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azur indoors, bag method?
    #2019426 - 10/18/03 01:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i want to cultivate azurs indoors in my fridge. i want to know if mycobags provide enough air-flow for this species. considering inoculating presterilized wood based mycobags, if the bag method possible wiyh this strain? I wish to keep things as sterile as possible, so if i can fruit them in the bags without CO2 or humidity issues things will be more or less ideal given i control the temperature. i have already read up on outdoor methods, and limited indoor methods, but wish to try bags for absolute sanitation. Any help you can give will directly effect my success.


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #2019488 - 10/18/03 01:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

well man its been tried indoors but no one has confirmed that it has been done. if u wish to try go for it but it is belived that a esential bacteria is needed to cultivate this species.

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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: the man]
    #2019943 - 10/18/03 06:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Is it a spesific bacteria needed. I have heard that wathj it needs is just a bacterial content in the substrate, just as is naturally occurent outhdoors. If any manner of ded bacterias wold suffice then you should try and mix something with alot of bacterias in it into the substrate. I am shure you know wath i mean you probabley have some in your own fridge.


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: Bushdoctor]
    #2020191 - 10/18/03 11:18 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

actually a friend of mine innoculated a wood based mycobag with azure spores and he is seeing some myclium growth after about 2 weeks. Given mycobags are usually slower to colonize. This is still a good sign. As for fruiting...we'll have to see how it goes.

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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #2020202 - 10/18/03 11:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I now use bags to produce all my woodlover species spawn, they work great imho. I havent found azures to need anymore air exchange than cubensis, and have good results in bags, I have 4 colonising now.
Hazel wood chips.

What are your indoor fruiting plans?


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #2020216 - 10/18/03 11:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)





I have this large sterile azure jar that I'm puting outdoors every night (As my outdoor azures are fruiting now) So lets see if they need
any bacteria :]


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: Paid]
    #2020307 - 10/18/03 01:02 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i want to innoculate the sterile wood substrate, and fruit in the bag in my fridge at 50 degrees Farenheit and maintaining high humidity in the fridge itself. ill take them out for light once a day and fan and re-sterilize the fridge upon doing so. Is it a good idea to suck the air out of the bag and then blow it back up usig a hair dryer on cool? or is it unnescesary for azurs and/or cubensis?

it seems to me like any bacteria needed is not needed for colonization, since some of you have that going and people use sterile colonies to inoculate the outside beds. so it would seem that it has something to do with fruiting, but i don't understand how bacterial contamination would be needed for fruiting. If anyone can refer me to texts that tell of the nescessity of bacteria, i'm sure we'd all like to read it.

i plan to grow some cubensis in bags, in a terrarium as if they were cakes. giving them light, venting co2 from the chamber, and controlling humity and temp.

i want to keep both strains in bags from innoculation to fruiting for sterility, and then create the needed enviornments within the chambers theyll be kept in.


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #2020318 - 10/18/03 01:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The bacteria idea comes from the idea that
when the temps drop, some of the soil bacteria die on
mass, giving an avalible food source just at the onset
of fruiting.


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: Paid]
    #2020346 - 10/18/03 01:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

so its not about bacteria, its about food and timing. The bacteria may not be nescessary, unless they contain certain nutrients that i couldnt get with a substituting source on nutrition. It almost seems like i could use a sterile nutrient solution and inject it when i throw them in the fridge to fruit. Can i do this, and with what nutrient solution?


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #2020437 - 10/18/03 02:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well I got Psilocybe subaeruginosa to pin indoors
by making up a soup using 2 or 3 year old woodchips
and soaking colonised trays in it. Then leaving at room temp.
They stalled though, so next, onto the fridge.



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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #2020536 - 10/18/03 03:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

azures indoors?
Not yet....maybe soon.
Bags dont cut it anyway....

You need to be able to give whatever needs to fruit.
Bags inhibit anything you want to do.
Casing is the way to go.

Just my opinion....of course.


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: ralphster44]
    #2020569 - 10/18/03 03:21 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that trays or casings are a better way to go, but
just courious why you say bags dont cut it?
I fruited azures using a laundry basket type deal, so why
not fruit them in bags?


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: Paid]
    #2020677 - 10/18/03 04:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Do you think they would fruit in a case, on my porch in Vancity. I don't see why not, can anyone verify that?

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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: Paid]
    #2020730 - 10/18/03 04:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

the only real downside i see to bags is you cant pick as needed. you cant pick the big ones that are finished and you cant pick the aborted ones. That would mean rotten shrooms, but ive never used bags so i have no idea what kind of real problems ill be running into.

http://www.nansnook.com/archives/48.html

thats a indoor guide using casing, does it seem viable if i choose to do a casing instead of fruiting in the bag? But if this will work i dont see why fruiting in the bag wouldn't. Also, can anyone offer improvements on this method? i was going to simulate basically the same enviornment in the chamber (prob adding a water/peroxide bubbler), and then keep the bags in there when they arent getting light and a little warmth.

i still want to know about injecting a nutrient solution when i drop the temp for fruiting. andf i still want to know if it is a good idea to suck out of and blow air into the bag like once a day bc ive heard the filter patch doesnt alaways give enough air exchange in fruiting. Or will the patch allow enough gas exchange for the azurs to fruit? im assuming it wont be a problem when fruiting my cubensis in the bags.


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Re: azur indoors, bag method? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #2020746 - 10/18/03 04:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

if the prob is a lack of other organisms, it would seem that if the bags wont fruit the trays wont fruit. this has nothing to do with problems after fruiting, i want to know if these things will grow period. i dont see why i cant grow in a bag if i can grow indoors at all.


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