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Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) * 43
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This is part of my series "The Basics"

Principles and construction of Shotgun Fruiting Chambers (SGFC):

This guide is not focused on PF/BRF cakes per se. It's really just the basics of how the SGFC works. Having the basic concept of how it works is a good foundation to build on.

How it's made

A properly made SGFC Is made of a clear/transparent tote with 1/4" holes on all 6 sides about 2" apart in a grid pattern. All 6 sides means the 4 vertical sides AND top AND bottom.

They need 4"-5" of damp perlite. You may need to rinse the perlite a few times to get rid of the dust. The dust can accumulate at the bottom, clogging the holes. A few pieces of perlite may fall through the hole, but only a few.

Principle of operation

A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).

The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.

Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.

And yes, fresh air also comes in through other holes as well, but without it coming in through the damp perllite, your SGFC and cakes will dry out faster, the perlite becomes practically useless, and your FAE is reduced.

Some Things to Consider

The SGFC must not sit directly on a flat surface. It needs to be elevated. If not elevated, air can't flow in through the bottom and the whole system breaks down.

You can set your SGFC on some half-pint wide-mouth jars to elevate it. I would say at least 2 inches is minimum.

I made a little stand for mine out of some PVC I had laying around. It's about 4" tall



Running a fan in the room with your SGFC will also disrupt the natural currents and dry everything out too fast.

Because of the constant FAE, your cakes will dry out if not misted regularly.

Mist your cakes till they glisten with moisture. There is a magic time when your cakes are no longer glistening, but they still appear moist, this is when you want to mist again. The Misted Cake Project is a thread for pics of cakes to show what they look like at various stages of growth before and after misting. This thread will hopefully help you understand when to mist.

Mist as often as required. Schedules may vary slightly from region to region, but 3-6 times a day is pretty common. Misting and then evaporation off the cake surface promotes pin formation.

Mist cakes directly with a fine mist. The over-spray helps keep your perlite damp. Misting the walls serves absolutely no purpose.

Only fan after misting. The reason for fanning is to empty the SGFC of humid air. The is jump-starts evaporation from the cakes. If you fan between misting, then you risk drying the cakes out too much too fast. It's debatable if fanning even really makes a difference. I don't fan. If you do fan, it only takes a couple waves of the lid to empty the chamber.


Condensation

Condensation forms on the inside walls when the temperature inside the SGFC is higher than outside the SGFC. A properly made SGFC shouldn't have enough of a temperature difference to cause condensation. If it does, then you are not likely getting good FAE. In other words, condensation is not a good sign of proper humidity, instead it's more of a sign of low FAE.


Tub Size

Your SGFC needs to have enough room for 4-5 inches of perlite plus 5-10 inches of head space for cakes and growth. I use a 64 quart Sterilite 1928.

Really big totes can cause cakes on the outer edge to dry/evaporate faster do to uneven circulation. Really small totes are not big enough to create it's own circulation system.

Word to the wise: Don't get too bogged down wanting to know why stuff is done the way it's done or coming up with your own clever modifications or methods. Instead, do what is known to work and figure out why later.

RoggerRabbit's SGFC VIdeo(part 3 shows the SGFC construction process)

Edited by SpitballJedi (04/21/16 08:40 PM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi] * 2
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:mushroom2: very good explenation *thump up*
wouldn't mind to see something similar for monotubs, too? :rolleyes:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Abshroom] * 2
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Hadn't seen this yet. Nice write up jedi:super:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: mushmagic] * 2
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Nice work! You might want to add not be careful when getting rid of the perlite dust as it's very bad for the lungs.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: d0urd3n] * 2
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another question which seems very basic to me:
how high do you need to elevate the SGFC? mine sits currently on 1/2 pint jars, so they are not very high elevated. but this should be enough to get a nice air circulation, shouldn't it?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Abshroom] * 1
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yeah that should suffice. I have put mine on 6-8 inch tall drinking glasses too.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Abshroom] * 1
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Abshroom said:
another question which seems very basic to me:
how high do you need to elevate the SGFC?


Of course, it should go without saying that for this system to work properly, the terrarium must be elevated at least 1" above the table it's sitting on. Use blocks of wood, shot glasses, or whatever you have around the house to raise the terrarium off the table so air can circulate under it. It should also be noted that 90% of all airborne contaminants in a room are located near the floor, so make sure your terrarium has a home on a table or shelf.



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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart] * 1
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PussyFart said:
Abshroom said:
another question which seems very basic to me:
how high do you need to elevate the SGFC?


Of course, it should go without saying that for this system to work properly, the terrarium must be elevated at least 1" above the table it's sitting on. Use blocks of wood, shot glasses, or whatever you have around the house to raise the terrarium off the table so air can circulate under it. It should also be noted that 90% of all airborne contaminants in a room are located near the floor, so make sure your terrarium has a home on a table or shelf.



Taken directly from :    http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek


I know that it of course has to be elevated, thats why I just asked for the height and already mentioned that it's a bit elevated :wink:
Currently it's placed a bit elevated on my desk ^^


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Abshroom] * 3
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You can set your SGFC on some half-pint wide-mouth jars to elevate it. I would say at least 2 inches is minimum.

I made a little stand for mine out of some PVC I had laying around. It's about 4" tall


I added this to the OP, too


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Edited by SpitballJedi (07/15/14 10:27 AM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: tripdawg420] * 1
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Is this chamber also good for casings?
When i do casings in it, must i mist the soil 3-6 times a day too?
Should the perlite dry, wet or very wet?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: rrdmx] * 2
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Good Tek brother. :thumbup:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: TheEaglesGift] * 1
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thx.

Some people put small trays in them, but mostly cakes. But, yes, you can put small cased trays. A casing is a low/non nutritive layer on a substrate.

Keep in mind, if you put a bigg tray in there and cover all the surface of the perlite, it may not function as well because not as much fresh air will flow through the perlite.

What ever you put in there, the perlite should be damp.


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Edited by SpitballJedi (07/15/14 10:32 AM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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My question was: how often the casing should be misted?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: rrdmx] * 1
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Mist the substrate/cake directly with a fine mist until it glistens, then fan out the chamber.

Mist again once the water you previously applied has evaporated. We mist to replace lost moisture from evaporation.

We fan out the chamber after misting to make toom in the air for evaporation to take place, which is a main pinning trigger.

You can do this as little as twice a day.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart] * 1
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Quote:
PussyFart said:Mist again once the water you previously applied has evaporated. We mist to replace lost moisture from evaporation.


How can you tell when the water has evaporated? I've heard every 3 hours or 3-6 times a day and other rules of thumb (which I'm sure work fine), but I'm curious how you can tell the water has evaporated?

Also thanks for the Tek SJ, it's a good reference point if I forget some of the basics.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds] * 1
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You just look at it homie. After a bit you will develop an eye for it too.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Sagescruffy] * 1
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Sagescruffy said:
You just look at it homie. After a bit you will develop an eye for it too.


What strain in that in that casing layer?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: lechenuzz44] * 1
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stupid question but what if I was using the same sized FC as the one in the pics... and I did all the holes on all 6 sides but im only have 4 cakes inside

how should I spread them ? all 4 in the middle (since I wont be able to fill the area up..

or should I use a smaller FC so that the 4 cakes are even inside and close to the walls?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: ClosetMonster] * 1
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I personally would put them close together (of course with a little distance between them) if I don't have access to a smaller SGFC :wink:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Abshroom]
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:whathesaid:

I would put them in the middle close together. You can always move them farther apart later if the fruits start growing too close.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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why is this FC called shotgun?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: ClosetMonster]
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Because it looks like a shotgun blast hit it due to all of the holes.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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heres a good question

how far from the inner walls should you keep the cakes ? how many inch ?

id assume if you keep the cake too close to the wall or a corner inside the box
it might dry up faster than the ones in the middle of the FC


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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How often I have to make the perlite wet?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: ClosetMonster]
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ClosetMonster said:
heres a good question

how far from the inner walls should you keep the cakes ? how many inch ?

id assume if you keep the cake too close to the wall or a corner inside the box
it might dry up faster than the ones in the middle of the FC


The more full the FC is with cakes, the less of an issue this is because it's easier to maintain higher RH. But, a couple of inches should suffice. I've honestly never had this issue. Sorry if my reply is too late, I've been away.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: rrdmx]
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rrdmx said:
How often I have to make the perlite wet?


Generally, the over-spray from misting the cakes is enough to keep it moist. But, I would get it good and wet again before loading cakes in again.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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When I first put in my hygrometer, it read around 90-100. I had 3 cakes in there so I was only misting the far left side of the chamber. The hygrometer has dropped to 80 and stayed there. I know they aren't accurate, and my shit is definitely built properly with enough perlite in there, but it worries me that it dropped 20%. Should I rehydrate by dumping water in there or what? I spray the hell out of the bare perlite whenever I mist the cakes, but it isn't really rising.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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ignore the hygrometer. Just mist the cakes directly. Mist the cakes according to how they look, not according to what you think the humidity is.

