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Frontline - Chasing the Sleeper Cell (The Lakawana Six)
    #2017650 - 10/17/03 12:34 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

anyone watch this last night on PBS?

it was an interesting documentary but it
didn't really heat up until the last 10 minutes
of the show.

short story long, FBI tracks 6 suspects to
Lakawana, NY who went to an al queda
training camp in Afghanistan.

they arrest most of them, while the so
called ring leader got away.

in the last scene they have Tom Ridge and
the interviewer talking.

interviewer mentions that recently, in yemen,
an unmanned drone aircraft was tracking a
suspect vehicle in a remote part of yemen,
a missle was ordered fired at the vehicle.
Authorities reported that one of the victims in
the vehicle was the escaped ring leader, who
just so happens, is also a US citizen.

so the reporter asks Tom if this is an issue for
discussion, the fact that the United States military
has killed one of it's own civilians for the first time
in this war on terrorism.

Tom Ridge sat there stone faced for what seemed
like 20 seconds and then broke into a very
uncomfortable rant, invoking 9/11 and the evils of
terrorism and the like...

a VERY intriguing ending.

they had a quick cut shot to Rumsfeld during GWs'
state of the union address...it's the funniest thing
because he is standing in the audience listening with
this crooked ass grin on his face wringing his hands
together like some maniac.

strange times.


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Re: Frontline - Chasing the Sleeper Cell (The Lakawana Six) [Re: afoaf]
    #2029329 - 10/21/03 05:59 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

transcript excerpt:

NARRATOR: And there are other cases now being pursued that are related to the intense law enforcement focus on the community brought on by the Lackawanna six terrorism investigation.

The secrecy that shrouds the war on terror and the new tactics that are being employed were underscored by President Bush in his State of the Union address.

Pres. GEORGE W. BUSH: More than 3,000 suspected terrorists have been arrested in many countries. Many others have met a different fate. Put it this way, they're no longer a problem to the United States and our friends and allies.

NARRATOR: In the days following the 9/11 attacks, sources say, President Bush signed a presidential finding authorizing the CIA to utilize extreme measures-- to kill members of al Qaeda. That finding would lead to an officially secret incident involving the al Qaeda recruiter whose name was removed from the indictment, "A," Kamal Derwish.

LOWELL BERGMAN: This key figure, "A," we call Derwish-- is he still at large?

PETER AHEARN, Special Agent in Charge, FBI Buffalo: It's a good question.

LOWELL BERGMAN: OK, that's your answer?

PETER AHEARN: I don't know the answer. Nobody has officially told me anything that would tell me that he's not, officially.

LOWELL BERGMAN: And Mr. Derwish?

DALE WATSON: Don't know for sure. Well, there's still some question about where he is or what happened to him.

LOWELL BERGMAN: You don't have any question as to what happened to him.

DALE WATSON: He's not indicted. So from a law enforcement perspective -- you know, for this case -- it doesn't matter.

NARRATOR: Kamal Derwish's connection to al Qaeda has never been officially disclosed by the U.S. government.

LOWELL BERGMAN: Mr. Derwish-- do you know the name?

ROBERT MUELLER: Yes, I've heard the name.

LOWELL BERGMAN: Do you know why no one would talk with us about Kamal Derwish?

ROBERT MUELLER: Well, there are certain parts of the investigation that are still not made public.

NARRATOR: And the CIA would not talk to us at all about Derwish or Lackawanna, or what happened on November 3, 2002. On that day, a CIA Predator drone was tracking a vehicle in a remote section of Yemen. The intended target, according to Yemeni government officials, was one of the al Qaeda planners of the Cole bombing. A Hellfire missile was fired from the Predator, destroying the vehicle. Six people died in the explosion. Kamal Derwish was one of them.

LOWELL BERGMAN: About two months after they were arrested, the ringleader of the group is identified, apparently, in the remains of a vehicle in Yemen that's blown up, we're told in press reports and by the Yemeni government, by a CIA Predator. It's the first time that we know of that an American citizen has died who is apparently a member of al Qaeda. Was that a subject of discussion?

TOM RIDGE, Secretary of Homeland Security: The death of this individual?

LOWELL BERGMAN: Well--

TOM RIDGE: Of course. Of course.

LOWELL BERGMAN: The fact that an American citizen has been killed in our counterterrorism war by us.

TOM RIDGE: Correct.

LOWELL BERGMAN: How are decisions like that made?

TOM RIDGE: Well, I think, for me, the decision to engage that vehicle or to engage militarily or using any military assets, that's-- those are decisions made by other individuals and other entities outside of Homeland Security. But make no mistake about it, I don't think anybody in the government, in terms of prosecuting the war, as horrible as these terrorists are and the tragedy that befell upon us on 9/11 and whatever we feel about them, still considers it an easy thing to-- to take somebody's life. But if that's what you have to do, under these circumstances of 9/11, to protect America, that's what we have to do.



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you can check out the page for this episode and actually
watch it online here.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/sleeper/

I highly reccommend the last 10 minutes...


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Re: Frontline - Chasing the Sleeper Cell (The Lakawana Six) [Re: afoaf]
    #2029767 - 10/21/03 08:07 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

no comments on this?

seems pretty significant to me... the assassination of a US citizen by the government with complete disregard for due process.

sets a frightening new precedent for what our government now believes it can and cannot do...


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    #2029871 - 10/21/03 08:32 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

absolutely insane.

you can watch the whole episode online.

or just check out the last half of part 4.

this is something you don't hear about.

big ups to PBS for taking on Tom Ridge and
Robert Mueller.


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Re: Frontline - Chasing the Sleeper Cell (The Lakawana Six) [Re: afoaf]
    #2030192 - 10/21/03 10:03 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Wow. Its great to watch Tom Ridge sweat, but its absolutely infuriating that he used September 11th as justification for hijacking the judicial process.

Too bad its not surprising. (Guantanamo Bay, PATRIOT Act, Homeland Security, etc.)


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Re: Frontline - Chasing the Sleeper Cell (The Lakawana Six) [Re: SquattingMarmot]
    #2031749 - 10/22/03 10:01 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, he invokes 9/11 quicker than you can
count when the heat's on.


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