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InvisibleAbshroom
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First "mixed" Monotub
    #20179263 - 06/24/14 01:40 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys,
4 days ago (19.07) I set up my first mushroom grow.
Setting:
8 holes on the bottom, 4 on the top, filled with polyfill
wet perlite on the bottom
1 brf cake (the bigger one)
2 brf cakes mixed with a little bit of straw (it was one, but it broke apart :frown: )
4 casing in aluminium trays with rye grain, a wet vermiculite bottom layer and a dry vermiculite layer on the top
1 (very little) crumbled (used a bad jar so there wasn't another choice) brf cake splitted in 2 cups, with a wet vermiculite bottom layer, a dry one on top and some aluminium foil on the sides to prevent pinning on the sides

I set them in the tub immediately after casing, the cakes were dunked about 22h and rolled

the temperature is about 23°C and the humidity about 90%.
The tube is placed in my bed room and gets ambient light from the outside (no lamps are used)
The first 2 pictures show the moment after setting them up, the other 3 are from yesterday (23.07)
I know brf cakes should be fruited in a SGFC but unfortunately I have only one tub currently (I will buy more on the next days) and it just appeared, that I had a few cakes left I didn't wanted to throw them away, so I rather set them together with the casings.

What do you think about my little (or better bad/improvised) setup?
On the casing there's no mycelium yet :frown:
But the cakes seems like to grow nice, but no pinnning yet but it's only a few days, so I don't worry already :wink:


please leave some comments :wink:

and here the pictures

Edited by Abshroom (06/24/14 01:48 PM)

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20179312 - 06/24/14 01:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

SGFC... that's the best advice I can give...

BUT... I'll be interested to see the results.


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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20179315 - 06/24/14 01:48 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Perlite in the bottom of a monotub is pointless as air cannot pass thru it to create evaporation.

Foil will not stop side pinning, a plastic liner will.

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RogerRabbit said:
You guys seriously need to stop referring to your substrate trays as 'casings'.  That is an incorrect term unless all you have is a casing layer and no manure, grains, or anything.  Nobody grows mushrooms on 'casings', period.

The casing layer is only the top layer on a colonized bulk substrate, nothing else.  'Casing' sure as hell isn't a name for a mushroom growing project.
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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20182092 - 06/24/14 10:50 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Perlite in the bottom of a monotub is pointless as air cannot pass thru it to create evaporation.

Foil will not stop side pinning, a plastic liner will.

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RogerRabbit said:
You guys seriously need to stop referring to your substrate trays as 'casings'.  That is an incorrect term unless all you have is a casing layer and no manure, grains, or anything.  Nobody grows mushrooms on 'casings', period.

The casing layer is only the top layer on a colonized bulk substrate, nothing else.  'Casing' sure as hell isn't a name for a mushroom growing project.
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Okay, so perlite is only useful in SGFC's, since monotubs normal don't have holes on the bottom?
And I thought pins appear in the direction where the light comes from, so I used aluminium foil to prevent light hitting the mycelium from the sides? Or am I missing something?
I am okay with don't call them casings, but how is it called then? I only know cakes and casings, what's the one in aluminium trays called then?

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20182123 - 06/24/14 11:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Okay, so perlite is only useful in SGFC's, since monotubs normal don't have holes on the bottom?



Right.

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Abshroom said:
And I thought pins appear in the direction where the light comes from, so I used aluminium foil to prevent light hitting the mycelium from the sides? Or am I missing something?



Light does not cause side pinning, FAE hitting the sides does.

This is why we use trash bag liners, because they stick to the substrate as it "shrinks", or consolidates, stopping FAE from hitting the sides.

Light is only a secondary pinning trigger, after full colonization, FAE, and evaporation off the substrate.

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I am okay with don't call them casings, but how is it called then? I only know cakes and casings, what's the one in aluminium trays called then?



Bulk substrate in trays.

Or you have cased grains......where a casing layer was applied to fully colonized, broken up grains in a pan.

Or a cased bulk substrate, where a casing layer was applied to a fully colonized bulk substrate.