If it seams the perlite has dried out, then remove the cakes and pour some water over the perlite. Be aware that the water will run out the bottom. Also, make sure dust hasn't accumulated on the bottom and clogging the holes. This may be happening now or may happen if you pour water over the perlite and let it drain.

Stick your hand in the perlite and see if it's moist underneath. A little extra surface misting never hurts, just don't over saturate your cakes.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Even if the hygrometer is inaccurate to the actual %, it should be a constant reading, shouldn't it?

I'm not sure how the cakes should look. People say little sparkles of water on the verm, but I never see that. I just spray maybe 10-15 squirts above the cakes and then fan for 15 seconds after and put the lid back on.

I'll feel around the perlite and check for dust holes.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Just ignore the hygrometer; it's garbage.

SpitballJedi said:
Mist your cakes till they glisten with moisture and then fan the SGFC out. There is a magic time when your cakes are no longer glistening, but they still appear moist, this is when you want to mist and fan again.



Mist the cake until it looks like it's glistening with water, you are very unlikely to over-mist them. Then, once that water evaporates and is no longer glistening, but they still have a slightly moist appearance, mist again. By this I mean, they don't look dried out, but the little reflection, the sparkle, the glisten from the water is gone.

If it's getting too dry, the myc will start to yellow a bit. You don't want this.

Over-misting usually happens when you mist too much too often, mostly too often. If you can see it's time to mist, then a heavy misting is not usually an issue unless you have pooling water at the bottom of the cake. Even a light mist too often will cause saturation.

If you only mist when there is no more glistening, and then just mist until it looks glistening with wet, then you should be good. You may have to do it more or less than others.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I don't think I've seen them glisten ever. I will record and take pictures on my next mist/fanning, which will be tomorrow morning.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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It's not going to be like glitter or something, but hopefully you can tell when something looks good and wet on the surface.


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Edited by SpitballJedi (11/16/14 07:14 PM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I really can't see any difference. I have a lot of verm on my cakes still. I can see water reflecting off of the foil, but not really much on the cakes.

And is there anything that says hygrometers give off random and sporadic readings? I thought the actual % was worthless, which I agree with, but the reading should be constant. Like, even if it's not calibrated properly, it wouldn't fluctuate in % randomly?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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I've had 5 of the exact same hygrometer at the same time in the same spot. They all were collaborate- at the same time and same way. After 24 hours, they all read different. After another 24 hours, they all read differently in a different way. Some that read higher now read lower and vice-verse. So, yeah, they suck unless you get an expensive one.

But they are pointless because the important thing is the RH at the surface level of your cakes and not the SGFC as a whole. This is why you need a proper mist schedule. Just properly mist the cakes, keep the perlite damp, and the SGFC will have plenty of humidity.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Ok, thanks for that. I won't rely on the hygrometer for anything anymore. I've misted them 3-5 times a day every day and I fan them after each misting. There's no dust or debris on the bottom of the holes and the perlite feels damp to the touch below the surface. It stuck to my hand very easily so I'm sure it's wet enough, especially with me spraying down the unoccupied area each time I mist the cakes.

Should I post pictures and video here tomorrow or would you prefer I start my own thread?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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stareatclouds said:
I don't think I've seen them glisten ever. I will record and take pictures on my next mist/fanning, which will be tomorrow morning.


What I am currently doing, is taking a bright blue spectrum type of light ( I guess any light would work, but I think the bluish works best) and shining it on my cakes to make sure they are glistening. I use the flashlight from my phone even just to see they have a good glisten.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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You can post a pic. Post a pic of your SGFC and your cake right after misting.

Oh yeah, a few waves of the lid is all you need for fanning. In my opinion, the fanning, while beneficial, is a little over-rated. I only wave over it about 10 times after misting.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Noted. I usually fan pretty hard with the lid for 10-15 seconds. I might give them a final misting and fanning tonight before they go to sleep just so I can get the pictures up.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Here are pictures after I misted them. This is a much closer time between mistings than I've done before because I wanted some pics in tonight. The 3 cakes on the left were put in the chamber on 11/8.



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Mist them more and move them to the middle of the tub


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Can you provide any reasoning for both so I can learn a bit more?

I can see a little bit of water pooling on the top right cake, but it doesn't pick up well on camera. It looks really moist and kind of soggy after the last misting. The bottom edges of a few look the same.

I moved the cakes to the middle and misted and fanned one more time.

Edited by stareatclouds (11/16/14 09:02 PM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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The pic may be a little misleading, I'm not the best at seeing stuff in pictures. So if you see pools of water, then that's plenty. If you don't see light glistening off the little pools of water, then you either need more light, have your eyes checked, or research what "glistening" means :lol: standing water glistens in light.

***edit*** I looked at the pic again: move the light closer and about 30 degrees off one of the top edges. Move as close as you can without heating the tub, about 6-12 inches away.

Move them toward the middle because they won't dry as fast, but the surface will still evaporate well enough. Some FAE comes in through the holes. Over time, you will notice the perlite dries faster around the edges than in the middle.


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Edited by SpitballJedi (11/16/14 09:34 PM)

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Thank you for this! Good to have these TEKs as it helps the early beginners learn with confidence.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Acquario]
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SBJ,

Here's a video of the amount I spray onto the cakes. Anything stand out as bad? It's been about 11 days since I fruited 3 of them, but still no pins. I'm patient though, just want to make sure I'm fanning/misting properly.



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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Spray more than that. You can get a little closer, too. You're gonna wear out your sprayer going that fast.

Focus the spray on one cake at a time. I don't mean you need to isolate it though. Just make sure each cake is is getting the individual attention it deserves so it's wet.

Unfortunately, I can't find any pics to show you what a freshly sprayed glistening cake looks like. But, your video ain't it. Until someone posts a pic or you find one, the best I can tell you is it should look wet with an obvious sheen of water.

Using the search feature, search "cake" and go down and check the box that says "containing: images". This will at least filter your search to pictures of cakes for the most part. You may come across a good one.

I know some of you regulars are reading this, feel free to step in at any time :lol:  Bueller?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Ok, thanks. I spray quick because at the angle I need, my bottle will instantly stop spraying.

How about this?



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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds] * 1
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stareatclouds said:



:thumbup:

Your cakes may have dried a little. They look healthy, but you may have to mist them a couple extra times because they may absorb the water a little quick.

See how they glisten? Especially the one in the pic I quoted? That glisten will slowly go away. There's a point where they no longer glisten, but they still look moist. Vermiculite gets lighter in color as it dries. You may want to look at some dry vermiculite for comparison. Also, pay attention to what the mycelium looks like too as it goes from glistening to drying out.

You want to mist again once the cakes are no longer glistening, but they still have a slight moist appearance. Paying attention to the changes in the mycelium will be helpful as it takes over the vermiculite. As it does, you won't be able to use the vermiculite as reference anymore.

Your misting routine will develop as you go. For now, you need to pay attention to them and mist as needed. Don't worry about how many times others do it or going by a clock or timer. Rely on your eyes to tell you when to mist again. You my notice more misting is needed at first, then a little less, then more once they start getting bigger.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Nice upgrade to the original tek. More of 'the basics' definitely need to be freshened up.

Thank you! Looking forward to reading more. :smile:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: hidyn]
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SBJ,

Thanks a lot. I'll be misting until all cakes resemble the one you quoted.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Looking good brother!  :like:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Looks like you're on the right track now.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SBJ,

I'm going to move my cakes out of the chamber to rinse the perlite again. I've also noticed that my walls get soaked each time I mist as I have to hold the bottle nearly vertical or it won't spray. Should I bother wiping them off after or is this fine?

I also have my setup in a small room with a standard baseboard heater to keep it at 70F at all times. It's probably 3 feet from the chambers, if that. Is this going to cause an issue?

Oh, and I've added a second chamber for the rest of my cakes. Any issues with this?



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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Getting water on the walls is fine, it just serves no purpose. Don't bother wiping it off.

Having you tubs too close to the heater may cause it to dry faster and may cause your cakes to dry out. Just keep an eye on it. You may just have to mist more and/or wet your perlite more. I prefer to have the heat on the opposite side of the room from my grow so the temperature swings aren't as wild.

Having 2 chambers is fine.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I know it serves no purpose, was wondering if it's problematic? I heard it can negatively affect the air currents or something to that extent. I'll just leave it alone and closely monitor the moisture levels. If I had room to move the chambers, I would, but unfortunately that's the best I can do. Thanks.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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get a better spray bottle or bend the straw so you can spray it horizontal


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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I'll look into a smaller one, maybe. Just saw my first pins though! My first sign of the work paying off. I'M A FATHER!


