume they're all evil harpies. That's just dumb. -------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: you're right. But a lot of other men will back me up on what I have said. Personal experiences are just the most painful lessons that stick out in my mind. My origional post was flawed in that I did not list the other data that backs my opinion up. Quote: then I guess all the men AND women who have set me up with girls have bad taste as well.
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: Disagreeing with my arguement = fine. Saying I have no idea what science is, well, thats just bad arguing. Quote: You're right. I was too harsh on that one. But I have yet to hear her come up with an alternate theory. Quote: dont make assumptions about what I have and havent studied. There is a lot of data that backs up what I am saying. Its more than just a theory, there is a great deal of truth to it. Quote: I bet that gorilla is going to be possesive over the females he sleeps with. He wont let another male come near them. He doesnt want his women having their babies. Quote: Did you know that in some species, the male has a psuedo-phallus, the purpose of which is to scrape out the other males' sperm from the vagina before intercourse? Males dont want other males fertilizing their partners. Those females are for bearing THEIR genetics, not another males'
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Phluck Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/10/99 Posts: 11,394 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 months, 22 days |
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Yes, men are posessive of their women, I've never disagreed with that, women are also posessive of their men. I don't see how this makes females more promiscuous than men.
Sure, you're going to find a bunch of men who will say they've had lots of bad experiences with women. That's life, relationships are shitty things, and they almost always end in mutual disrespect. This forums has a hell of a lot more women than men, so naturally you're going to get a lot more men sharing their stories. However, if you were to go and talk to women, you'd hear about how all men are pigs, and how they treat women like shit, and how there's not a single decent man out there, etc... These women are being just as stupid as you are. The problem is that humans are strange, and we're assholes. When you sleep around, you're just defending yourself from the evils of woman. Of course when they sleep around, they're all a bunch of sluts. Here's a tip, if you want to defend yourself from sluts, a good way to start would be to stop sleeping around. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that the best way to find sluts is to sleep around. If you don't want women who want to be treated like princesses, don't date stuck up sluts. There are many reasonable and respectable women out there who are prepared for a decent relationship. I've met them. I've dated them. "Disagreeing with my arguement = fine. Saying I have no idea what science is, well, thats just bad arguing." Not if it's true. Let's look at something else you've said: "There is a lot of data that backs up what I am saying. Its more than just a theory, there is a great deal of truth to it." Actually, yeah, it is just a theory. There are respectable scientists who will disagree with it, and have their own theories. There is very little in science that is "more than just a theory", and if you had knowledge of the scientific process you would know this. Therefore, you know little about science. Even if this theory is right on the dot, this does not mean that women are all "sluts". -------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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please read the source before berating it. And i made a mistake in calling it a psych book. I had to read it for an evolutionary psych class in undergrad. Its really an evolutionary biology book. Its all about sex. It is a highly acclaimed book. The only reason I could think of you not agreeing with its logic is religious bias.
Oh come on! This is the type of shit that you'd get in the educational system here. I've read the book, it's a psychology book, darlink.. in the sense that It's a theory... a bunch of opinions put together. You act like its a bunch of scientific studies. Its a friggin opinion book. I cannot believe that this is the book you are using to substanciate your views. Religious bias? How bout common sense and personal experience. You can try to turn me into a fundamentalist Christian all you want, but it aint so. There is a biological conflit of interest between males and females when it comes to sex. Women have a biological urge to sleep with many men to ensure their egg gets fertilized. Men have a biological drive to ensure that only his sperm penetrate his lady's egg. This is accepteded scientific fact and is completely logical. Can you accept that? Sorry if science doesnt jibe with your opinion. Science doesnt have opinions, sweetheart. If Judson is your idea of science, wow. That's all I can really say about that. She writes letters to herself ala Dr Ruth from various animals and insects and then she interprets the loaded questions. Why dont you point us to some more "scientific" fact other then Judson? JUDSON? Yer obviously not a biology major, eh? Why dont you go ask some biology majors what they think of Judson? Good psychological studies have no bias. And my opinion comes from years of training and study. Why dont you give us something a bit more concrete then Judson then? Im sorry, its hard to type when Im laughing this hard. Thanks for making me smile today. This makes no sense in light of what I said. I've already told you that I want a commitment. Why would I choose girls that were specifically incapable of it? Women are the limiting reagent in the equation that is a committed relationship. I have no idea why you do what you do.. but again.. you are the common denominator in this scenario. You should deal with that. Dont think for a second that you are the first one to question my taste in women. I have already examined this factor. Which is why I have made an effort to date all kinds of women, from all walks of life. I have dated women selected for me by others- sometimes the selector has been a woman herself. Admit it. YOU are biased. You dont want to admit that my problems with women are caused by anyone but myself. I have thought that I was the problem, too. I have tried to bend every which way for women... but I always end up broken. Im trying not to be biased. Im not saying you are supposed to bend every which way. Im saying you are supposed to not be a doormat. You are supposed to value you and not even get into those situations. That doesnt mean you should go to the other extreme, which is where you appear to be heading. Sure. But not inherently. Its something I picked up from women. Seems like the more experience i have, the more cynical I get. Atleast you acknowledge you are a misogynist. You didnt pick it up from women.. Transfer blame, go ahead, it should solve alot. It is how you decided to process your experiences. It's what YOU decided to become. Not what someone made you. No you're not a slut (although I would call posting a picture of your legs while being engaged an act of bad judgement). Heh, the fiance took the picture. It was a picture of crossed legs. I mean, come on.. have you watched tv or stepped out of your house and seen a billboard lately. Yer so chaste now. What happened? Considering your earlier comments in this thread. You also seem relatively intelligent. But your demands of men are way too high for me to ever respect you. My demands are the reason why I have no lack of men in my life that have respect for me. They dont mind having to be gentleman. It's really not alot to ask. Not to mention I have seen you spout more generalized insults and fallacious arguements than most of the men on this board. Okay Mr. All Women are Sluts Go read that DFW thread again. Do you not realize how much you come off as a bitch? No, I dont. As Ive told you, there are only a handfull of women that come into this testosterone filled zone. They are often put in very shitty situations. Why not ask Del about her stalker.. or talk to Jenny about her experiences with men on the shroomery.. or Leelu, maybe even Littleshroom. I can think of stories that I have heard of all these women that speak for the need for caution. That speak to the fact that there are some crappy people out there with fucked up motives. Not everyone is like that. But honestly, when I post in a thread that Id like to come to a gathering because I just moved to an area. Then I proceed to get slammed with messages.. Then, I ask if there are any girls coming..and then a bunch of shit is talked about how women are for fucking.. lesbians that just want dick.. yadda yadda. Then I ask, if any of them have girlfriends because atleast then I wouldnt feel the brunt of the testosterone that they were displaying and I get more messages... and then, when the whole thing is settled and Im like, cool GW and I will be there.. and MULTIPLE people PM me back and all basically say.. well, if you have a boyfriend, why are you coming?.. or if you have a boyfriend, why did you ask if we had gfs?.. as if my question was some fucked up come on. As if Im only good to attend because I possess a cunt that is ready and waiting for some filling. Not because Im a shroomerite. I honestly, in light of the messages and tone feel uncomfortable with the thought of meeting these people alone. If you dont understand that, Im not surprised, you are not a woman. I urged caution based on my experiences and I think I would be remiss if I hadnt. Again, I have met alot of shroomerites, all over the world. None of them ever reacted in this way or gave me such shitty feelings. I think that speaks to something regarding their actions. I dont think all men are like that, but the ones I had direct knowledge of in this situation sure as fuck are and the ones I didnt have direct knowledge of behaved in a manner that made me understand why they hung around with they others. If you feel