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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20335555 - 07/27/14 12:45 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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You later added a number of things when the holes in your statement were pointed out. Originally you said "managers" no weasely qualifications at that time. Now you want to say you only meant fast food or whatever.

$40k is considered pretty good money considering you can become a manager of those joints by showing up every day for a few months, being able to form a coherent sentence and expressing a desire to take the job. 8 to 9 per hour is not correct. Managers of other businesses can make considerably more so  it might be time for another correction.

Why should anyone get a guaranteed wage for any job unless its been negotiated? If govt forces it, employers simply don't hire the people they would have hired and unemployment and under employment go way up. Oooops, looks like its happening already and coconut head wants another rise.




I actually stated plenty of times exactly what I meant. Apparently you're so dense, you didn't realize I said in THREE or FOUR different posts, that I meant the shift manager, or the floor manager, AKA the lowest level type of manager, which is the type of manager that oversees the floor and oversees the other workers.

And I stated plenty of times there are different levels of managers, and you asked me to show proof that the type of managers I'm referring to make low wages, which I did, yet you are unable to accept the evidence.

Take for example, Bath & Body Works, the previous example I gave before. The Bath and Body Works floor manager (basic lowest level of manager) makes around $11.63 per hour. Which is exactly what I said it was, and bear in mind I worked for them OVER TEN YEARS AGO and apparently the manager salary has only gone up 63 cents since then: http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Bath-and-Body-Works-Manager-Hourly-Pay-E13902_D_KO20,27.htm

Apparently you don't know the difference in level between managers, which makes sense considering you probably don't have retail experience and probably never took a Business 101 class in your life. That $40,000 average pay was specifically for store managers. Bear in mind that store managers are WELL above shift managers, customer service managers, and retail managers.

So yes, that $40K salary does not refute my point at all, it says what I have been saying all along. And I used Taco Bell (which is a fast food service) example VERY early on in my argument. I said that shift managers in chain retail store and fast food typically make $8-$11 per hour.

So now we have 3 different sources that state shift managers and customer service managers make under $20,000 per year. Care to provide any sources refuting mine?

Edited by Crystal G (07/27/14 12:52 AM)

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Crystal G]
    #20335608 - 07/27/14 01:06 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

You could be here in Australia, you make twice as much but pay 3 times more for everything. Hoo-fucking-ray for having $35 an hour but still no money to do anything but watch TV or go to the beach...


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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Northerner]
    #20335733 - 07/27/14 01:48 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Next thread: Do aliens envy the human lifestyle? I mean we eat, sleep, fuck, and get high. What's not to envy?  :trippingsheens:

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Magicman69]
    #20335775 - 07/27/14 02:02 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

No, we don't at all

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Crystal G]
    #20336912 - 07/27/14 10:23 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

You still said "managers" in your original statement. Later qualifying it when your errors were pointed out to you is fine but my point was that "managers" in general make much more than that. Saying that some low level supervisor in bed and bath starts out at 11 something and gets title inflation to manager, does not disprove me at all.

I'm glad you have changed your tune to talking about low level fast food managers and concede that they make more than $8. There is nothing wrong with going back and correcting your mistakes.

They may call the guy or gal who takes out the trash the 'waste disposal manager' but that does not make her a manager in reality.


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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20338412 - 07/27/14 03:36 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Don't forget that this originally started with me saying that retail and fast-food managers make only $9-$11 per hour.

My original quote that started it all

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Crystal G said:
Walmart and McDonalds do not pay above minimum wage. They never have. The only people making above minimum wage are managers. And even then, they only make like $9-10 an hour.




Then you said, "LOL! they only pay managers 9 or 10 an hour. What left wing rag told you that? Lets see some links to back up your wild ranting."

Then I said, in multiple, multiple posts in response to you:

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You need links to back up the data?  I have known people that worked for mega-corps. As a matter of fact my ex in college was a manager for Taco Bell. He was getting paid only $9 an hour.