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Make sure you're spraying the sides of the cakes too.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I'm sure the sides are getting hit from the residual mist. I'm spraying them pretty good now, especially the ones I had a bit on the dry side. I saw a few more tiny pins in between my last post and now. I'm excited.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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:thumbup:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I have a couple questions about SGFC's.

1) Can you use lava rocks instead of perlite?



2) Does a lot of water leak out the bottom?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Liverwort]
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1) No. The stuff in the pic does not have the same pourous properties as perlite and does not evaporate the same.

2) A SGFC will not hold standing water, there are holes in the bottom. But, once the wet perlite is drained, it doesn't drip water.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Liverwort]
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Lava rocks won't raise the RH much and dry out relatively quickly. There's really no substitute for perlite, at least nothing that I'm aware of.

Normally no water will leak out the bottom, it adheres to the perlite.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Kizzle]
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1. no
2. no


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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Could I automate a misting system using a high volume fogger or Ultra fine Garden Misters using a fountain pump to hydrate the perilite, more then likely causing full saturation, but then collect the run off out of the bottom of the sgfc and filter it back into the reservoir? Or has anyone done a similar setup for automated watering in an indoor environment?

Edit: also, what about using vermiculite instead of perilite?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
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snoochy42 said:
Could I automate a misting system using a high volume fogger or Ultra fine Garden Misters using a fountain pump to hydrate the perilite, more then likely causing full saturation, but then collect the run off out of the bottom of the sgfc and filter it back into the reservoir?


This is never a good idea.....if something goes wrong when you are not home, you could possibly flood the house....a bottle and a pump sprayer is what everyone uses....

snoochy42 said:
Edit: also, what about using vermiculite instead of perilite?


No...


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart]
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Well I would have them one on top of the other stacked so they wouldn't leaK and flood by design, but even if they did, it'd only be a g all on or 2 of water. Reason for this innovation is sometimes I'm away from home for 1-3 months on business trips and itd certainly be dried up by the time I got back. My current system is comprised of 2 dehumidifiers in the house, tubed up to a fogger unit, so it has an infinite distilled water source as long as there is humidity in the air. However my current layout is in need of replacement/rework.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
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snoochy42 said:
I'm away from home for 1-3 months on business trips and itd certainly be dried up by the time I got back.


Yes, and your fruiting mushrooms will be overly mature and rot away to nothing....you have to be there when it's time to harvest them or it's just a waste....


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart]
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:whathesaid:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PussyFart]
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I could have someone check on them once or twice a week, but I don't want to have to pay a friend to go water them daily.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
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Many people have tried to automate the SGFC without success. Unless your friend knows what he's looking at and what to look for, then there's no point.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Eh, I could relocate one of my panning security cameras I suppose and tell them when to harvest, but my parents are easily trainable.


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Your parents are trainable...? That's kind of disrespectful lol


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Lol. Not at all. My parents love the fact that I dabble in almost everything in live and they want me to teach them about anything I learn, I'm writing a research manifest on medicinal herbs and fungus, thier assistance would go to a greater cause. My mother is already highly interested,  they are the doomsday prepper type, so if it's edible, they want to learn.


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:facepalm:


also the SGFC is already automated.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
:facepalm:


also the SGFC is already automated.


But not fully automated,  it doesn't self water or self harvest.... yet. Lol

Edit: actually that's not even really automated. All it is in a slow release humidity and low velocity fae slow release mechanism.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: snoochy42]
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A really handy thing to have is an enormous plastic tub, big enough to fit your terrarium inside.  After a while, two things will start to happen...your perlite will dry out, and it will compact.  You can, as suggested above, pour water over it.  Even better, you can pressurize the water (sprayer nozzle on hose, or thumb over hose) which will help to fluff it up as well as rehydrate it.  However, my preferred method is to put the whole thing into a larger tub, and fill it with water until the perlite starts to float a bit.  Presto!  Fully rehydrated, and fluffed up!  Also, if you have house guests who will be getting a tour of your entire place, you can put your terrarium inside the giant (opaque) tub and put the lid on it.  Obviously this will prevent fresh air exchange, but you can do it for a few hours without really hurting anything.

You can tell your perlite is drying out by feeling it with your hand.  It will feel dry.  You can try to mist it, I suppose, but you risk hand cramps.

As for bulk substrates...elevate them off the surface of the perlite.  There is an item you can find at a lot of dollar stores.  It's like a tray with 2 inch sides, but perforated with square holes.  Like a plastic screen with walls.  Turn them upside down and put the bulk substrates on top of them.  This allows air flow through the perlite to proceed largely unimpeded.  There are a number of other possible solutions along the same line.  Hardware cloth...stilts...hopefully you get the idea.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PocketRevolution]
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I have a question about the sgfc method in regards to this video



Im sure you have all seen this video as it is probably the noobs (like me) go to video for pf/brf.

In the video, he does not birth the cakes by dunk and roll. Why is this? Do I understand correctly that the dunk and roll method will yield more fruit?

He also seems deathly afraid of any water coming into direct contact with the cakes. Yet most other instruction, like yours, say to directly mist the cakes. I understand this not only has to do with possible water contaminants, but also risk of drowning the mycelium. Is it best just to soak the perlite (and re-soak) or is misting the cakes necessary? Also, should distilled water be used?

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Don't listen to that garbage. http://www.mushroomvideos.com


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Quote:
Yet most other instruction, like yours, say to directly mist the cakes. I understand this not only has to do with possible water contaminants, but also risk of drowning the mycelium.


Nah. It has to do with myths that your pins will abort if you mist them directly.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Kizzle]
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:whathesaid:

and noobs going and finding shit videos on youtube like the one just posted above. looks professional but it's laughable at best.


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bodhisatta said:
and noobs going and finding shit videos on youtube like the one just posted above. looks professional but it's laughable at best.


Are you trying to saying that not everything on the Internet is accurate or true?! *gasp* (sarcasm) ^.^


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good info on the internet is like a needle in a hay stack but that's why they teach grade schoolers research skills.


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bodhisatta said:
:whathesaid:

and noobs going and finding shit videos on youtube like the one just posted above. looks professional but it's laughable at best.


lol, i love the "mycology advice" comments on youtube videos. :lmafo:


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I can't help but think about all the kids I run into that are into psychedelics that try telling me things about mushrooms like they're experts and I'm just dying on the inside. those are the people posting comments on youtube. they usually have nicknames like "nyk syn" and their backpack has stolen shit in it.


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I had this guy try to seriously convince me that sterilizing grains in a pc was "an unnecessary step" and That he "got a dry pound MINIMUM per tub"  ... I just let him keep talking like:noargument:


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blackdust or blackout? their results speak for their merit.


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I work with a know-it-all. I laugh inside when he tells me how to grow. I wished I could correct him, but he don't grow, so I let him think what he wants. Sometimes I'll say something like "I bet it's harder than it seems", then he's like "naw man, just gotta get some cow shit, put some spores on it, and keep it in a dark place. The hard part is getting the spores because they only produce one time a year."


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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One of the hardest parts of this hobby is not being able to talk about it. May be THE hardest part actually.


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lmao, true story. I feel like I go insane if I don't periodically update atleast one good friend of my progress...


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I try and talk to my GF about it, but she is really just interested in the end result lol. Plus she gets tired of me taking up all the room in our fridge :lol:


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yeah...my gf is the same. I'll talk and talk about specifics and it always boils down to "cool, when are they gonna be ready?" :lmafo:


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Hey babe check out this awesome culture! I get a, "You're such a nerd, but I love you". Lol. Sorry for being off topic SBJ.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: stareatclouds]
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Good read but misting these cakes (if you are using cakes) directly probably would not be so good right? Especially if the sprayer has a very wet spray with little mist.

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Cubicinches said:
Good read but misting these cakes (if you are using cakes) directly probably would not be so good right? Especially if the sprayer has a very wet spray with little mist.


No. As far as I know u SHOULD mist the cakes (not the fruits) directly :wink:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Abshroom]
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Mist the cakes and fruits directly. A fine mist is preferable.

Spraying a fine mist directly on the fruits and cakes does not cause damage unless you are over-misting and/or maybe using a hard spray.

I tend to spray from outside the tub so that the cakes and fruits don't feel the impact of the force from the sprayer. This also will help keep the perlite damp.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Mist until fruits glisten.  :thumbup:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said:
Mist the cakes and fruits directly. A fine mist is preferable.

Spraying a fine mist directly on the fruits and cakes does not cause damage unless you are over-misting and/or maybe using a hard spray.

I tend to spray from outside the tub so that the cakes and fruits don't feel the impact of the force from the sprayer. This also will help keep the perlite damp.


Thanks alot I'll keep that in mind. Probably take a bottle of water to a store and test spray bottle before buying Hahaha

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Cubicinches]
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The ones used for misting plants are pretty good. I use one of those that you pump with air for pressure. They mist heavy and fine. Similar to this

http://www.amazon.com/Industrial-Tools-Pressurized-Mister-Sprayer/dp/B003LE0SLS/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1425783313&sr=8-7&keywords=plant+mister

The trigger pump kind always seem to wear out fast for me. :shrug:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I have one of those! Holy shit. Didn't even think about that..