that being honest is being a bitch. Guilty as charged. How sensitive of you. I can see why they call ladies the "fairer sex". Because I want a man who accepts responsibility for himself, picks his ass up and moves along? Not someone that spends all their time complaining about how society has wronged them and how women are sluts and yadda yadda? Okey dokey And why is it that you want men to be sensitive to your feelings, yet we cant have feelings of our own? You can have all the feelings you want. But they are yer feelings. Stop blaming others. You do realize that men have feelings, just like you, right? We have the same desires, fears, and it hurts us just as much when someone steps on them. I do indeed. That is neither here nor there, I dont blame my life on men. I blame it on the decisions Ive made and I accept responsibility for them. If emotions make you a sniveling ineffective person, then I have issue with you, be you man or woman. Only spineless men would give in to your demands. Heh, actually, it takes a strong man to put up with me I acknowledge that. But luckily, I dont have to make demands because I have a fantastic man. I mean, seriously.. you can be gentleman. It isnt that hard. With mutal respect, we work together.Do you know how difficult it is for a man to be "just friends" with a girl he is attracted to? What, you think isnt hard for women? You dont even know if you will be attracted to someone that you havent even taken the time to know! Unless you just base all your decisions on looks. But they can be decieving. The only girl friends (and nothing more) that I have are girls I would never think of sleeping with. Men don't want to hang out with women that are taken not because thry only want sex, but because they dont want to set themselves up for heartbreak by accidentally falling for a girl they cant have. Then why do I have so many male friends that I have great relationships with? As such, I've even ran into this problem and with communication, it has never gotten out of hand. Im still friends with people who wanted more. They have learned to deal with things because the trade off in having a great friend in their life is alot better then not having one. You are lucky if you find a handful of true friends in your life. To cut yourself off from over half of those possible encounters due to your inability to have everything you want keeps you from having some truly amazing things. A lot of girls that break up with me want to be "just friends" and I cant do it. I cant be in love with a girl and just look the other way when she's fucking my friends. Men dont fall in love lightly. We tend to take the idea of love a lot more seriously than women do. I agree, I cant do the friends thing after breaking up. I also think that chicks who interfuck within groups are a bizzare concept. And yes, Im aware that men dont generally fall in love lightly. You are more guarded with your hearts, I think that is why you become so devastated when things dont work out.. men tend to become cynical and jaded, continuing to perpetuate the cycle. I dont think you take the idea of love more seriously then women do, however. I just think that because it is something that you are so guarded with, it's ending makes more of an impact for you. (you being men) Another generalized insult. And how come you can form an opinion of men from past experiences, but I cant do the same for women? This is what I said. I said seem, I said that Id like to see some studies. I give my experience that has led me to gander on. I say, I dont mean to be offensive. I dont say. Women are sluts. Women are only for fucking. Im open to meeting people, Im not prejudging.: I dont mean to be terribly offensive here. But I will say this. Ive grown up in Texas, went to college here.. and then got the fuck out. Men here really seem to have a few screws loose. I tell GW about some of the men that I knew or dated and he is flabbergasted. I dunno what it is.. but it fascinates me, Im going to look at studies about it.. 7 of the 8 people I kept in touch with from HS married someone nonsouthern. The one that did marry a texas man is so unhappy it makes me want to cry. College buddies, everyone got the hell out of Texas and never looked back- 2 couples from college got married, but all of the females I still keep in touch with that have gotten married married out of the south. Except the twins, who married two best friends from oklahoma. I'm saying, sex CREATES an emotional bond, for men at least. After I've slept with a girl I am more attached to her. I care about her more. Even little things she does, pointless hobbies she has intrigue me. I think its a biological thing. I would adapt by forcing myself to be less attached, but commitment is supposed to be what women want... right? See, the thing is, even though sex can create an emotional bond for men... the emotional bond is supposed to exist before sex. Sex is supposed to be the result of that. Women are not like men, they cannot give themselves completely and then go back and pick up from the beginning. There needs to be a foundation. Or else its all just a bunch of empty motion, not emotion. I think that most women do want commitment, but we build up psychological barriers. We do the wrong things to try to get commitment and in the end, even if the commitment is there, it's hollow, because we have sold ourselves way too short. And I'm tired of insensitive, selfish women who ask more than they give. What I said is insensitive, Ill admit it. But Im sorry.. I cannot fathom how an intelligent capable person like yourself can sit around and throw a pity party for himself and prejudge all women and refer to them in such vulgar terms. I apologize. thats what a trusting relationship based on love is. I have given many women my heart, and they have abused the privilege. Are you saying that I should close myself off? Never let women in? What kind of relationships would I have, then? I dont belive that you have to give anyone power over you to be in a relationship. They dont have to have power over your emotions either. Im not saying to close yourself off. Im simply saying to only give what is deserved. To be aware of what is going on, instead of being blindly in love. What do YOU think I should do, then. Garner some self esteem. Realize your self worth and not settle for less then that Yes I have read the Bible. And the Gnostic writings. I have studied Christianity, Kabalah, Taoism, Buddhism, Hindu, Islam, and many occult teachings. If you want to get a in a theological or philosophical debate, you could choose a partner that is more in your league. Good for you, I guess you have started your search for spirituality then. I didnt bring up Jesus, again.. you did. In a very condescending way. I simply wanted to clear up your obvious misconception about Christ since it didnt appear you had read the Bible. I think it is sad that you dont even know me.. you dont know what Ive read, where Ive been or what Ive done.. but you seem to think Im not worthy of your learned "league". Yer above so many, DoctorJ.. who is worthy enough to even date you? Between the sluts and the percieved educational/psychological/spirit The rest of your arguements dont need me to berate them. They do a nice job of berating themselves. Here's a link you might find helpful: http://gncurtis.home.texas.net/m Heh, okey dokey.  I'm getting sick of arguing this with you. You seem to have your own misogyny going on. Perhaps you could get some other females in here to give their perspectives on this? I was wondering why no other females have tried to contest my points. Perhaps they are too weak to defend their position Havent you gotten it yet? Women dont come around here that often because of shit like this. Or perhaps, because for the most part, they dont give a shit about the men like you. They have already written them off. Hello, anyone home? --------------------
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: Yes, thats why i really dont sleep around much anyomre. I got sick of getting burned. No I'm justy lonely, and all the women I meet tend to ring that "slut" bell in my head. yes, you are right about the double standard when it comes to sluttiness. Heres some other double standards I have noticed: I have never hit a woman. Plenty of women have hit me, and think this is acceptable behavior, but if I were to hit them (even in self defense) they would go right to the police. I have never been unfaithful to a committed relationship. Plenty of women have cheated on me, and told me to "Get over it." I have never manipulated a woman into anything. Plenty of women have manipulated me or my friends, and have been very unapologetic about it. Their pussy is their ticket to ride. When I say I want a certain kind of woman, I will follow through with that behaviorally. I will not say I want one kind of woman and then go after another. Women do this all the time. Maybe my standards for humanity are too high. Maybe its not a problem with women, but a problem with people, that I have. Still, I have met a lot more trustworthy men than women. Remember, I'm only working with the data that I have. I hope there are decent women out there, but I have yet to meet one. And this includes my female "just friends." Quote: God, I hope so. And I hope that by the time I meet one, I still have a piece of my heart left from all the multitudes of women who have disrespected it. Quote: certainly not. You're right. But I do think most women have a genetic proclivity for promiscuity. They have deep-seated biological urges that push them in this direction. Of course, the choice is theirs. If you've read my posts, you know that I despise determinism. Women have a choice in the matter, but in my experience, they dont often take that choice. Quote: Sure, there is a lot of theory in science. There are also a lot of concrete absolutes that we know of. It might just be a theory, but it is the curently accepted theory until someone comes up with something that fits the data better. Please dont say I know little about science just becauyse I have read a lot and am willing to endorse a very logical theory that fits all the data we currently have.
