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OfflineZahid
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Jesus?
    #2016780 - 10/17/03 02:02 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

From science and computers, a new face of Jesus

By Jeordan Legon
CNN
Thursday, December 26, 2002 Posted: 9:45 AM EST (1445 GMT)




(CNN) -- The Jesus pictured on the cover of this month's Popular Mechanics has a broad peasant's face, dark olive skin, short curly hair and a prominent nose. He would have stood 5-foot-1-inch tall and weighed 110 pounds, if the magazine is to be believed.

This representation is quite different from the typical lithe, long-haired, light-skinned and delicate-featured depiction of the man Christians consider the son of God.

Israeli and British forensic anthropologists and computer programmers got together to create the face featured in the 1.2-million circulation magazine, which occasionally veers from its usual coverage of motors and tools to cover the merger of science and religion.

"What did Jesus look like?" the article asks. "An answer has emerged from an exciting new field of science: forensic anthropology."

Looking in on forensic anthropology

The same science has been used to create artists' depictions of dozens of famous faces, including the father of Alexander the Great and King Midas of Phrygia. This new conceptualization of Jesus is based in large part on the work of Richard Neave, a medical artist retired from the University of Manchester in England.

"Using archaeological and anatomical science rather than artistic interpretation makes this the most accurate likeness ever created," Jean Claude Gragard, producer of the BBC documentary "Son of God," told The London Times. Gragard used the same image last year in his series.

"It isn't the face of Jesus, because we're not working with the skull of Jesus, but it is the departure point for considering what Jesus would have looked like," he added.

How they started

Neave and a team of researchers started with an Israeli skull dating back to the 1st century. They then used computer programs, clay, simulated skin and their knowledge about the Jewish people of the time to determine the shape of the face, and color of eyes and skin.

They turned to the Bible to determine the length of his hair. In the New Testament, "would Paul (one of the apostles) have written, 'If a man has long hair, it is a disgrace to him' if Jesus Christ had had long hair?" the article speculates.

The magazine's editors admit that they cannot be certain of the accuracy of this facial representation.

'Hard to find a lot of evidence'

"There is no way that we are saying this is the skull of Jesus," Popular Mechanic's Mike Fillon told CNN. "Christians believe ... that Jesus' entire body was resurrected, so there would never be any bones or skull or DNA evidence of Jesus. Plus, his ministry was very, very short. So it would be hard to find a lot of evidence."

Instead the article focuses on describing the painstaking effort of imagining the face and how science and theology both played a part in the process.

Despite the concerns about accuracy, Alison Galloway, a professor of anthropology at the University of California in Santa Cruz, told Popular Mechanics that: "This is probably a lot closer to the truth than the work of many great masters."

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/12/25/face.jesus/index.html


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Zahid]
    #2016791 - 10/17/03 02:12 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I read about this over two years ago.


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Mickel]
    #2016811 - 10/17/03 02:21 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Ive seen many similiar articles and what not circulating that make Jesus look like that as well.



I dont know, but I certainly dont agree on the accepted christian representation of Jesus.


Just so everyone knows, the model for both Jesus and Buddha are just that, models. They werent meant to like ANYTHING like the actual philosophers


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Zahid]
    #2016961 - 10/17/03 03:40 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I agree that the picture you posted is a much more realistic image of what Christ looked like.  Unfortunately, the anglo dominated Christian church has felt the need to make him a whitey.

:smile:  I wonder how Christians would feel about Muslims if they had always seen pictures of Christ that looked like that.


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Re: Jesus? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2017123 - 10/17/03 05:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The small nose, white Christ AMerica depicts was created by slave owning anti-semetic racists who built this country in the first place. Jesus would have looked more like that picture.


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Spokesman]
    #2017213 - 10/17/03 07:17 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I must say that that doesn't even come close to looking like me.

   

Jesus hasn't been getting enough sleep recently... :grin:
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Re: Jesus? [Re: Spokesman]
    #2017477 - 10/17/03 10:36 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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The small nose, white Christ AMerica depicts was created by slave owning anti-semetic racists who built this country in the first place. Jesus would have looked more like that picture.




Christ looked white long before America had anything to do with Christianity.

Any Christian who doesn't realize that Jesus was not the pop image jesus that is so familiar doesn't really understand their religion. All Christians should know that Jesus was a jew living in Middle East. That automatically negates the possibility of Him being the idolized blue-eyed light-brown-haired standard. These people need to study some of their basic beliefs. The Jesus-Jew connection is an essential topic.

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Re: Jesus? [Re: PNutButta]
    #2017489 - 10/17/03 10:45 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Oh i know but it was the decendants of those who turned Jesus into that image that ultimatly came to build this country.

And fireworks god, dude, can you say 'hang-over'??? :lol: Looks you are regreting the binge drinking done the previous night.


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Spokesman]
    #2017594 - 10/17/03 12:08 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Spokesman said:
And fireworks god, dude, can you say 'hang-over'??? :lol: Looks you are regreting the binge drinking done the previous night.




Well, I can say "severe lack of sleep", heh. Yeah, I just realized like how happy I did not appear to be... :grin:
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Re: Jesus? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2018478 - 10/17/03 06:56 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Somone told me that the picture of the white jesus are from pictures Michalangelo made, and that the model of this image was Michalangelo's cousin (im not sure how true this is thoug). In all the pictures I have seen of jesus as a black man, he looks alot like Hendrix. :laugh:


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Zahid]
    #2019664 - 10/18/03 03:10 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

yup thats him. that's the guy


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Zahid]
    #2019721 - 10/18/03 03:41 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

funny though. If jesus were alive today and looked like that. He'd get the stink eye if he made any fast moves on a airplane, if you know what i mean...


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Re: Jesus? [Re: David_Scape]
    #2021300 - 10/18/03 10:03 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Jesus wouldnt need to travel on airplanes :smile:


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Re: Jesus? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2021323 - 10/18/03 10:13 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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PsiloKitten said:
I agree that the picture you posted is a much more realistic image of what Christ looked like.  Unfortunately, the anglo dominated Christian church has felt the need to make him a whitey.

:smile:  I wonder how Christians would feel about Muslims if they had always seen pictures of Christ that looked like that. 




I like to ammuse myself sometimes with the possibility that Jesus and Muhammad looked alot like. :wink:


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Re: Jesus? [Re: Zahid]
    #2021397 - 10/18/03 10:45 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

It's alot more possible then him looking like the currently circulated picture :smile:


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Re: Jesus? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2022222 - 10/19/03 09:08 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

The currently circulating picture makes Jesus look like he part of a Boy Band somewhere. PLus i dont know if you guys heard of that new Jesus movie with Mel Gibson but i was looking at some screens of it and Mary has all this make up and lipstick on. What the hell?? I mean im talking about dark red lipstick and pale white skin, im like did they even try to portray the smallest amount of accuracy in this movie. She looks like a cheap french whore. Whats Jesus going to be wearing? Braids and a Platinum chain?? :nonono:


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Re: Jesus? [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2022226 - 10/19/03 09:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

PsiloKitten said:
Jesus wouldnt need to travel on airplanes :smile: 




Well, I do if I choose to. :grin:
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