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Cubicinches]
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I enjoyed reading your sgfc and it's what I will be doing myself this Tuesday. I was just curious, as I'm sure you are familiar with it as well. I plan on doing this in a certain order..

1: build a sgfc &  sab.

2: making pastys simlle Agar tek.

3: inoculation.

Now I'm just curious What's the best thing to use Agar to inoculate and if it would be compatible with the sgfc.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Cubicinches] * 1
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make a grain jar lid for your PF Cake, skip the dry verm barrier. and then in a still air box inoculate the jar by taking the lid off and placing a agar wedge into the jar using good sterile technique.


I used a quart jar but only put a half pint of substrate in, so that it would not stall out, but you could do it with a smaller jar.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta] * 1
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Okay, what exactly is a grain jar lid? And what condition should I keep a pasty Agar in? Fridge or darkrroom temperature? What do you suggest for the grain?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Cubicinches]
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Also it looks like you don't have a lid on that jar? Have you been fruiting that in a sab or a chamber?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Cubicinches]
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This thread is about SGFC's. Please get back on topic. Thank you.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said:
This thread is about SGFC's. Please get back on topic. Thank you.


:whathesaid:

true that it's really easy to make your own brand new thread.

but if you make a thread called what's a grain jar lid you'll get flamed. so look it up. grain jar lid TEK. newer than 5 years with images. only one post per thread, only search mushroom cultivation. tick the Trusted Cultivator box if you want.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21379861

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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This post by far is very helpful. I'm just beginning. My son suffers from clusters.... Ugh!  We are so glad we found you guys.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: rrdmx]
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I have 50/50 coco,verm mix and 2:1 ratio to spawn.I filled 2-3 inches on the bottom of solo cups that I'm using as trays. I pasteurized and let them sit in the dark. Today is the sixth day and the mycelium emerged through the top of the surface. Do you think its time to fruit in shotgun chamber? Should I mist or soak them or put a casing and if so what do you recomend?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Phishnchips]
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Sure, all sounds good but not exactly necessary. Try some with case and some without see if it benefits in your environment. Experimentation is your best teacher.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Thanx for a great post on sgfc's!
I really like the design and understand the principles, I understand the airflow and evaporation etc...
Unfortunately it got me a bit bummed out...
Maybe this will make you spin, but I wonder if there is any adjustments to do to lower the mist and fan count per day?
You see, I work pretty much, and are usually away from home 14 hour/day, does this mean that sgfc's are out of the question for me?
Right now I run a very small improvised fruiting chamber with a few small holes in it, I only have time to mist and fan 2-3 times per day, and that is just, barely, enough for that fc.
With your design I am sure you get very much improved performance, but with no one to take care of the misting during day time I wonder if you could lower the amount of holes, of course with some loss in performance, but still.??
Or should I just give up and go for other fc design?
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: braincrash]
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Thanks for the feed back, but this isn't anywhere near my design. All I did was try to explain it another way and break down how it functions. But, I did not invent it.

To, answer your question, the recommendations for fanning and misting are considered optimal for this design, but that does not mean it won't work for you.

Your work schedule may mean that you have to mist more heavenly and/or get a good thick coat of verm on them when you roll.

You really have to just keep an on cakes anyway. I think 14 hours or so without misting is manageable, but I have no honest recommendations for alter or modifying the tub. Even if you try to cover some of the holes, the cakes will still dry unless you keep up with the misting.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Oki, thanx for your input.
I have finished one of my fc's, rolled the cakes yesterday and tried to get as much verm on as possible. B4 rolling I ground the verm in my hands so it got finer and that way I hope it holds moist better.
Time will show!
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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With SGFC do u get leakage at the bottom? Seems easier that what I have been doin... And I have an air bubbler, would fanning be better, I do a bit of both but I def see now that my humidity is too high! I adjusted some things ( lowered temp, and will remove part of the top of the tank which makes it fully covered) ( it's a little plastic piece) this will allow for more of a flow of air, would u recommend fanning or keeping the air bubbler going constantly for now until I decide I want to switch my chamber up?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Leeper]
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Or just make it the right way..........


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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Do you guys have issues with perlite and cakes drying out super fast with SGFC in a room with central air heating?

Cause i did, and its no bueno.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Nope, close the vent if it's a huge problem or move it away. I live in Wisconsin in the winter there is no RH in the house I get shocked every three seconds from static. Mist the perlite too with the cakes


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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i used to live in a house where the vent was fixed as well as the temp was fixed for the whole house.

I remember having to use a syringe to squirt water thru the SGFC holes to get the perlige moist everyday lol

I finally just taped some holes, way too much drying out.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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HVAC is the reason I closed up my vent and covered with tape. I put an oil-filed plug in radiator with a thermostat in there for winter time. It's very efficient.

I've come to the conclusion that many things in cultivation are not one size fits all. But, I find it's better to start with what is known to work for most people and make adjustments and changes from there.

If taping up some of the holes works for you, then go for it. You will need to make sure you are still getting enough FAE though. You may not know if you are or not because you may not have enough experience to have an eye for the signs.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I agree fully :thumbup:

Start with proven design then modify for your own situation.

In the future, i am going to make my own unique version of the SGFC. Cant share any details yet.

Stay tuned....

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Hello everybody, it's me again. ..
You may not remember... I was going for the sgfc design in this thread and last time I was worried about the mist&fan frequency  because of my long working days.
In the end I went for this design anyway to try it out.
I must say, the shroom count I got in this fruiting chamber is nothing more than incredible! (see pics)
When I come home at night and tend to my grows I sometimes notice it is very dry in the fc, i go loose with the mister and moist everything, including perlite. The pin count is just amazing, but the shrooms brake their veils very early (the shrooms in the pic  broke their the day after the pic was taken).
Is this because humidity is too low and cakes dry out too quickly?

I have another almost identical sgfc right beside the one with the pf cakes in it. Only difference is that one has slightly smaller holes in it with two popcorn trays in it, and that one is holding humidity much better, but then you have the fae to consider.
Results will soon show, the popcorn has just begun pinning, so it ought to be done in a week.
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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: braincrash]
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U just have verm on those cakes or something else with the verm? Have u ever mixed casing soil with verm? About to put some cakes in my first shotgun and just seeking the best method!

I wouldn't think that them being a bit dry would make them pop after adding moisture, but I'm newer to this! About 3-4 months in! I would assume more moisture would allow for extended growth. U spraying the mushies too or just the walls and perlite? Maybe they r just pullin smaller fruits? 

Also, good looking batch!! :smile:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Leeper]
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On the pf cakes I use only fine ground vermiculite, most people do. I seldom hear anyone use some else casing for it. For my popcorn trays I use a 50/50+ casing layer of coir/verm +gypsum. The simplest possible but seems to work very well... don't dry out as quickly as the verm does in the sgfc.
When I mist,  I mist everything but the walls of the fc. The main point of misting is to make the casing layer lightly moist,
when water evaporates from the casing it triggers pinning.
Here's pics of the 50/50+ casing in action. Second pic is right after birth, the first pic was taken two days ago, a week after birth.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: braincrash]
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Maybe I'll quit spraying my walls so much and focus more on the casing! :smile: I think I have been misting too damn much!! :frown: I'll stop for a while til it dries a bit ( but not too much)  and stop spraying my tank! How high above ur casings and cakes is ur light?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Leeper]
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I use a 50W full spectrum grow led, too powerful for shrooms, directed at the wall (white painted) on the opposite side of the fc's.  The light is about a meter from the wall and the wall is almost a meter from the fc's.
This makes for a clear white ambient light and seems to work beautiful...
but I am quite new at growing shrooms so you may want someone more experienced to answer what works best.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: braincrash]
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Ok, cool! I'm usin a 15 watt and it's about 2 feet above the tub!  The top of the tub is cloudy so it refracts a lot of the light so it's not so direct! My casing seems to be poppin pins though, have three that are about to become an actual mushroom! Just pulled a little fatty today! My decrease in misting seems to be workin great! :smile:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Liverwort]
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Hey there,

Just want to throw a bit of life back in this thread by asking a question.
I'm just about to give the SGFC a go as an upgrade from using a grow bag. With the grow bags I've used a heat mat as the temperature of the room is quite hard to maintain at a stable temp. Usually ranges between 15°C - 25°C at a guess.
Anyway, question is do I need to find an alternative way of providing heat as I can't put the heat mat on the SGFC without blocking the holes for FAE.