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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Ill have to dig up the multitudes of scientific theorists who believe men are promiscuous because of the need to spread their seed and that women are by nature not promiscuous because of their desire to make sure the womb is a pure environment. Or about how men produce thousands of sperm.. but women release one egg a month.. yadda yadda.
Then we can call that science too.. and we can all sit here and scratch our heads. --------------------
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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"There are lots of good women out there. You've had bad luck, so you assume they're all evil harpies. That's just dumb."
Are you reading, DoctorJ? Are you learning? Or are you closing yourself off to it? These are REAL MEN, with REAL FEELINGS, pouring their hearts out in public. You dont get this chance to learn very often. --------------------
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Zero7a1 Leaving YourWast Registered: 10/23/02 Posts: 3,594 Loc: Passing Cloud |
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No... I understand there are things i have done wrong. And sadly it seems when i come to realize the things that have gone wrong, i am left without the person who i was with to help me to realize those things. Instead i was left without someone to give me an objective view point of myself. I heard emotional resonses, but i did not hear an objective viewpoint of what i had done wrong, and consequently could not form a basis for what i had done wrong. NOt to say that occurance wasnt to blame on me... or that it was anyone to cast blame upon. But for my inferance on this certain issue, i am not speaking for all women, or about all women, my point was on a specific set of typified women that me and dr. J seem to have encountered. Or at least seem to understand that some people choose to pull a scape goat instead of dealing with the real issues. And in this case sense this is an emotional issue, im going to have to give it to both sides who argue that it is the other persons fault, and consequently try to badger the other person in an attempts to feel justified in their position. Thats human nature. I did not say that all women were that way, i said some, sorry if it came out otherwise.
Quote: there are plenty of manipulated men in the world, i will not tell you they even sum in comparisson to that on the opposite side. But what does it matter? People still use and manipulate eachother. Quote: no not at all, it means that women dont have to think that they have to be a cookie cutting home maker wife and stay home all day. If they wish to not be attached to certain stigmas, then dont. Like the tao saying goes, "compete with no one, and no one can compete with you". I didnt not mean that just because we are in the 21st century that we are annuled from sub servience, or treated like shit. I get treated akwardly cause people think im weird. Weird people got burned at the stake, women were burned because people thought they were witches... People are still attacked because of what they believe. My point is you cant use that as an excuse, and instead of reverting to child like arguments about who is more abused, they can rise above and change their life style. Women in america dont have to depend on men, we are free to do what we want... Im a middle class white male... you know what that means for me? No financial aid. Does that help me, NO! It doesnt! Does it help my mom, a single white female who is a special ed teacher? No it doesnt. DOes that make me any less worthy to recieve financial aid? No, thats called bullshit. SO many people play their cards and by pass the system with ease, while people still try to be good people, but wherever they go they are given the dump of society to deal with. I have pain too, it has nothing to do with the color of my skin, or the house i live in. I do not define myself by physical means. I am me. People need to face up to the pain no matter what, because if we dont, we will continue to be controlled by outside influences. We will no longer be able to judge between what we feel, and the feelings other people give us. Its a viscious cycle. We decide when to break it. Quote: I try all the time to break out of my shell to understand people. But im not gonna bend over backwards for people who wont take the responsibility for coming to terms with their own short comings. Im trying to include all people in this, thats why i tried not to base my assertions on one broad category. There are radical people in all those sub set categories who choose to contradict themselves in their beliefs, and in return create the same condescending, limiting, controlling system which they tried to get away from in the first place. Sometimes people feel the need to re create the bad things that happen to them in their life, but put themselves in control of that , so they feel like they have something they know they can control. This is the same for both men and women or whatever human adjective you want to describe the human. -------------------- What?
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SkorpivoMusterion Livin in theTwilight Zone...  Registered: 01/30/03 Posts: 9,954 Loc: You can't spell |
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Quote: I totally relate to what you're saying here...its one of the things that I notice that is just TOO fuckin common amongst many women...and I find it disgusting and sickening...I cannot stand that..  That just..infuriates me. and thats all I have to say in this thread. Finito. -------------------- Coffee should be black as hell, strong as death, and sweet as love.
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Phluck Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/10/99 Posts: 11,394 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 months, 22 days |
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"I have never hit a woman. Plenty of women have hit me, and think this is acceptable behavior, but if I were to hit them (even in self defense) they would go right to the police."
Yes, in some ways this is a double standard. However, how often do you hear about a guy who is being controlled by physical violence from his girlfriend? I mean, it probably happens every now and then, but it's pretty fucking rare. The reason there are a lot more people speaking out against violence against women is because it happens a whole lot more often. "I have never been unfaithful to a committed relationship. Plenty of women have cheated on me, and told me to "Get over it."" I don't see how that's a double standard. Guys cheat and girls are told to "get over it" all the time. "I have never manipulated a woman into anything. Plenty of women have manipulated me or my friends, and have been very unapologetic about it. Their pussy is their ticket to ride." Again, not a double standard. Lots of women get manipulated by men all the time. I know some of these women. Sometimes I feel it's their own fault for being so stupid, perhaps the same goes for guys who get manipulated by girls. "certainly not. You're right. But I do think most women have a genetic proclivity for promiscuity. They have deep-seated biological urges that push them in this direction. Of course, the choice is theirs. If you've read my posts, you know that I despise determinism. Women have a choice in the matter, but in my experience, they dont often take that choice. " Then why are so many men sleeping around as well? Is it because they're just defending themselves from sluts, or is it because they also have urges? "Sure, there is a lot of theory in science. There are also a lot of concrete absolutes that we know of." We have a few "laws", but even laws have been disproven in the past. There are no concrete absolutes, everything is open for questioning. That is the basis of science. You've painted a picture of yourself that gives the impression that you are the flawless boyfriend, who is constantly being wronged by woman after woman. I have yet to meet anyone who has come out of a failed relationship who believes that they were the one who fucked up. It is always blamed on their partner. It seems unlikely that you've never done anything wrong. Sometimes, despite all good intentions, people get badly hurt by the actions of their boyfriend/girlfriend. A relationship is a delicate emotional situation for both parties, and blaming the other side is a lot easier than facing your own flaws. This is why you get men and women who believe that the opposite sex is composed entirely of no-good, dishonest slimeballs. -------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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Phluck Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/10/99 Posts: 11,394 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 months, 22 days |
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There are certain bad things that women commonly do to fuck up their relationships. Men know about these things, because these are problems they have to deal with. These are the problems they complain about, and if you talk to any group of men, they'll all nod in agreement and tell you the same reasons why women will destroy you.
It works the other way around though. There are common things that men do, that women know about, and talk about. Unless you've been in a few relationships with men, and it's probably a safe assumption to say that you haven't, you wouldn't know or understand what it's like for a woman. Judging by the complaints and stories I've heard from either side, I'd say it weighs out just about evenly. Also, I don't really see how you could stand a chance in a relationship if deep down you believe that the woman you're dating is a slut waiting for the opportunity to fuck you over. There's no way you could respect a woman if you're thinking that way. -------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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I see. Thanks for clarifying that. Although, I dont think you got the point of my post.
