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Mr.Q
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Question about boiling grains
#20198713 - 06/28/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I boil my grains,
Like anything you boil, the water stops boiling when you put the grains in.
Do you guys start the 15 min timer when the water starts boiling or right away?
Because after 15 mins my pots still arent even simmering.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: Mr.Q]
#20198794 - 06/28/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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hey, can you link me a tek that you're following?
I'm always on the look out for different grain preps 
what grain? wbs? rye?
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: Mr.Q] 1
#20198795 - 06/28/14 12:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are supposed to heat the water up with the grains are already in the water.
Dumping dry grains into boiling water will create lots of burst grains.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: PussyFart]
#20198814 - 06/28/14 01:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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PussyFart said: You are supposed to heat the water up with the grains are already in the water.
Dumping dry grains into boiling water will create lots of burst grains.
I will soak my grain overnight then pour out the stinky soak water and add in fresh hot tap water so it doesn't make my house smell like fuckin shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: MastaBlastar]
#20199343 - 06/28/14 03:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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i use wbs, i have never boiled my grains, just a slight simmer, either till they are "al dente", or i get bored, wich ever one happens first
also i rinse my grains before hand, then soak over night, and simmer,
on a side not, i keep that water for my agar, mostly cause im to cheap to buy shit.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: Mr.Q]
#20201368 - 06/28/14 11:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sorry for the late response.
1) I watched the rr videos and I have it down so I dont really follow a tech anymore.
2) Its rye, and I soak the grains for 16 hours so putting the rye in and then bringing the water to a boil would burst all of my grains.
3) rr says to use the same water from soaking to boil, otherwise the gypsum and coffee will get rinsed off. But I agree rinsing seems to reduce contams for me by better balancing ph and doesn't make your house smell like sewage.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: Mr.Q]
#20201464 - 06/28/14 11:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mr.Q said: 2) Its rye, and I soak the grains for 16 hours so putting the rye in and then bringing the water to a boil would burst all of my grains.
Nah, it really shouldn't. With WBS it would, but rye holds up well. You can always just bring it to a simmer then dump it. The vast majority of your hydration comes from the soak anyway. RR likes to say that all the hydration comes from the soak and that the boil is just to steam dry them, but I can tell a difference between just soaked grain and boiled/simmered grain.
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3) rr says to use the same water from soaking to boil, otherwise the gypsum and coffee will get rinsed off. But I agree rinsing seems to reduce contams for me by better balancing ph and doesn't make your house smell like sewage.
I like to change my soak water every few hours or so to keep it as hot as I can. I don't use coffee or gypsum (don't drink coffee and can't find gypsum) but if I did, I'd just add them to the water I use to simmer with.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: Mr.Q]
#20201471 - 06/28/14 11:55 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mr.Q said: 2) Its rye, and I soak the grains for 16 hours so putting the rye in and then bringing the water to a boil would burst all of my grains.
Not true at all.
Bring it to a boil and turn off the heat....the soak is what mainly hydrates the grains....we heat them up so they steam dry....there is no need to boil them for any amount of time.
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Edited by PussyFart (06/28/14 11:55 PM)
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: PussyFart]
#20202291 - 06/29/14 08:53 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I use the ten minute boil to keep the grains hot enough to steam off effectively. Never had any moisture or bursting issues at all.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: Mr.Q]
#20202318 - 06/29/14 09:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20202908 - 06/29/14 12:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I soak for 12-18 hrs in gypsum water and then boil the same water for 10 minutes. It takes close to 10 minutes to get the water up to boiling temp. I don't get too many burst grains with this method and I know my gypsum is infused in every grain. Good results so far.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: refried]
#20203161 - 06/29/14 01:41 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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refried said: I soak for 12-18 hrs in gypsum water and then boil the same water for 10 minutes. It takes close to 10 minutes to get the water up to boiling temp. I don't get too many burst grains with this method and I know my gypsum is infused in every grain. Good results so far.
Which is exactly how you're supposed to do it. Grains will only hold so much water so any method which hydrates them while getting rid of the excess which adheres to the surface is going to work. I find a boil after the soak nice because once poured into the collandar they steam dry to the perfect moisture level for loading into jars. Other methods work too. The bottom line is to have the grains hydrated but not wet. RR
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: RogerRabbit]
#20203586 - 06/29/14 03:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: RogerRabbit]
#20203818 - 06/29/14 04:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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refried said: I soak for 12-18 hrs in gypsum water and then boil the same water for 10 minutes. It takes close to 10 minutes to get the water up to boiling temp. I don't get too many burst grains with this method and I know my gypsum is infused in every grain. Good results so far.
Which is exactly how you're supposed to do it. Grains will only hold so much water so any method which hydrates them while getting rid of the excess which adheres to the surface is going to work. I find a boil after the soak nice because once poured into the collandar they steam dry to the perfect moisture level for loading into jars. Other methods work too. The bottom line is to have the grains hydrated but not wet. RR
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: refried]
#20203841 - 06/29/14 05:01 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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When I do my grains, I rinse them first, then put them in a bucket. Then I boil a big ass pot full of coffee/gypsum water, and pour it over the grains. Let them soak for 12-24 hours. Then pour the water and the grains into the pot and bring to a boil. Once they are boiling I just pour them into the colander and toss them with a bigass spoon to evaporate as much water as possible.
The only reason for boiling them (in my mind) is to get the water hot enough that it will evaporate off of the grains. Therefore, the amount of time you boil them shouldn't matter. You are not boiling them to make them take in more water, because they should already be saturated. The kernels shouldn't break, because they should be fully expanded already, and not be rapidly taking in water while boiling.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#20204074 - 06/29/14 05:58 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Does the step of boiling cause the endospores inside to germinate thus making them more susceptible to the pressure cooker's sterilization? If so, it would seem that boiling is important in its own right. Thought I heard that somewhere.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: refried]
#20204136 - 06/29/14 06:11 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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No. Boiling does not cause endospores to germinate.
Soaking softens/hydrates the endospores so they are more easily penetrated by hot steam and thus killed when you sterilize them.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: refried]
#20208273 - 06/30/14 05:25 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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refried said: Does the step of boiling cause the endospores inside to germinate thus making them more susceptible to the pressure cooker's sterilization? If so, it would seem that boiling is important in its own right. Thought I heard that somewhere.
I think people should HAVE to watch Let's Grow Mushrooms before getting on this site. This question is clearly answered in that video.
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Re: Question about boiling grains [Re: MastaBlastar]
#20208907 - 06/30/14 11:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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MastaBlastar said:
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refried said: Does the step of boiling cause the endospores inside to germinate thus making them more susceptible to the pressure cooker's sterilization? If so, it would seem that boiling is important in its own right. Thought I heard that somewhere.
I think people should HAVE to watch Let's Grow Mushrooms before getting on this site. This question is clearly answered in that video.
Right,bud.. It's a been a while and a number of successful grows since I did my research and watched the videos. Hopefully one day I'll get on YOUR level.
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