Any thoughts, opinions or gut feelings are welcome.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: The Dalcassian]
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If you don't need a winter coat in your grow room the temps are fine


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: cronicr]
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Also if you do need heat. The heat should be far away from the SGFC. Heat the room not the chamber. A chamber warmer than the room it's in is bad news


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said:
Also if you do need heat. The heat should be far away from the SGFC. Heat the room not the chamber. A chamber warmer than the room it's in is bad news


Good to know. I was under the impression that a stable 23°C was quiet critical but the more I read in here the less important it seems to be.

If you couldn't have guessed, I'm growing cubes at the moment, does heat become an issue when growing any other races or is it a bit of a moot point when growing at home indoors. Only asking out of curiosity as the temp was stressed to me quite heavily when I got my first grow kit.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: The Dalcassian]
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The temp only really matters with Woodlovers like Cyanescens and Azurescens, but with all Cubensis as long as the temp is ranged from about 65(bare minimum) to 85 during fruiting/ colonization you should be okay. Like stated before you shouldn't ever point a heater at a tub to heat it this will only evaporate all the moisture inside your substrate.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: The Dalcassian]
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RainboWarrior said:
bodhisatta said:
Also if you do need heat. The heat should be far away from the SGFC. Heat the room not the chamber. A chamber warmer than the room it's in is bad news


Good to know. I was under the impression that a stable 23°C was quiet critical but the more I read in here the less important it seems to be.

If you couldn't have guessed, I'm growing cubes at the moment, does heat become an issue when growing any other races or is it a bit of a moot point when growing at home indoors. Only asking out of curiosity as the temp was stressed to me quite heavily when I got my first grow kit.

Off to buy my SGFC set-up today :-)


All the grows ive ever done most are in the mid 60s so below 20C


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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good one thank you!

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Another good one man, ill take it all into consideration when i start my first grow!!


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Cepheus16]
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I've read a few teks but I haven't found anywhere that lists any suggested size for the SGFC.  I figure it's because it depends on the size of your project.  I'm considering trying about 5 1/2 pint jars, would a 20-30qt container be sufficient?  I know if it's too small, there might not be enought air flow

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: karda]
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Does anyone know if a sgfc will work as well if only one single cake is in it?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Qjsands]
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No, you should make at least 6-12 cakes


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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That's what I figured. I only have one cake right now and no more spore syringes or anything so im trYing the 2 liter bottle tek. Praying for a mushroom I can print it and make like 50 cakes.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Qjsands]
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So you dont fill holes with poly?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Stemsncaps]
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thatd be a negative bud. you use poly in a mono-tube to regulate fae whereas the sgfc (when built properly) should naturally regulate fae. but im still new here so take that with a grain of salt.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Cepheus16]
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No polyfil with a SGFC at all ever


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Solid post. I'll be referencing this when I start my sgfc.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: GrimCoffee]
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Hey, I'm new here and just wanted to clarify - does the SGFC need to have a clear lid, or can it have a solid color since there are going to be holes drilled into the lid?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: TFF9toes]
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Clear is best but you can get light in from the sides


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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nice

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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hello and thank you for the post i have few questions, im new so give understanding!

1: will this chamber fruit a colonized straw substrate? (cubensis)

2: when the mushrooms start to fruit do i also mist them and the substrate or i stop misting?

thanks alot :smile:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss]
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Yes you can fruit a tray in a sgfc, ull want to keep the tray elevated off the perlite a bit to allow air flow n evaporation through the perlite.
Yes you should keep misting just enough to keep proper surface conditions

It can work but probably not the most ideal route , you should look into shoe boxes

Edited by Marmie (10/18/17 01:37 PM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Marmie]
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thank you for your answer,

as i understood at fruiting stage i keep misting everything inside sgfc also the shrooms. i keep some space from the colonized substrate and the perlite and this works for straw substrate but not the best method. correct me if i have anything wrong.

do i have to sterilize perlite before i put it in SGFC? and if its yes, how?

can you post a link how to build a shoe box please?

thanks again!

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss] * 1
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No need to sterilze the perlite


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: cronicr]
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Depends how big ur substrate is, you dont want the whole surface area of ur sgfc covered other wise it defeats its purpose, they really work better with just cakes, bulk in a sgfc is just impractical IMO. Id just go mono or a shoebox.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Marmie]
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thank you guys alot. i was up for shotgun because is not expensive and simple. ill check the shoebox and mono :smile:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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hello, please check the pictures above and tell me if there is anything wrong or if i have to change something.

there is space between substrate and perlite. the plastic that makes the space has holes.

the case is 67l.

straw substrate. dunked 24h.

5-6 inches perlite. should i add some more? it abit lot space i think.

thank you guys!

Edited by Psychedeliciouss (10/28/17 08:06 AM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss]
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Looks good man

It looks like its rite up agains the wall, if it is id move it a couple inches out to give those back holes some room to flow


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss]
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Those are some interesting looking potatoes u have there.

The SGFC should be about a foot from any wall.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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alright ill move it abit :smile: haha interesting looking potatoes!

humidity in the room sometimes drops below 30% what should i do?
and what light? 6000 lumen?

thank you :smile:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss]
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Dont worry about the room's ambient rH. What matters is making sure the INSIDE of your SGFC doesnt dry out. it can have varying moist (from misting) and drying out (from ambient air), just make sure it never becomes bone dry. Must be somewhat moist inside at all times. Dried out substrates is a shroom killer.

And yes, 6000K light is fine. Lumes, not sure on that one. But at least 25watts output for a small SGFC I would argue.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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hey thank you for your answer!

at first i mist and after i fan, how long should i fan? how many times per day misting and faning?

i also have some vermiculite should i grind and cover the substrate?

i will change the lamp of the whole room so what should i buy?

thank you again and sorry for so many questions im new and im trying to understand! :smile:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss]
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Fanning isnt necessary. The SgFC takes care of that.

No need to grind up the verm. Just dunk cakes then roll in verm. U can grind it if u want, but unecessary.

I use a 26watt CFL in the daylight specktrum (6000k). Any desklamp will work.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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thank you so much :smile:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss]
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am i supposed to do anything to the perlite? like wet it or anything or just throw it in dry and it becomes damp from misting??  or whats the method to making it damp.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: thewiseguywithaj]
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Soak it in the shower, let it get real soaked then let it drain n your good to go


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Marmie]
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hello again everything goes well until now should see first pins soon it passed a week from when i soaked and drained the perlite,the questions is how often should i soak and drain the perlite? once every flush?
room humidity is 20% and worry if perlite gets really dry. room temp is well 23c-25c.

between each misting should i wait for mycelium to dry and then mist again? most times is still wet and glowing. note i always over mist until mycelium is watery. i mist 4-6 times per day.

please correct me and answer my question!

thank you :smile:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psychedeliciouss]
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Wait, I thought the purpose of the SGFC was to reduce misting and fanning. You know, for guys that have jobs and shit.

I'm going to mist once in the am and once when I get home in the evening. I figure the perlite should handle the rest inbetween.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Dace5]
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I just can't seem to get my rh high enough. It just hovers around 70% regardless of misting. I've tried wetting the perlite more as well.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: tpizzle21]
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Don't read a gauge for starters.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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Oh, ok so I don't need the gauge? I figured that's what was wrong.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: tpizzle21]
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Hey everyone :hi:

Long time lurker, first time poster

So, I'm just about to start my first grow. Unfortunately I've been tempted to the dark side and purchased growkits from the Netherlands.

Upon further research I now realise this method is unpopular for several reasons. Rip-off costs and lack of mycological craft aside it appears it's not optimal for a successful grow.

I've read a lot of threads about SGFC, PF Tek, Dub & Mono Tubs and I'm keen to adapt my grow kits and follow a better system for fruiting.

The kits are the plastic tub/filter bag style with 100% colonised substrate. Each kit is 1200ml volume.

I purchased 2x Mckennai, 1x Mazapatec and 1x Golden teacher, not that it's entirely relevant, but I thought you would like to know.

I should add, I will be taking prints from my crop to grow my own in the future. This was always my intention:super:

My thought is to create a SGFC to house the growkit cakes. My options are thus:

1 - remove the cakes from the plastic tubs they ship in, birth them like a BRF cake, dunk & roll in verm and fruit in the SGFC.

2 - treat the individual tubs like shoeboxes, perhaps case the top of the cake with verm and fruit in the SGFC.

My grow room is an even 18-21*C (night/day) with indirect, north facing window light so I have no worries about the environment.

My one issue is, around the expected 2nd or 3rd flush I will be away for 8 days. I've read many conflicting posts about whether this will be ok. I guess I could just mist heavily on the morning of my departure and seal up a few holes to reduce evaporation.

Keeping the cakes in their individual tubs might help keep them hydrated whilst I'm away, what do you folks think?

Si

EDIT:

Apologies if this post seems like it's in the wrong place. My primary intention is to use a SGFC - hence why it's posted here.

My workflow leading up to the SGFC is unconventional I know. I hope this post enables other noobs like myself to use a SGFC to pull back from a growkit nosedive!