Im saying that we are responsible for what we accept from others. There is no blame. --------------------
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Phluck Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/10/99 Posts: 11,394 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 months, 22 days |
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"Im a middle class white male... you know what that means for me? No financial aid. Does that help me, NO! It doesnt!"
Not getting financial aid isn't helping you?! I'm shocked. "Does it help my mom, a single white female who is a special ed teacher? No it doesnt. DOes that make me any less worthy to recieve financial aid? No, thats called bullshit." If you're already living comfortably, then yes, it does make you less worthy of receiving financial aid. I'm all in favor of giving financial aid to POOR people, not MIDDLE CLASS people. If white men are getting so badly fucked over by these new systems, then why are there more white men in positions of power? How come the vast majority of elected officials or CEO's are white males? Why are women getting paid less, on average, for doing the same jobs men are? Advancements have certainly been made, but there's no way you can say that's it's not still a white man's world. -------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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Zero7a1 Leaving YourWast Registered: 10/23/02 Posts: 3,594 Loc: Passing Cloud |
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You take my point too far. My mom suffers plenty, she works 2 jobs, i work a job, and it isnt comfortable by any means. There are plenty of poor people that choose to be poor because they are lazy, and would rather not work and let the governemnt take care of them. I dont know if you live in america or not... but thats the way a lot of people are here. If a man or woman or family have been screwed by some circumstance, i think they should be given the money. But for people who choose to be lazy and do nothing, you think its alright to give them money?
Quote: did i make an such allusion to the topic of it being controlled by white men? My point was, is that just because i am considered a middle class white male, does not mean that i dont have hardships in my life. That why because of my label should i be ignored by the federal government for financial aid? Why can other middle class women, different ethnicities, homosexuals, be eligible for more things than me? Thats what i want to know. Like i said, i could care less about my skin color, or anything like that. Im simply exposing the bullshit that the federal goverment use to give money to certain people... why cant we all get money for schoo? for health insurance? I dont speak for white men, i speak for myself, and myself alone. thats what i was trying to get at... -------------------- What? Edited by Zero7a1 (10/19/03 08:15 PM)
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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GW and I were just discussing how amazed we were that the white male arguement hadnt came up and then I came back to find Zero's post.
I think you were telepathically in tune with our discussion. --------------------
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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I paid my own way, got scholarships (not aid) and loans and I dealt with it. Shortly before, oil had just busted and my family was going through some financial setbacks.
I did not bitch about what was going on. I worked 2, sometimes 3 jobs, and I got on with it. Nobody is guaranteed a handout and I dont begrudge anyone because they were lucky enough to get one. My family could have financially managed their money alot better. Middle class people have the ability to do that. Poor people dont have that option. But you are right.. education should be free. Healthcare should be free. Then we would have alot less division. --------------------
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Phluck Carpal Tunnel Registered: 04/10/99 Posts: 11,394 Loc: Canada Last seen: 5 months, 22 days |
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Well, people looked into it. They found that women, and people of different ethnicities were not being given equal treatment or consideration, so they made rules giving them some bonuses, to try and even things out.
The majority of poor people are not poor because they are lazy. As a matter of fact, some of the lowest paying jobs are also the most strenuous and worst jobs around. If you're lazy, you're not going to get accepted into a school, and are therefore not going to receive any financial assistance. If you do get accepted, you're probably going to flunk out. No matter what politicians tell you, welfare isn't a free ride. First of all, in all but two states there is a time limit for welfare, so there's no way you could be on it for more than a couple years without resorting to fraud. Secondly, most places require you to look for a job while on welfare, and you are forced to take the first available job, otherwise welfare is cut off, or they have workfare, meaning you're required to some sort of work, and the welfare money you get for it adds up to less than minimum wage. I agree, it would be much better if health care and post-secondary education was all paid for by the state. In some countries, that is how it works. But in a country like the US, getting ahead is supposed to be based on hard work, and many people would argue that giving anyone financial aid goes against the spirit of the country. There needs to be some sort of system to determine who needs the aid more than others, and it's only natural that some people who deserve it aren't going to get it. Considering the number of rich, lazy college kids I've met I think it's hardly unfair that a few poor, lazy ones can get ahead as well. -------------------- "I have no valid complaint against hustlers. No rational bitch. But the act of selling is repulsive to me. I harbor a secret urge to whack a salesman in the face, crack his teeth and put red bumps around his eyes." -Hunter S Thompson http://phluck.is-after.us
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: Yes, I have seen those theories too, but I was tld that they are older theories which have not stood the test of time, scrutiny, and new data that has been accquired. Perhaps my sources on this are wrong. I will look them up again sometime in the future and scrutinze them more carefully. Quote: Well, there in certainly some opinion in there, but none that isnt based in solid logic and the observance of factual data. And there are a lot of facts in that book that come directly from natural observation. And i really would not call it a psychology book, at least not in the sense that say, Carl Jung's books would be considered psychology books. Quote: So, its a dumbed down book thats been simplified to make it easier to understand. Doesnt make the science behind it invalid. Next you're going to be criticizing Stephen Hawkings for entertaining notions of universes that consist of nothing but turtles all the way down (Read Brief History of Time, if you dont know what I'm talking about). And actually, I have consulted people with more biological knowledge than myself about that book. I've read criticism of it. But most of the experts I have talked to have agreed that that book is pretty sound. I will have to ask around about the theory I mentioned in particular. I am a firm believer that the course of evolution can be changed by social constructs, and that biological determinism can be overcome by the the will of the individual. Quote: Hmm, well that will require revisiting a whole shitload of psychology books and research articles from classes and independant research I undertook a couple years ago. And I'm supposed to be writing a paper criticizing selective serotonin reuptake inhibiting drugs right now (  ), so it might take me awhile to comply with that request... It was mostly studies in social psychology which fatcually confirmed certain opinions I had about women and relationships. When I have time I will dig them up, and we can discuss them if you so desire. The reason I used Tatiana was because it sticks out in my mind a lot more than those studies and situational experiments do. Plus its in my bathroom right now Quote: No, I've already been to the other end and back. These days I don't talk to women much, which isnt a very good way to meet a good one, I know, but I'm tired of cheap sex and I'm also tired of getting played and used. From what I see in my surroudings, those are the only types of love there are. I dont see a lot of true love around. I see a lot of people kiddingthemselves that they are in love when in fact they are engaged in a mutual exchange. What was is Trent Reznor said? "I'll be there for you as long as it works for me." Yah. Something like that. True love is altruistic. To love another as you do yourself is to entrust them with the core of your very being. Not to mention the sharing of your hopes, fears, and deepest secrets. Love always requires some self-sacrifice, even in the best of circumstances. But I have