Coir/verm/manure/straw = bulk substrate

Casing layer = casing layer

Cakes = cakes

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20182543 - 06/25/14 12:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the good explanation.
So if I understand correct, the air coming from the top in the cups (through the verm layer) hit the crumbled cake also on the sides and that's why there can be side pinning?

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20192511 - 06/27/14 03:00 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

today we reach day 8 after setting up the monotub:

first signs of pinning on the brf cakes?




edit: still no signs on the trays

Edited by Abshroom (06/27/14 03:03 AM)

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20192513 - 06/27/14 03:02 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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first signs of pinning on the brf cakes?





you def have a pin or two, but the ones circled cant be too sure. looks more like the fluffy shit


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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Mulv]
    #20192518 - 06/27/14 03:05 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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you def have a pin or two, but the ones circled cant be too sure. looks more like the fluffy shit





I think they look a little bit different, but even if I only get a few pins, they will be my very first mushrooms, so I am happy even with a small yield at least if it isn't contaminated :mushroom2:

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20192527 - 06/27/14 03:10 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Abshroom said:
Quote:

Mulv said:
you def have a pin or two, but the ones circled cant be too sure. looks more like the fluffy shit





I think they look a little bit different, but even if I only get a few pins, they will be my very first mushrooms, so I am happy even with a small yield at least if it isn't contaminated :mushroom2:




yeah a lot of us know the feeling of your first grow being a succesful one. feels like youre on top of the world


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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Mulv]
    #20201658 - 06/29/14 01:03 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Little update:
In one tray a little bit of mycelium has reached the top.
The mycelium in the cups grow a little better than the one in the trays, or probably just a thinnier verm layer.
The cakes are doing okay (at least I think so).
There are growing suspicious little things on the cakes, is this the early form of pins, or better where the pins will grow from?


edit: They smell fabulous after mushrooms :mushroom2: :crazy2:

Edited by Abshroom (06/29/14 07:16 AM)

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20204018 - 06/29/14 05:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

You're not getting enough FAE.
Those look like aerial rhyzomorphs.

That is why people generally suggest an SGFC or GH for trays. Since you're already dedicated to the mono, try loosening or removing polyfil and fan moar.


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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: OH1Ogrown]
    #20204094 - 06/29/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Why a monotub? A gh or sgfc would likely be better for your purpose

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: piratez]
    #20204194 - 06/29/14 06:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yea you need to get them some more air for sure, your stuff may pin in there but probably not much and the mushrooms will not be happy

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: piratez]
    #20205457 - 06/29/14 10:27 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Why a monotub? A gh or sgfc would likely be better for your purpose




It just appeared that I had a monotub around (also some noobish fail), but tomorrow I will go and buy some more tubes and will make at least 2 SGFC. Would it make sense, that after I made a SGFC the next days that I take the cakes and trays from this monotube and put them into the SGFC or should I just let them be in the monotube and fan 2-3 a day?

And what about humidity? Do they cakes look okay? (currently I am not misting)

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20205546 - 06/29/14 10:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

A sgfc will do wonders compared to the current setup. Your cakes are suffocating in there. Your misting looks fine but those cakes definitely need to breath. :pipesmoke:

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Myco_wizard]
    #20205715 - 06/29/14 11:13 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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A sgfc will do wonders compared to the current setup. Your cakes are suffocating in there. Your misting looks fine but those cakes definitely need to breath. :pipesmoke:




okay, so I will start fanning a lot a day :wink:
and I don't mist :wink: but good to know that it seems that I don't have to^^

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Abshroom]
    #20205720 - 06/29/14 11:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Fanning is not a replacement for constant fresh air.

And you should be misting....evaporation off the cakes is a main pinning trigger.

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: PussyFart]
    #20205746 - 06/29/14 11:21 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yeah if you are not misting at all you should be. It just seemed like your cakes were moist from the pics. Like pussy fart said misting and fanning create evaporation from the cakes surface witch is a primary pinning trigger. :mushroom2:

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Re: First "mixed" Monotub [Re: Myco_wizard]
    #20205765 - 06/29/14 11:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Looks good but she needs more holes or crack the lid and add a oscillating fan blowing in the opposite direction.

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