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Psyman]
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Hey Psy,

I think having done what you’re looking at doing, I’d probably dunk the cakes as recommended, then grate them to bulk substrate into a monotub using coir prepared like the way BOD does.

I think others have said that moons produce better.

And to be honest, I know it’s  probably cheaper to do it yourself, but there is a place in the community for the kind of kits that are made in the NL. Mine was good quality and the service was good. I’ll do it myself later, but I probably wouldn’t have started if I had to start from scratch... having these kits made the hobby accessible in a way that going from scratch hasn’t.

Now I’m preparing to grow edibles as a hobby, have ordered some pink oysters and will grow them instead when they arrive.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: MushroomOfLife]
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Hi folks, I'm about 4 days away from the birth, dunk, and roll :-) This is my first grow, and I'm about to create my first SGFC with 14 BRF jars.

Question 1: is my container big enough, or too big?
It is 110 qt / 104 liters.

Here are pics with my jars for reference:



Question 2: I have one bag of perlite that is 8 dry qt / 8.8 liter. Is this enough, or should I purchase another bag?

Thanks!

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: boozer]
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pour 8 qts of water in the tote and see how full it is


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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OK will do. Just curious to know if it's clearly obvious that this container is too big.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: boozer] * 1
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No. it's not too big. Just make sure you have your hole right and 3-4 inches of damp perlite. Place the cakes toward the center.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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How much should the humidity fluctuate in a SGFC? Mine runs from about 85% down to 65% over the course of a day. Very weird.  Should I be doing something to control the humidity or just chill and let it be??

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Will the SGFC work properly if I were to put in on my back porch?  I’m on the second floor of an apartment and the back porch has a 4ft wall, fully screened in and shaded all day long.

Thank you

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Thank you for this guide : D


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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So I was wondering, my bottom is pretty flat, could I pole the holes that are suppose to be on the bottom on sides but low ground level?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Drohammad] * 1
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Hey all followed through and through on the directions to make a proper SGFC and used a brown rice verm substrate to inoc in.

Question is I've noticed the big cap has an indention, can any pin point the cause ?




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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: flyingcap]
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We're those by chance pinning before u birthed


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: flyingcap]
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Your cakes look pretty wet. You might be misting too much.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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Thank you Jedi. It works really nice:grin:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: sombrero]
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Nice work. :thumbup:

How many unbirthed cakes do you have? It could get crowded in there.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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How many cakes can I put in a 64 quart Sterilite 1928? I have 11 cakes total, not sure how many to put in each SGFC, but cakes are ready to birth so I need to make the SGFC asap.

Thank you for the detailed instructions. I wasn't sure if holes went on the bottom and the lid, but now I know.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: UghIHateLoginNames]
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:aweyeah:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: UghIHateLoginNames]
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UghIHateLoginNames said:
How many cakes can I put in a 64 quart Sterilite 1928? I have 11 cakes total, not sure how many to put in each SGFC, but cakes are ready to birth so I need to make the SGFC asap.

Thank you for the detailed instructions. I wasn't sure if holes went on the bottom and the lid, but now I know.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Wow, great thread, and awesome information that even a complete n00b like me can understand in your first post, SpitballJedi!

I am about to sit down with this thread and pore through all ten pages of info and responses. I have watched RogerRabbit's videos at leat 5 times each, and am gearing up to get started. I'm sure as I learn I will have more questions, but let's start with one.

In the OP of this thread, you mention you use a 64 quart Sterilite 1928 for your SGFG. I have looked these containers, and I can get the see through 64 quart Sterilite containers locally from Home Depot for dirt cheap. However, what does the "1928" signify? Is that some grade or attribute I need to look for? These are the ones I am looking at:

64 Quart Latching Sterilite See Through Box

64 Quart Latching Sterilite See Through Box

Both are dirt cheap, at $7.98 USD, but I can't find any mention of 1928 in any of these types of boxes.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
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Okay, so I ended up buying the 70 Quart Sterilite container, clear box and clear top. I have a couple of questions about the SGFC, though I am getting about 3-4 weeks ahead of myself since I won't be inoculating until next week sometime.

1. How much Perlite will I need for that sized SGFC? I purchased this 2 Cubic Foot Bag. Also see pic below. Will that amount be enough for the 70 Qt container?

2. I ordered one syringe of Golden Teacher, and the unnamed sponsor site is sending me an extra freebbie syringe for mentioning Shroomery.org. Since I have 24 wide-neck 8 ounce mason jars, I was thinking of just blowing my load all at once. Should I inoculate all 24 jars? I only ask because if I only do, say 12 jars, then when I am ready to put the cakes into the SGFC, the box may be waaaaay too big for 12 jars. I measured the bottom of the box, and it seems like it would fit a total of 28 cakes with small spaces between them. So would 24 cakes be too much and would 12 cakes be too few for that space?



Pic of container:


Perlite I purchased:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LSA Woodrose] * 1
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70qt is pretty huge. Id recommend two of those bags of perlite. I like to fill my SGFC half way up the container.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
70qt is pretty huge. Id recommend two of those bags of perlite. I like to fill my SGFC half way up the container.



Wow that's a lot of perlite. So be it, then! The thing I am wondering, in this vein, is if I am using a box that huge, would I be better off inoculating 24 jars to make 24 cakes, which should fit in that box? If not, and you would, let's say, recommend only doing 12 jars for 12 cakes, wouldn't I be better off saving that 70 Qt box and buying something about half that size for a first SGFC? It seems like that box I have would be a lot of wasted space for only 12 cakes, thus forcing me to use twice the Perlite?

Not sure if my thinking is logical here.


tl;dr - I don't mind using a whopping 4 Cu feet of Perlite, but if I am going to use that much, then shouldn't I make double the number of cakes?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LSA Woodrose]
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so what i'm wondering is can you put a case fan under the SGFC? since you said air from below is humid , can you explain a bit about that? thank you

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Hi gang,

I don't post often and I'm a super Noob (I've only fruited less then twenty times) but I just wanted to add this to the mix:

  • I have never drilled holes in my fruiting chambers. There are no holes in the tub at all.
  • I use 16x11x7 tubs with the matching, fitted covers they were sold with.
  • I bought some humidity meters (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GNMKYCZ) and cut out rectangular slots that match the size of the meters near the top middle of each tub and snapped one into each tub)
  • I fill them with a couple inches of damp perlite.
  • I cut out little squares of tin foil that approximate the size of the colonized cakes and set them on the perlite.
  • I set up nine cakes (up to twelve has worked) per tub, on top of the foil squares.
  • I set the lids on top but don't lock the lids down to allow for FAE through the subtle gap
  • I don't raise the tubs off the surface, I just have these sitting on top of my kitchen cabinets.


Once I populate the tubs, I can just glance up every day to observe the humidity - it stays at 100% for a few days after setup, then I need to open the top and mist every couple of days when the humidity drops under 100%. When I spray, I just spray at the lid, not at the cakes.

My experience is that once the fruits start coming, the whole thing just kind of blows up for about a week.

Once the fruits stop popping (not pooping) regularly, I pull the cakes, clean em up, then dunk for 48, do it again for up to three total runs, then I dump em.

The 7" height of the tubs have not impacted growth of any of the strains I've been cultivating - I have gotten some surprisingly large fruits.

I've repeatedly gotten pretty fantastic results with this technique - For the first round with new cakes (before the second dunk and roll), it's a regular fruiting frenzy.

Edited by sphongle (03/29/20 09:34 AM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Just wondering once you get pinning are you still suppose to mist the cakes directly ?? Have heard pins abort from misting ?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Should I mist after pins have formed on cakes and should the light cycle be 12hr on 12hrs off?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Hardstyle]
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Yes you can mist your cakes. Misting doesn't cause aborts. Also 12/12 is ideal for a light cycle.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Thank you so much for posting this stuff :thumbup: I am in preparation of actually trying to grow my first batch of mushrooms. I am going to use your TEK's. I have a couple of questions on the matter. They're actually a bit more about the content of the link to mushroomvideos.com containing more details on setting up a terrarium for SGFC set up.

  • The site there is referring to a difference in humidity requirements between cakes and cased substrates. I am actually a bit of a loss as to what a cased substrate is here? Can you give me an example.
  • So the link's content says that it is a good idea to add 12-12 photoperiod using fluorescent lamp. Can this be the same kind of fluorescent lamp you can also you use for growing plants indoor?  E.g.lamps having 4000 lx.
  • The last element that confuses me, is the presence of natural daylight. So it says that it is safe to have a terrarium in a room that has a window or even preferrable. As long the terarrium is not directly hit by sun rays. So how does presence of natural daylight complement or makes the fluorescent lamp redundant?


Thanks again :smile:

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I’ve watch the Let’s Grow Mushroom Video a few times now and my first mushrooms are almost ready for the SGFC. This is the first time everything actually makes sense to me. I’m happy about that. It’s good to know that with good resources, understanding this gets easier...