grown tired of making these sacrifices for women who do nothing in return. Because I love so deeply that when women do not return my sacrifice, I love them anyway. My love is powerfull enough to make me turn the other cheek. But when I look back, I see what a fool I have been. Every girl I've ever loved, I still love them. No matter what they did. Because when I say that I truly love someone, I aint bullshittin'. Every one of my exes carries a peice of me with them. When I say I love someone, I mean like family love. In the ignorance of my adolescence, I did many things to hurt my parents, but they still loved me. That is true love. Quote: Allow me to clarify: Single, eligible woman posting sexually suggestive pictures = sexy Engaged girl posting sexually suggestive pictures = wierd maybe you didn't think that was a sexually suggestive picture, but I doubt that there are many men that saw it that didn't appreciate it in a sexual way. Why do you think it was so funny to the guys when that guy posted a pic of his legs? Quote: Transfering blame definitely won't solve my lonliness, but it will keep me from getting abused. Well, I wouldn't even describe my attitude as transference of blame, merely just a raising of standards. But I fear my standards are too high, though not unreasonable. I'm looking at the available females and I am not seeing what I want. If the girl for me is out there, she is one in a million. Quote: Indeed, it is not hard to be a gentleman. It is almost second nature to me (in real life, not on anonymous internet boards). I'm just a little bitter about being a gentleman, considering where it has gotten me. I'm beginning to doubt the motives of the women who set this "gentleman" standard. Quote: no because from your comment it seemed that what you want is a man that does what you say when you say it, no matter how absurd or self-contradictory it is. I have found this to be a common thread in my experience with women. A good universal example is the art of "hitting on" a girl. If a girl likes a guy, she wants him to flirt with her, but rarely will she make the first move. She may drop WAAAY too subtle clues that we're supposed to pick up, but girls generally dont outright hit on a guy, even if they really like him. They expect him to go fer her. I have foun that persuit is the only way to get a girl, even if she really likes you. But if a girl doesn't like a guy, and he hits on her, she gets all hot and bothered about it. She calls him a pig. She does not just reject him, she admonishes him for trying to get to know her a little better. Whats fucked up is, How is a guy supposed to find out if a chick likes him or not without initiating a conversation? I have found that female demands are often very fickle. Quote: Were these male friends just attracted to you, or in love with your personality? If the latter, I'm betting that you misunderstood the extent of their suffering. A man in love will say whatver he has to to be around his love. We say its OK to be just friends. Its not. But its better than nothing. Of course, sometimes a guy gets sick of waiting for you to come around and falls in love with somone else. Sometimes, things can be OK after that. But while we're in love with you, hell no it is not cool to be just friends, no matter what we say. If we say its cool, its just because we cant bear to be without you. Quote: both sexes perpetuate the cycle. But I'm pretty sure that women start it, though I doubt I could prove it to you. As far as being gaurded with our hearts, that is learned, not innate, behavior. Ask any man about his first heartbreak. He will tell you that was when he learned to be careful with his feelings. Quote: I said "bitches are only for fucking." If I did say women I didnt mean it. I have already said there is a differencve between a bitch and a woman. Quote: You think that men can give themselves completely and then pick up back from the beginning? That shows how insensitive you are to male emotions! Oh and I will say that every time I've had sex with a girl that I didn't have some emotional or intellectual attachment to already it felt wierd and wasnt all that great. But i can develop an emotional or intellectual attachment to a girl really quickly. Smart girls with a lot of personality really turn me on. Quote: You sell yourselves short by giving in to obsolete biological urges rather than thinking things through. I swear, some times its hard to tell the human part of the female mind from the animal part. Men are expected to make all these concessions and apologies for the way they behave, but female behavior is supposed to never be questioned. Their behavior is governed by their emotions, so they have this diminished capacity get out of jail free card. Quote: Well, I expected you to tell me to become more like a doormat, but thats good advice. I dont see how raising my standards is going to cure my lonliness and appease my need for female companionship, though. I mean shit, if I want a girl that is exactly as intelligent as I am, that rules out over 90% of the population already. You need to recognixe how hard it is to be a guy and carry all the burdens of starting a relationship. I have to invest all this time and money and emotional involvement with a girl just to have the "privelege" of getting to know her. And every time its like a crap shoot, the odds of which are stacked against me. Quote: LOL @ "started". I've been reading philosophy and studying religion since I was 13. I'm almost 23, now. My dad used to slip me books on the sly, much to the chagrine of my mother, who thought that everything but the Bible was the "devil's work" Quote: I have a bachelor's degree in Psych on my wall. It looks nice, but it means little to me. I jumped through the necessary hoops to get that degree, I learned some things. But my real interest has always been theology and philosophy (I consider theoretical physics more philosophy than science), and the occult (I consider applied science a form of occultism, too). I didnt major in it, because the only way to make money off of a degree like that is conning people dumber than you, and I'm not into that. No, you're right, I dont know what you've studied, but you adherence to biblical doctrines makes me suspect that you havent read much else, or if you did study another religion, you maybe got texts that were poor examples. Do you know the eightfold path of the buddha? Can you tell me about the nature of the Tao? What about the tree of life, kabalistic numerology, sacred geometry, or gematria? If you can show a working knowledge of spiritual concepts outside of christinity that is equal to mine, I will eat the words I said about being out of your league as far as knowledge in that area is concerned. Quote: apparently not many women are worthy because I've taken a damn near random sample of the population, at least in my area, and no one has fit the bill, at least in terms of mutual respect. Yes, I have above average intelligence. Yes, I have money in my family. Call me arrogant if you want I'm used to it. When you get to the top, they hand you a trophy and a bullseye. And damn, is it lonely up here. But my standards are not unreasonable. I only expect what I am prepared to give. Quote: I dont think its the testosterone that scares them off. If anything, that should give them incentive to prove themselves as equal. No, I see the low enrollment of women at the shroomery as a sign that most women arent interested in intellectually based internet discussion boards.
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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And i really would not call it a psychology book, at least not in the sense that say, Carl Jung's books would be considered psychology books.
Come on, what is the definition of Psychology.. it's really not hard to get the point that was being made Allow me to clarify: Single, eligible woman posting sexually suggestive pictures = sexy Engaged girl posting sexually suggestive pictures = wierd maybe you didn't think that was a sexually suggestive picture, but I doubt that there are many men that saw it that didn't appreciate it in a sexual way. Why do you think it was so funny to the guys when that guy posted a pic of his legs? Oh yeah, the guy.. was my fiance. Has incredibly hairy manly legs, that is what was so funny.. the joking difference. It is called levity. The picture.. had a shroom in it, it was originally taken for a shroomery girls kick ass vs mycotopia thread. It was a picture of my crossed legs supporting a blown glass mushroom from less then 4 inches above the knees down. It was very tasteful and you are being ridiculous. Just because Im attached doesnt mean I cant still be sexy. Especially in such a modest way. With that same premise, I should never go out in public in a bathing suit, evidently. Since most of the shroomerite gurls are indeed attached and many of them post risque pictures, I guess we are all just big weirdos. no because from your comment it seemed that what you want is a man that does what you say when you say it, no matter how absurd or self-contradictory it is. I never said anything about doing what I said when I said it...or about a