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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20205321 - 06/29/14 09:55 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Panaeolus cyanescens...
looks like this, imo.





You  :murray: Sir are AWESOME :chriswalken:


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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: MidnightCity] * 1
    #20207330 - 06/30/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I was under the impression there were two collections of Psilocybe tampanensis found, the original from outside Tampa, Florida by Pollock in 1977, the second being found in 1996 by Guzman in Mississippi.




Psilocybe tampanensis is super common in Mexico, where it goes by the name P. mexicana.  It has also been found in Costa Rica, Guatamala and Nicaragua.

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #20207338 - 06/30/14 11:30 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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The gills would be mottled if they were a Panaeolus... I think.




The metuloid cystidia Bloodworm posted on MO give away Copelandia, I'm just waiting for basidia info and spore size....

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #20207376 - 06/30/14 11:40 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I was under the impression there were two collections of Psilocybe tampanensis found, the original from outside Tampa, Florida by Pollock in 1977, the second being found in 1996 by Guzman in Mississippi.




Psilocybe tampanensis is super common in Mexico, where it goes by the name P. mexicana.  It has also been found in Costa Rica, Guatamala and Nicaragua.




I don't know much about Mexican mushrooms other than what I've seen from your posts and video clips, but I thought I remembered reading somewhere that it was classified under a more widely known name.

Is there any good reason why it's called Psilocybe tampanensis here and  Psilocybe mexicana elsewhere?

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Byrain]
    #20209685 - 07/01/14 07:55 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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maynardjameskeenan said:
The gills would be mottled if they were a Panaeolus... I think.




The metuloid cystidia Bloodworm posted on MO give away Copelandia, I'm just waiting for basidia info and spore size....




i'll have it tonight...

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20209690 - 07/01/14 07:57 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

this might also be interesting to note...

Campanularius westii Murrill, Lloydia 5: 154 (1942)-
Holotypus: Florida, Sugar Foot Hammock near Gainesville,
West sn, 30.6.1938 (FLAS 17377).

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20209756 - 07/01/14 08:37 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

C. westii = C. cyanescens according to Gerhardt.

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Byrain]
    #20211269 - 07/01/14 04:13 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

that collection is in the UF herbarium...

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #20211275 - 07/01/14 04:15 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Copelandia, probably C. cyanescens




yeah i was gonna say that

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20211787 - 07/01/14 05:57 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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SINGER, in WEEKS et. al. (1979), however expresses
contrary to the previous view, that P. westii has to be
separated from cyanescens. Gathered from the
identification key according to SINGERS view, missing
clamps in the fruitbody do justify a dispartment as the sole criterion.
Currently the type of westii is in a very bad condition: The
cap of the only preserved copy has eroded to dust, so that
only some cohesive stem material is left. Nevertheless,
I was able to find the typical Metuloids (dimensions
approximately 47-55 x 13-19 μm), 4-spored Basidia and
spores analogous to the dimensions of cyanescens (11-14 x
8-11 x 6,5-7 μm) in this mushroom dust. At the cap hyphae
the clamps were clearly visible, although very sporadic and
indistinct. The complete absence of clamps can’t be judged
on such a sparse amount of material. I don’t think it is
enough argument to recognize the two types only by this
feature anyway.



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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Byrain]
    #20211828 - 07/01/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

looking...

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20212062 - 07/01/14 06:52 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

the plot thickens...
2-spored basidia...yes, all of them.

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20212187 - 07/01/14 07:24 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Panaeolus bisporus is promising as you already know, just need spore sizes now.

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Byrain]
    #20212564 - 07/01/14 08:28 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Panaeolus chlorocystis.
spores are 9.55-11.16 x 6.21-9.38 Avg. = 10.37 x 8.07
ill post photos in a minute...

Edited by bloodworm (07/02/14 05:24 PM)

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20212607 - 07/01/14 08:36 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

there is also, 1-spored basidia present...

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: bloodworm]
    #20213357 - 07/01/14 11:21 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Cool! 

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Basionym: Copelandia chlorocystis Singer & RAWeeks in
Weeks et al., J. Nat. Products 42: 469 (1979). Holotypus:
United States, Florida, Redlands Fruit and Spice Park,
Homestead, Dade Co., Hearn 7.1976 (F 1022375).

Location:
On the ground black, apparently boggish soil
(originating from the Everglades), without signs of
manure
Distribution:
So far only known from the type location (USA, Florida




Edit:  There is also this find.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8334952

Edited by Byrain (07/01/14 11:25 PM)

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Byrain]
    #20213477 - 07/02/14 12:09 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

spores:





basidia (1 & 2 spored):



metuloids (green):






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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Byrain]
    #20213808 - 07/02/14 02:27 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Edit:  There is also this find.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8334952





I am pretty skeptical about that - he said there were some 3 and 4 spored basidia, and I have little confidence in the factors he used to determine the species. 

The color of the metuloid cystidia depends on what you mount the slide in, they should be photographed in both water and 5% KOH.

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #20214135 - 07/02/14 06:59 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Yea, good point, seems like spore size is most important here.

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Re: so, i think i just found Psilocybe tampanensis... [Re: Byrain]
    #20218959 - 07/03/14 10:43 AM (9 years, 8 months ago)

DNA sequencing will be done sometime next week...

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