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Kalian]
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Would it be ok to use 40 liter container? Only doing 3 1/2 pint cakes so i was thinking if it would be waste of perlite to fill 65 liter container for such a small quantity of cakes?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Thank you for this post, SpitballJedi.
I am planning to grow mushrooms as a side project, which I have never tried before.
I want to let you know that the methods I'll be trying have all been written by you (I think).

Thank you sincerely for the work you've done !

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
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What about making smaller holes? If someone didn't have a 1/4" drillbit, could they make smaller, slightly more numerous holes? Will that adversely affect the SGFC?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: edgar1337]
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Perhaps. You can also use larger holes in fewer larger holes such as 3/8" holes.

Ive made SGFC with less-than-spec holes and it still works great.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
Perhaps. You can also use larger holes in fewer larger holes such as 3/8" holes.

Ive made SGFC with less-than-spec holes and it still works great.


What about the holes on the bottom. I keep seeing mixed messages with that. Some say bigger or more holes on the bottom so the air rises through moist perlite, but others say use the same amount of holes.

Also, is there a way to test if your SGFC is working properly without putting cakes in and seeing if they fail or not?

Or is it really not that complicated? As in, there isn't a whole lot of room for failure, just as long as it has holes?


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Edited by edgar1337 (10/12/20 06:21 PM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: edgar1337]
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edgar1337 said:
LogicaL Chaos said:
there isn't a whole lot of room for failure



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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Question: how do you keep the chamber at the right  temperature? I just bought a heating mat for germinating seeds. Will this work? How do I position it?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: BondVillain]
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Don't use a heating mat. It will be too warm.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Brian Jones]
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Is this method preferable to the “water tub tek” method? I’m debating which one to use.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: BondVillain] * 1
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The water tub precedes the SGFC and exploits the resilience of one species to poor air exchange. It falls into the category of choke chambers like the monotub or unmodified tubs. It's also among the easiest methods to fruit P.cubensis. If that's all you intend to grow have at it.

The SGFC is not a one trick pony and addresses the requirements of many species. When built and used as described it works fantastic with minimal tending.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bobwastaken]
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bobwastaken said:
The water tub precedes the SGFC and exploits the resilience of one species to poor air exchange. It falls into the category of choke chambers like the monotub or unmodified tubs. It's also among the easiest methods to fruit P.cubensis. If that's all you intend to grow have at it.

The SGFC is not a one trick pony and addresses the requirements of many species. When built and used as described it works fantastic with minimal tending.


Thanks for the response. I'm growing B+ mushroom species but am also thinking about doing some gourmet mushrooms as well.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Should i fill holes with cotton? should I fan cakes directly? should i use spray on my cakes or on walls? should I open SFGC?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Lamuni1]
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No Don't stuff the holes. Notice how no where did it say to do that. Don't make up your own directions.

Fanning is unnecessary. You're overthinking it. You fan the sgfc which has the cakes in it. You fan by waving the lid a couple times after misting. If you feel like it.

Walls don't grow. Neither does plastic. Of course spray the cakes.

You have to open the sgfc to mist...


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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Ty mate <3 now i get everything (almost)


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: bodhisatta]
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oh and yes one more question how do you think should i use lamp or natural light is enough? if i should use lamps. where do i place them on the lid?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Lamuni1]
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how can i deff my chamber from containment ??? what are chances when i fan after spraying my cakes will get infected? is infection that serious?


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Lamuni1]
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Subscribed!

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Fun_Guy5387]
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Hey everyone,
My understanding is that my tub needs holes drilled into the bottom, but my perlite is small grains and I'm worried it will drop out through the holes.

Is there a different kind of perlite I should get or is that the right stuff?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: NZ.huntress]
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most people just deal with a little mess underneath it. but you could get a $10 roll of synthetic window screen to put on the bottom that would hold it in without affecting air flow


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: Munchauzen]
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Ah yes!! Thank you, that's a great idea

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Do I still need to use vermiculite or is it substituted here for perlite?

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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SpitballJedi said:
This is part of my series "The Basics"

Principles and construction of Shotgun Fruiting Chambers (SGFC):

This guide is not focused on PF/BRF cakes per se. It's really just the basics of how the SGFC works. Having the basic concept of how it works is a good foundation to build on.

How it's made

A properly made SGFC Is made of a clear/transparent tote with 1/4" holes on all 6 sides about 2" apart in a grid pattern. All 6 sides means the 4 vertical sides AND top AND bottom.

They need 4"-5" of damp perlite. You may need to rinse the perlite a few times to get rid of the dust. The dust can accumulate at the bottom, clogging the holes. A few pieces of perlite may fall through the hole, but only a few.

Principle of operation

A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).

The fresh air flows in through the bottom holes and rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.

Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.

And yes, fresh air also comes in through other holes as well, but without it coming in through the damp perllite, your SGFC and cakes will dry out faster, the perlite becomes practically useless, and your FAE is reduced.

Some Things to Consider

The SGFC must not sit directly on a flat surface. It needs to be elevated. If not elevated, air can't flow in through the bottom and the whole system breaks down.

You can set your SGFC on some half-pint wide-mouth jars to elevate it. I would say at least 2 inches is minimum.

I made a little stand for mine out of some PVC I had laying around. It's about 4" tall



Running a fan in the room with your SGFC will also disrupt the natural currents and dry everything out too fast.

Because of the constant FAE, your cakes will dry out if not misted regularly.

Mist your cakes till they glisten with moisture. There is a magic time when your cakes are no longer glistening, but they still appear moist, this is when you want to mist again. The Misted Cake Project is a thread for pics of cakes to show what they look like at various stages of growth before and after misting. This thread will hopefully help you understand when to mist.

Mist as often as required. Schedules may vary slightly from region to region, but 3-6 times a day is pretty common. Misting and then evaporation off the cake surface promotes pin formation.

Mist cakes directly with a fine mist. The over-spray helps keep your perlite damp. Misting the walls serves absolutely no purpose.

Only fan after misting. The reason for fanning is to empty the SGFC of humid air. The is jump-starts evaporation from the cakes. If you fan between misting, then you risk drying the cakes out too much too fast. It's debatable if fanning even really makes a difference. I don't fan. If you do fan, it only takes a couple waves of the lid to empty the chamber.


Condensation

Condensation forms on the inside walls when the temperature inside the SGFC is higher than outside the SGFC. A properly made SGFC shouldn't have enough of a temperature difference to cause condensation. If it does, then you are not likely getting good FAE. In other words, condensation is not a good sign of proper humidity, instead it's more of a sign of low FAE.


Tub Size

Your SGFC needs to have enough room for 4-5 inches of perlite plus 5-10 inches of head space for cakes and growth. I use a 64 quart Sterilite 1928.

Really big totes can cause cakes on the outer edge to dry/evaporate faster do to uneven circulation. Really small totes are not big enough to create it's own circulation system.

Word to the wise: Don't get too bogged down wanting to know why stuff is done the way it's done or coming up with your own clever modifications or methods. Instead, do what is known to work and figure out why later.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Thank you so much Jedi! I now better understand the physics behind a SGFC.:thumbup:

Edited by spuitzakje (01/19/22 02:09 PM)

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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When drilling the holes in the side should I drill them down below the level of the perlite or just from the 4-5" mark and up? Was hard to see in the pix if the side holes went all the way to the bottom.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PsyloFreak] * 1
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PsyloFreak said:
When drilling the holes in the side should I drill them down below the level of the perlite or just from the 4-5" mark and up? Was hard to see in the pix if the side holes went all the way to the bottom.


All the way to the bottom.

Edited by Prakriti (02/09/22 06:39 PM)

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Prakriti said:
PsyloFreak said:
When drilling the holes in the side should I drill them down below the level of the perlite or just from the 4-5" mark and up? Was hard to see in the pix if the side holes went all the way to the bottom.


All the way to the bottom.


Now I only have a few holes left to dril and clean up. Left the bottom alone until I heard for sure. Better than having to put a bunch of tape all over holes I didn't need. Thanks prak for the advise. Perfect timing as my dunked cakes are nice and ready.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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I just realized that graph paper would work perfectly for making a grid of holes 2" apart (some graph paper is lined at 1" inch).

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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Thank you for this information.  It is very useful to me.
I am  currently building a SGFC.

Cheers.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: ogof]
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Congrats! Great info in this thread.

Update: The fine-line graph paper worked perfectly! I measured 2 inches, found the number of lines that it equaled, then started making dots on the intersections to make a 2" grid of dots. After I finished this, I *gently* folded on the lines/marks that I made then used a pair of scissors to cut a little triangle where the dot was (its an Origami technique). That way, I can put a felt pen thru the tiny hole and make a dot where it was. I continued doing this for each felt-pen dot I made until I made small diamonds for each dot then I unfolded the paper and made it flat (it was mostly flat). I placed it against my to-be SGFC storage tote and started marking away while holding the graph paper still. The holes look great! So glad I did it this way. So much easier.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: PsyloFreak]
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PsyloFreak said:
Prakriti said:
PsyloFreak said:
When drilling the holes in the side should I drill them down below the level of the perlite or just from the 4-5" mark and up? Was hard to see in the pix if the side holes went all the way to the bottom.