man even doing anything I said. You completely skewed that to your own interpretation independant of what was written in any of my posts. If a girl likes a guy, she wants him to flirt with her, but rarely will she make the first move. She may drop WAAAY too subtle clues that we're supposed to pick up, but girls generally dont outright hit on a guy, even if they really like him. They expect him to go fer her. I have foun that persuit is the only way to get a girl, even if she really likes you. Again, labeling all women. I've heard guys talk about a gurl that tried to pick up on them and how pathetic it was, as if she had upset the dating cosmic balance. It cuts both ways, buddy. But if a girl doesn't like a guy, and he hits on her, she gets all hot and bothered about it. She calls him a pig. She does not just reject him, she admonishes him for trying to get to know her a little better. Whats fucked up is, How is a guy supposed to find out if a chick likes him or not without initiating a conversation? Women do stupid things too. Im aware of that. Sometimes men come on a bit too strong though and the fact is, when you meet someone.. you dont know them, you only know how they portray themselves and your previous experiences. Many errors are made on both sides. Were these male friends just attracted to you, or in love with your personality? If the latter, I'm betting that you misunderstood the extent of their suffering. Maybe that is true, but I have a pretty good bullshit detector. That's why I discuss things with people and try to work through and beyond things. You think that men can give themselves completely and then pick up back from the beginning? That shows how insensitive you are to male emotions! Judging from your posts about sleeping around and such, I wouldnt say sex to you was giving yourself completely. Sex to this woman is giving herself completely. Please read context. You sell yourselves short by giving in to obsolete biological urges rather than thinking things through. You give yourself way too much credit. Im sorry but, for most women sex isnt this huge biological urge. It isnt some itch in their crotch. Sex is a way of making a man happy, with a man that doesnt love and care about us, we get very little, if anything, out of it. If we dont think things through it isnt biological, it is emotional. Men are expected to make all these concessions and apologies for the way they behave, but female behavior is supposed to never be questioned. No, bad men are supposed to make concessions and apologies for the way they behave, just like bad females. Good men dont have to make concessions and apologies. Their behavior is governed by their emotions, so they have this diminished capacity get out of jail free card. Wow. Well, I expected you to tell me to become more like a doormat, but thats good advice. I dont see how raising my standards is going to cure my lonliness and appease my need for female companionship, though. Ive never once told you in any way shape or form through hundreds of words in this post to be a doormat. Come on, can you not see what you are doing here? In anycase, maybe it wont cure your loneliness, but it will guarantee that bad women will not "break" you. And maybe it will allow you to not jump in hand over fist because you are lonely. I mean shit, if I want a girl that is exactly as intelligent as I am, that rules out over 90% of the population already. You really need to squash that rather large ego of yours if you hope to find meaningful relationships with other people. You need to recognixe how hard it is to be a guy and carry all the burdens of starting a relationship. See, if you have to carry all the burdens.. you arent in the correct relationship. It is that easy. I have to invest all this time and money and emotional involvement with a girl just to have the "privelege" of getting to know her. And every time its like a crap shoot, the odds of which are stacked against me. We all have to invest things to get to know someone.. be that trust, emotion, money, whatever. You arent forced to do it. Invest what you are comfortable with and maybe you will stop feeling so persecuted. I didnt major in it, because the only way to make money off of a degree like that is conning people dumber than you, and I'm not into that. Dumber then whom? No, you're right, I dont know what you've studied, but you adherence to biblical doctrines makes me suspect that you havent read much else, or if you did study another religion, you maybe got texts that were poor examples. Then you would be incorrect. Do you know the eightfold path of the buddha? I cannot remember all of the names and perhaps Im off on one of these but: 1. Perfect vision 2. Right thought and attitude 3. Clear communication 4. Right action 5. Proper living (livelyhood) 6. Right Effort 7. Right Mindfullness 8. Samadhi Want the 4 nobel truths too? Can you tell me about the nature of the Tao? Which sect? Confuscious latter or , Taoist Minor? Tao cannot stand alone alone as an absolute. I can also read I-Ching. Imagine that. What about the tree of life What about it? I dont need to write essays for you. Its a pretty detailed concept and very multidimensional. I've also got a picture of myself sitting underneath the tree of life outside of Bahrain.. whichever you'd like to refer to. , kabalistic numerology Yeah I can also tell you about its roots in Merkavan religion/mysticism , sacred geometry yea yeah.. It was too boring for me to want to rehash it , or gematria? hewbrew version of one of your previous questions. Ive also now read all of the apochrypha again.. with more of an open heart then my last readings. I can also Draw down the moon, tell you about pretty much all of the pagan gods, read the tarot and more. But I dont see what the point is in telling you everything I know. I dont feel I know enough, while you seem to feel that you know everything. If you can show a working knowledge of spiritual concepts outside of christinity that is equal to mine, I will eat the words I said about being out of your league as far as knowledge in that area is concerned. The fact is, you make assumptions. If you had read and understood any of those texts then you wouldnt have issued some type of Im more learned then you are spiritually challenge. I became a Christian because I looked at the rest.. I looked long and hard.. and they didnt make sense to me. I could not feel their power. You like to stereotype all kinds of people, eh? It isnt just women is it? It is anyone you feel is "beneath" you. Yes, I have above average intelligence. Yes, I have money in my family. Call me arrogant if you want I'm used to it. When you get to the top, they hand you a trophy and a bullseye. And damn, is it lonely up here. Alot of people have money in their family. Many people have above average intelligence. They dont act like you, you choose to be arrogant. A trophy and a bullseye, eh? The top is being a college student that has one (Id assume since you are getting another one)worthless degree and appears to be in the process of getting another? When you get to the top.. trust me, you arent alone. There are alot of folks up there with you. It plateaus out. I dont think its the testosterone that scares them off. If anything, that should give them incentive to prove themselves as equal. No, I see the low enrollment of women at the shroomery as a sign that most women arent interested in intellectually based internet discussion boards. That's funny, because I frequent other bbs and they are by no means made for retards.. and there are a hell of alot more women on them and they dont seem to shy away from intellectual conversation. Even overgrow has more women. It's like shrooms bring out the good and the truly cesspool nature of psyche that is expressed here. --------------------
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SkorpivoMusterion Livin in theTwilight Zone... Registered: 01/30/03 Posts: 9,954 Loc: You can't spell |
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This isn't directed to anybody in particular, but just the thread participants in general; Why does it seem like so many girls let their bf's shit all over them? WHYYY?
i just wanted to get that off my chest..
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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I really think it comes from low self esteem as well as the societal constructs of what a desirable man is supposed to be. It can also come from dysfunctional family relationships.
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RandalFlagg Stranger Registered: 06/15/02 Posts: 15,608 |
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And I'm supposed to be writing a paper criticizing selective serotonin reuptake inhibiting drugs right now Hoorah! Those things are supposed to make you feel better. I have yet to meet ONE person who felt good because of those drugs. I took Wellbutrin and Paxil CR and I was sleeping 2 hours a night, not eating, feeling jittery, feeling even more anxious and anti-social than I already was, and being unhappier than I was. At least I didn't go psychotic(which happened to someone I know who was on Wellbutrin). That shit does not work!