My very first job in high-school was at Bath and Body Works. Back then, I was getting paid $8.40 an hour (only 40 cents above minimum wage back then) and my managers were getting paid only $11 an hour.

I think there's a huge difference between general manager and district manager or store owner, which may be what you are thinking of. There's different types of managers and some make significantly more than others. Corporate managers, of course, making in the six figures.

The type of manager that I'M talking about, is the one that is out on the floor with the other employees, and simply oversees the other employees. They make very, very little money in mega-corporations.





Then precisely backing up what I said earlier:

ALL of Loehmann's managers make only $15K per year or less. The only one who made a decent salary was the account manager tech: http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Client-Service-Manager-l-Loehmanns-Plaza,-NY.html

Taco Bell shift managers make $8-$11: http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Taco-Bell-Salaries-E10091.htm

Bath and Body Works shift manager makes $11.63 per hour, only 63 cents above what it used to be when I worked for them 10+ years ago lol what a joke :lol: http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/Bath-and-Body-Works-Manager-Hourly-Pay-E13902_D_KO20,27.htm

I actually stated FROM THE BEGINNING multiple times what I meant, which is fast food and retail floor manager or "shift manager." Apparently you don't read statements from beginning to end so you have no idea what I meant.

And since I used McDonalds in my original statement, apparently McD shift managers only make $9.65 per hour, which aligns precisely with what I was saying earlier: http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/McDonald-s-Shift-Manager-Hourly-Pay-E432_D_KO11,24.htm

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Crystal G]
    #20339683 - 07/27/14 07:41 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't know walmart was a fast food business? Now you tell me. And i bet in macdonalds they have lots of managers who make more than $9 an hour, some much more. The local store supervisor may be called a manager. If you are only referencing them, then you are correct.


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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #20341247 - 07/28/14 02:40 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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I didn't know walmart was a fast food business? Now you tell me. And i bet in macdonalds they have lots of managers who make more than $9 an hour, some much more.




No shit. Which is why I said, a billion times by now, that there are different levels of managers. The ones I have been referring to the whole time, were shift managers, AKA the lowest level of managers. And that is what I have said from the very, very beginning, multiple, multiple times.

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Crystal G] * 4
    #20343830 - 07/28/14 05:57 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Anyone got a hammer for Crystal? so she can smash her point into Stonhenges head... lol


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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Northerner]
    #20468031 - 08/24/14 01:51 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

we got paid every two weeks

I'd get something like 290$
7.25$
blow it all on booze and videogames

my manager would get like 700$
14$pr/hour

of course our store was extremely busy, they actually had me there working nights
cleaning most of the time but the pay is pretty shitty, my monthly bill for part time uni is between 5 and 700$ dollars

for perspective my manager never owned a car and he was my age if not older

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Konyap]
    #20488127 - 08/28/14 09:11 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I was a shift manager at McDonalds I got $840 after tax each 40hour week big difference between here and over there but everything is much more expensive here

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: newbie 86]
    #20491647 - 08/29/14 01:20 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, fucking Australia tax...


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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Northerner]
    #20496743 - 08/30/14 08:40 AM (9 years, 6 months ago)

I could be wrong but I had the understanding that America has higher taxes than us Aussies do

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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: newbie 86]
    #20498971 - 08/30/14 06:33 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah you're wrong, Australia has higher taxes than the US.

But to compound the problem....

"Australia tax" is local phrase about the relative cost that the world gives to products and services to be sold in Australia. Everything costs %25-%50 more because the market is trapped on an island and doesn't have enough purchasing power to drive out the corporate scam artists. Basically we are being ripped off left right and center, and there is nothing we can do about it.


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Re: Do Europeans envy the American lifestyle? [Re: Northerner]
    #20499441 - 08/30/14 08:45 PM (9 years, 6 months ago)

That sucks balls! No wonder people are leaving aus to live abroad!

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