All the way to the bottom.


Now I only have a few holes left to dril and clean up. Left the bottom alone until I heard for sure. Better than having to put a bunch of tape all over holes I didn't need. Thanks prak for the advise. Perfect timing as my dunked cakes are nice and ready.


Update? :begger:


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi] * 3
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Ive recently developed a method of misting my SGFC for optimum misting. It involves misting water from the corner of one of the sides to the other far corner. And repeating this on opposite far side of the SGFC. With this method, Ive misted the entire SGFC in only a couple squirts using my misting bottle.


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Thank you for this information.  It is very useful to me.
I am  currently building a SGFC.

Cheers.

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: seadoggy] * 2
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I really love the SGFC, I failed with a martha tent and humidifiers twice already, but once I read about the SGFC in this thread, I knew it was for me.

If using tetrahydroharmine (psychedelic SRI from caapi), I suggest starting with 70mg pure THH in combo with your mushrooms. It's plenty enough, go with more for increased visions and visual glowing shimmering. I've used all various doses. More on this here and in link below: https://forum.dmt-nexus.me/threads/sublingual-ayahuasca-journey-57.365063/

50 pan cyan trip reports: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398

I have been having excellent results growing the pan cyan mushrooms in 1/2 pint jars as opposed to the pyrex trays which although grow out easily, just never did fruit for me.

--> What I love most about this method is that there is never any shaking, or mycelium reconsolidation or recuperation time, it's fast beginning to end. Also no 4 hour pc time, only 1 hour pc at 15 psi. <--

This is the recipe I use for the 1/2 pint TTBVI and blue springs strain pan cyans:

13 cups manure mix substrate (I get 2.5 lb or more pre-mixed dried horse manure/vermiculite/straw/coir/water at field capacity/minerals that has been pre-pasteurized and sold vacuum packed by a multitude of places on line)
3 cups ground brown rice
2 cups water

As seen above, the ground brown rice makes up around 23% of the ingredients.

I mixed all the above together in a bowl in kitchen sink, when I squeezed a handful in hand, only a few drops to several drops came out in fast stream, at field capacity.

Load into 21 of the 1/2 pint jars, don't pack down, you want it airy and fluffy like.

Add the wide mouth filter disk to each jar (can find on-line from many places)

cover the jars with foil

pc the 21 jars for 1 hour at 15 psi.

The canner holds 3 layers of 7 jars (3 x 7 = 21 total). Add 2 quarts water to pc.

Let cool in canner overnight

Before I had done all this, I scraped TTBVI and blue springs pan cyan spores from off the print into many pre-poured petri dishes found on line from many places. This was done using a sterile scalpel (pack of scalpel are dirt cheap) in front of flow hood.

In only 5 days each of the petri dishes was 1/2 full of mycelium. (kept at 77 degrees F)

At that point, I used sterile scalpel to cut a large section from each petri dish, opened the 1/2 pint jar in front of flow hood, and inserted agar piece on to top of each jar, and stirred the agar around on top the jar before resealing it in front of flow hood, this spread the mycelium from off the agar on to the entire top of the inside of the jar.

Each petri dish gave me 4 large sections, so each petri dish was enough for 4 jars, even though I did not take advantage of that this time and just scraped spores into 1/2 of the petri dish.

Placed the 21 jars into tent which I kept at 77 degree F all the time using lava rock heater with reptile lamps.

By exactly 15 days later, all 21 jars are completely grown out as seen in photo.

Now I will allow 3 more days to pass, then this coming Thursday, will place each jar into the SGFC (shot gun fruiting chamber) with a very thin (less than 1/4" casing layer saturated with water) and hope for them to fruit. I will daily mist the casing layer when it gets dry using once a day misting. I am using a string of LED lights to supply the 12 hour on 12 hour off lighting.



Other threads similar to way I am growing:

MacMerdin's Simple Pan-Cakes  * 52 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18357343

shot gun fruiting chamber (called this because it looks like a shotgun blew holes all in it):
Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20195542/fpart/all

https://mycotopia.net/topic/3295-waylits-pan-cyan-tek-plastic-jars/ (Waylit's Pan cyan Tek-- plastic jars)

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So this beginner has failed twice before trying to grow pan cyan using a martha tent with expensive humidifiers and trays, zero mushrooms would fruit, however, once switching to the tech followed by McMerdin and Waylitjim, I finally am seeing great results!

I pasteurized the casing by putting it into a paper cup, poured boiling hot water into the cup, and let the casing soil sit for a few hours, then poured into a strainer, and the casing was room temp and ready to use in just hours, put less than a 1/4" layer on top each jar (just a few mm), misted once in the morning and once again at night (only twice a day). I misted real well, till the casing was "glistening" with moisture. Just like roger rabbit said, the SGFC is great for people who have jobs where you are away more than 10 hours a day (which I am), it's perfect.

Once the baby mushrooms formed, I then used this long pipette seen in photo to carefully apply water (around 1/4 of the pipette full) all over the casing and around the pins (stopped misting directly) but then after doing that would give around 6 to 8 total misting from far above the SGFC so it would gently rain down from way above down onto all the jars.

At night it would get down to 68 degrees F, so I used an oil filled radiant heater (simply pushed the button on the heater to set it at 75 degrees F) at night to keep it at exactly 75 degrees till I would wake up and turn the heater off. You want to always HEAT THE ENTIRE ROOM and never just the SGFC (or you will bake the mushrooms dry). During the day no heater needed, as it was 76 degrees most of the time. This heater rules as it does not dry the room out, and it makes ZERO sound, completely silent, and uses very little electricity. 

Pic below is around 10 days after putting the half pint jars into the SGFC (1/4" holes every 2"). It has 4.5" of perlite on bottom which was moistened outside using garden hose, shook the 54 quart sterile tub back and forth for the perlite to drain, then took it inside, and put a 18" x 12.5" cooling rack on top the perlite, it fit the 54 quart (22.5 x 16 x 12.75") perfectly! I placed the jars on top the rack.

Every 7 days (each Friday) I "re-charge" the perlite by re-wetting it so it will again last for 7 more days. The humidity meter always reads 99% at all times every day.

With the SGFC, air comes up thru the perlite to humidify the chamber. As evaporation happens it creates an area of lower pressure relative to the air in the upper part of the SGFC. So humidified air comes up from the perlite and out the top holes giving CONSTANT FAE with out drying out too much during the day and night.

It's a workout drilling all the holes, so be prepared, I used a pair of dikes to then cut off any curled up plastic from around the holes, this worked well. I drilled outside while watching the puppies play.

You do not want to run any fans in the room, just allow your central A/C to come in as normal from the ceiling above, but you do want to crack a window about 1/4" behind the curtains which is what I did to keep the air fresh (not stale) just as Roger Rabbit said he always keeps a window cracked to allow in fresh air at all times, no matter what the temp is outside, I concur.

Lighting was supplied by a Grow Light LED Gooseneck Lamp,6500K 80W Full Spectrum 144 LED Plant Lamp Clip-on Desk. I used MILK CRATES under the SGFC as someone else said to do so that air could enter the bottom holes of the SGFC just fine while allowing strong support for the heavy SGFC.

You know what they say, "third time is a charm", this beginner has never grown any kind of mushrooms before, and happy that pan cyan is my first, can't wait to sample. Thanks so much shroomery members for all your help! I can't thank you enough.


Edited by tregar (03/27/24 05:49 AM)

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After a year! Pans alas, happy for yah man.:thumbup:
Thanks for sharing(Concise writeup), I may try/copy your setup for pans someday.

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pacmanbreed said:
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After a year! Pans alas, happy for yah man.:thumbup:
Thanks for sharing(Concise writeup), I may try/copy your setup for pans someday.



Thank you pacmanbreed. Spouse suffers from vestibular migraines sometimes, so a threshold dose may help prevent her attacks in the future. Yes, it's been a long ride, so happy to have reached the end, this 3rd try has been a pleasure, thanks for the kind words! and all the best of luck to you in the future should you give this a shot, be watching. 50 pan cyan trip reports: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398

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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: tregar]
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The TTBVI and blue springs pan cyan jars even fruit without a casing, as an experiment, these 2 jars were birthed, dunked in water for 20 hours, then rolled in vermiculite, and fruited just fine.


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Re: Basic Principles of the Shotgun Fruiting Chamber (SGFC) [Re: SpitballJedi]
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Making this was pretty easy and simple to understand.

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This should have WAY MORE up votes, 10 tears old and 43 ups. A travesty

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