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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Quote: HAHAHAHAHA!!! Maybe you can go back in time to the 70's and successfully peddle that bullshit, but it aint gonna hold water in the '03. Everyone knows that women enjoy casual sex just as much as men. Unfortuneatly for the machinations of the fairer sex, that cat has gotten out of its bag. But don't take my word for it. Take it from another female, right here at the shroomery: From Alakona's sig: "blackroselove: theres nothing wrong with men adrug: I dunno about that... blackroselove: I know some or dumb asses. But nothin' beats the feel of the cock. " Quote: Attachment doesnt mean you cant be sexy, but common decency should prevent you from deliberatly flaunting your sexiness in public, especially on an internet board, for christ sakes. And then you have the audacity to get mad at men who make lewd comments about the pictures? It seems like the rules for dealing with you are not universal, indeed, they are arbitrary and of your choosing. "Do what I want, when I want." And yes, I feel this same way about the other attached women who post revealing photos of themselves. But at least they dont get mad when men howl over their photos. If you dont want men to get hard for you, then dont be such a cock tease, mmkay? Oh, and going out in a bathing suit (for the purpose of swimming) is a lot different than commiting a contrived attempt to display your sexuality in public. Remember why you posted that pic? "Because it makes my fiance roll his eyes." You wanted to assert your independence by overtly flirting with other men. But when they flirt back, you get pissed. Make up your mind. Quote: You ask me to read context, then you accuse me of speaking in absolutes. Maybe if you extended me the same courtesy that you expect from me, we could communicate on the same level. Quote: I would like to hear your definition of a "good man". Quote: Well I'm a little confused. You told me that I shouldn't put up with bullshit, that I should value myself more than that. Then, in the same post, you accuse me of being an egomaniac whose standards are to high. Which is it? Perhaps you could clarify. Quote: Source? I find that hard to believe. Perhaps you could direct me to some data that supports this. Quote: And if I don't carry the burdens... then I'm not in ANY relationship Quote: My assertion that I am smarter than 90% of people is not based in ego. It is based on the results of multiple IQ tests which place me in the 90th percentile of intelligence. Actually, I think I'm a bit higher than that, but I dont have the standard IQ deviations and the percentile cutoff ranges memorized. I know I am in at least the 90th percentile, if not, then higher. As far as my ego fucking up meaningful relationships, well, I have swept that aside many a time. I have settled for less. I have Loved women in spite of their faults. Indeed, I have loved some women because of their faults. Re-Read my definition of true love, from the last post, if you really think your assertion is true. Quote: If I invested only what I was comfortable investing, 99% of women wouldn't give me a second date. Like i said, its men who are expected to exert the initiative. If we dont, we have no chance. Here is another thing I have noticed about most women: They dont seem to be satisfied with an equal. They always want someone better than themselves. They want to marry out of their class. What women dont realize, is that if every woman is going to have her dream man, that means a lot of men are going to have to settle for women lesser than themselves. And a lot of men arent cool with getting ripped of in this, the ultimate trade. Quote: Sorry, I didn't mean "you" in the sense that I was refering to you personally. I guess I should have said "Dumber than myself." You are not dumb. Selfish and manipulative, maybe, but not dumb. Quote: Well it seems that you know enough about non-christian spirituality for me to eat my words as promised. Although some of your descriptions are vague and sound more like a report for a theology class than an in-depth spiritual understanding, I will give you the benefit of the doubt. This is more than you have done for me. After all, you accused me of not reading the bible just because you didn't agree with my interpretation of it. Quote: Well, the vast majority of people I know who have studied spirituality outside of Christianity have not come to such bigoted conclusions about their Christian faith (ie- Jesus was the one and only son of God, the bible is the exact word of God, ect). I assumed your embrace of religious bigotry was caused by ignorance, but now I see it was because of spiritual stupidity. Why do you separate Christianity from "the rest". They are all spiritual teachings. They all have power. If you only saw power in your own faith, you didn't look at the others hard enough. The only part of te bible I disagree with is the part where it says that it is THE ONE TRUE FAITH. I dont believe in such nonsense. It is bigotry, plain and simple. Jesus did not teach bigotry- Romans stuck those words in his mouth in order to control the populace with fear and guilt. And yes I know: He who speaks doesnt know and vice versa. I wbrought Jesus into the conversation because I was trying to use an example you might be familiar with. Jesus came down and said 2 things: love god and be nice to eachother, or as Bill and Ted would put it: "Be Excellent to eachother and Party on, Dudes!" My interpretation, though greatly simplified, is true nonetheless. Jesus was a pure soul and they crucified him for it, just as they have done to many others who preached the same philosophy. But you were the one that started the questioning of spiritual knowledge. My assertion was just a reaction to your egotism. You said i was "just starting" my spiritual journey, presumably because I haven't found Jesus yet. I guess you think that every successful spiritual journey ends with Jesus, don't you? Bigot. BTW, if you think sacred geometry is "boring" I would advise you to read The Ancient Secret of the Flower of Life, by Drunvalo Melchizedek. There is a lot of misinformation in that book, but the geometry is solid. Read it. You might learn more about how the universe works Quote: I never claimed to know everything, nor would i ever desire this to be true. I am happy to be suprised by the universe. If I knew everything, then the game would be over. And that would be no fun. I'm here to learn, just like you are. Quote: Judging the content of my character by material accomplishments eh? A common habit I have found in women. Oh well. I was just quoting an expression, BTW. I am perfectly aware that there are people who are more intelligent than myself. But they only make up less than 10% of the general population. Quote: Again, statistically, more than 90% of the earth's human population does not possess my cognitive ability. I am not happy about this. I'm not lording it over them. I wish they were smarter! Then, maybe television would be interesting and our planet wouldnt be falling apart.
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NiamhNyx I'm NOT a 'he'   Registered: 09/01/02 Posts: 3,198 Last seen: 14 years, 10 months |
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Way to generalize over half the population based upon the few that have offered you a negative experience.
"Women are sluts" That is sexist. Making the excuse that the women you've been with have acted slutty is not an excuse to perceive the entire gender under such offensive terms. While we were together an ex boyfriend said half jokingly to me "you're so going to become a slut" simply because most of his ex's are quite promiscuous. Then he got drunk, made out with some girl who left bloody scratch marks on his back.... yeah, that's over. Don't you just love that kind of hypocricy?
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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Im a bigot? Because I believe in Jesus, the Bible and God? Because I have views that Ive spent many years formulating? Because he is the way and the light? Because I corrected you for saying that he was crucified because he was a "nice guy". If yer such a brainiac, what about the fact that he challenged the power structures? What about making the pharisees look bad? You can interpret whatever you want however you want.. but that doesnt make it the truth. You are the one who felt the need to conduct some type of stupid "spiritual intelligence test", I cant even believe I wasted my time as it was... I will give you a peice of advice, YOU NEED TO ACTUALLY READ ALL OF THOSE TEXTS YOU SPOUT OFF SUPERFLUOUS KNOWLEDGE ABOUT. If you had, this would not be the person you are. Plain and simple. You think you know everything, well I pray that the Lord gives you everything you deserve as a result.
Look at your post. As you can see, everyone that has intelligence has either skipped over your thread or called you a moron. This crap is too deepseeded and shitty, even for this forum.. This is what I leave you, good riddance... Those who don't feel this Love pulling them like a river, those who don't drink dawn like a cup of spring water or take in sunset like supper, those who don't want to change, let them sleep. This Love is beyond the study of theology, that old trickery and hypocrisy. I you want to improve your mind that way, sleep on. I've given up on my brain. I've torn the cloth to shreds and thrown it away. If you're not completely naked, wrap your beautiful robe of words around you, and sleep. -Rumi --------------------
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DoctorJ Registered: 06/30/03 Posts: 8,846 Loc: space Last seen: 1 year, 5 months |
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thanks for ending it so gracefully, Psilo
I wasn't optimistic about being able to resolve a dispute as old as human existence in the space of a single thread. I think both sides of this debate are valid to an extent, and the expression of everyone's opinion creates an informative dialogue which can be enlightenting to all participants and lurkers, if they open their minds a bit Try not to have any hard feelings about it, and good points to all!
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Mushmonkey shiftlesslayabout Registered: 09/25/03 Posts: 10,867 Last seen: 5 months, 28 days |
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"I had a group of about 15 guys that I hung around with atleast 4 nights a week. I was usually the only female. There were occasionally 2 other gurls that came and went. They knew I was taken. I was taken when I met them for the very first time but there is absolutely no problem with that. They were just stoked to hang out with a female that gets high and doesnt have a constant stick up her ass.. or that doesnt act all ditzy and stupid when around males. These guys are my best friends (besides gw- my soulmate ), I talked to them about alot of shit. They held car doors open and gave me the green rip always.. they were gentleman. I begin to realize more and more that they are one of a kind and that Im tremendously lucky to have them in my life if "normal" guys dont want to hang around with women that are taken, if all they are after is hooking up. "
I knew a chick that sounds a lot like you. Actually I lived with her for 14 months, but that's another story. I honestly liked hanging out with her more than a good number of my guy buddies, just because she was a real fun person. And right now she's dating an asshole, who everyone but her knows is an asshole, and I haven't talked to her in over a month because no one will answer the phone at their place anymore (i moved out of the area), and I'm pretty sure it's because he's an incredibly self-centered insecure dickweasel who gets INCREDIBLY jealous any time she talked to or hung out with any of her guy friends. Repeat that ad nauseum for basically all the women I've ever known. Relationships with good, kind guys fall apart for trivial reasons, relationships with awful childish guys last the longest. That's why I said women are mostly stupid. And it's not that I hold any ill will to them.. it just makes me feel real awful that these ladies that I know, and that I know are perfectly intelligent and sensible, somehow make all the worst possible relationship decisions. And then don't understand why things happen the way they do. ""Conversely, Males have an evolutionary incentive to protect their genetics, even at the cost of another male's. This is why men are possesive." How does being posessive of a woman protect your genetics? Maybe when she's pregnant this makes sense..." Actually it makes LESS sense when she's pregnant. Before that, you've got to watch carefully and be sure no other males are pluggin' their genes up in that ol' baby-oven, so when the little squirt pops out and you end up having to take care of it, you don't get suckered into helping to propegate some other sly sucker's genes. "Lots of women get manipulated by men all the time. I know some of these women. Sometimes I feel it's their own fault for being so stupid, perhaps the same goes for guys who get manipulated by girls." I've known one, or two. The difference is usually you can tell them to their face that they're acting like an ass and that their gf is controlling them, and usually, they'll admit it. And then say that they don't care.. but they will admit it. "But while we're in love with you, hell no it is not cool to be just friends, no matter what we say. If we say its cool, its just because we cant bear to be without you." And what is wrong with that? It's a situation I was recently in. Loved girl. Long time. Feelings weren't mutual. Great friends before, no reason not to still be friends. I told her about it all, we talked for a while, and things were cool between us. We remained great friends, were very kind to eachother. There was no resentment between us, me resenting her for ignoring my feelings, or her resenting me for being stubborn. I loved her and a part of that was respecting her enough to not ruin our great friendship, and she was kind enough to respect me and try to keep me away from situations that would've made me uncomfortable. "I have to invest all this time and money and emotional involvement with a girl just to have the "privelege" of getting to know her." No ya don't. I'm usually single for at least a year between my relationships. I don't go out looking for them because yes, most of the women I meet aren't going to meet my standards. Most people, men or women, don't meet my standards of people I want to be around, and the standards for emotional attachment are higher yet. At least when I'm single I don't constantly feel awful for dumbing myself down long enough to small talk with some bimbo till I find out she's got a boyfriend. Screw it, I'll wait till I meet somebody who I don't feel bad talking to. Few and far between, but easy to spot when they're around. "Do you know the eightfold path of the buddha? Can you tell me about the nature of the Tao? What about the tree of life, kabalistic numerology, sacred geometry, or gematria? " Just... so.. you know.. none of those things are very complicated. they're not hard at all to understand. 3 years ago I could've explained them all at a sentence each, but I've smoked too much reefer since then and haven't read anything about them in that time either. Maybe it's just me but the deeper meanings behind all that jazz has always been easily grasped, the causes of their emergence obvious, the implications of their acceptance understood. The problem though is that i just get bored so easily.. there's only a few philosophers that've ever been able to keep my attention. "HAHAHAHAHA!!! Maybe you can go back in time to the 70's and successfully peddle that bullshit, but it aint gonna hold water in the '03. Everyone knows that women enjoy casual sex just as much as men." Honestly from what I've heard IRL, a lot of guys aren't very good at it. So yeah, I'd say that for a woman to say they get little if anything out of it could very well be fair. My last girlfriend had apparently only dated 2 people that she'd have an orgasm with while having sex, without having to get it done on her own, myself being one of those two. That's two, out of 13. That's not good odds (and also makes me feel a lot better both about myself, and about being a man HAHAHA SILLY WOMEN AND YOUR INABILITY TO PROPERLY ORGASM). "Attachment doesnt mean you cant be sexy, but common decency should prevent you from deliberatly flaunting your sexiness in public, especially on an internet board, for christ sakes. And then you have the audacity to get mad at men who make lewd comments about the pictures? It seems like the rules for dealing with you are not universal, indeed, they are arbitrary and of your choosing. "Do what I want, when I want." And yes, I feel this same way about the other attached women who post revealing photos of themselves. But at least they dont get mad when men howl over their photos. If you dont want men to get hard for you, then dont be such a cock tease, mmkay? Oh, and going out in a bathing suit (for the purpose of swimming) is a lot different than commiting a contrived attempt to display your sexuality in public. " It's not too much to expect other people to behave civilly. Well, perhaps it is, but it shouldn't be. that's what's important. I can't comment on that exact incident as I wasn't around here for it, I'm a bit of a n00ble to these particular boards, but from the description of the picture.. I'm sure lewd comments weren't exactly expected. especially since I've found 'lewd' to mean something a lot more strongly in an online forum than what it means in the real world.. probably because the internet is really just a glorified pr0n delivery system. and since i apparently got here late. i've leave with this. jesus was just a skeevy stoner hippy. and thank god i don't have to put any work into my orgasms. mahahaha. O and we need to somehow genetically engineer intelligent, goofy, redheaded stoner chicks, all for me. -------------------- i finally got around to making a sig revel in its glory and quake in fear at its might grar.
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PsiloKitten Ganja Goddess Registered: 02/12/99 Posts: 1,617 |
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/me starts engineering an intelligent, redheaded stoner chick because you seem like a pretty down to earth and intelligent guy that isnt asking for too much.
Now that I think about it, every redheaded lady Ive ever known has been a stoner, so it shouldnt be that hard. Ill let you know if I make any progress. --------------------
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domite Puppet Registered: 04/12/03 Posts: 2,978 Loc: Who's askin'? Last seen: 10 years, 7 months |
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Quote: thats an ability that most people, particularly men, and myself included, dont have. It would be too painful to act normal around them, and at a certain point it would become an ultimatum. Not becuse I only care about sex, just becuse it would be maddening, I dont see how you could do it...
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Mushmonkey shiftlesslayabout Registered: 09/25/03 Posts: 10,867 Last seen: 5 months, 28 days |
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/me starts engineering an intelligent, redheaded stoner chick because you seem like a pretty down to earth and intelligent guy that isnt asking for too much. Now that I think about it, every redheaded lady Ive ever known has been a stoner, so it shouldnt be that hard. Ill let you know if I make any progress. " heh.. thanks. honestly though if history holds true i should only be single for about 5 more months, it's usually only 17 months of bein single before i find someone else awesome. "thats an ability that most people, particularly men, and myself included, dont have. It would be too painful to act normal around them, and at a certain point it would become an ultimatum. Not becuse I only care about sex, just becuse it would be maddening, I dont see how you could do it... " I'm not sayin it's easy or that there weren't problems, but it was worth it. I just wasn't about to let somethin like that ruin a perfectly awesome friendship. besides, she had a totally rad hedgehog.. that lil thing kept me company on a few solo trips. -------------------- i finally got around to making a sig revel in its glory and quake in fear at its might grar.
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MazzyStar C4LC  Registered: 10/12/03 Posts: 1,426 |
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I sort of see your point, but you shouldn't say "Women are sluts", because not all of them are. You should say that all the women you've been involved with are sluts...maybe you just have bad luck....I know I am not a slut and I know plenty of other good girls out there too
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