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1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / diary
    #20045650 - 05/27/14 03:28 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

so about 2 weeks ago I thought hey, lets do this.. so I watched some videos read up on as much as I could.. even took notes soooo how I missed the gas exchange part of things is beyond me... anyways, I got everything I thought I needed minus some kind of gas exchange filter, I have 8 quart jars with white side up lids and 2 holes in the lids, Inoculated 8 Jars, tightened the lids and put tape over the holes, and put them in a warm dark place (80F) 5 Did NOTHING, 2 did a little bit and one took off very well.. for about the last 5 days they have done nothing.. so I tried to do a little more research on why the Mycelium stopped growing and found out the I guess I needed some way for the gas to exchange.

So, what I did was I took one of my really big see thru plastic bins that has arm holes cut in the side of it and cleaned it up real good and set the jars inside, stuck my hands in and started opening the jar lids (i even decided to empty some rye out, they were a little full) I first took the lid off the one that was doing really good and emptied some of it out and then lightly put the lid back on. I noticed what I emptied out had mycelium on em so I thru some of em in side the other 5 jars that were doing nothing. put all the lids back on em lightly..

I was just reading more about how people say they should be in a dark place, and some were saying it's ok for them to be in the light, that mycelium grows better in the light.. so a little confused on this, every video I watched and everything else I read says to keep it in a dark place... So i took 4 of the 5 that were doing nothing and set them out and put the other 4 back in it's dark place.

I guess my concern is, leaving the lids on loose, Will that be enough and be ok for Gas exchange?

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / diary [Re: Creaxe]
    #20045890 - 05/27/14 06:59 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Light is beneficial during all stages. It helps develop a circadian rhythm much like we have. indirect light during colonization and direct during fruiting, on a 12/12 schedule.

Also you need something to filter out contaminants. I'd atleast get some more jars with proper filters going in the meantime because i wouldn't count on those jars.

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / diary [Re: mushmagic]
    #20045922 - 05/27/14 07:15 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Well I really need to count on at least one of these jars.. So should I re-tightin the jar that is doing good? Since I  let out the co2?

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / diary [Re: Creaxe]
    #20048099 - 05/27/14 05:48 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Bump.

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / diary [Re: Creaxe]
    #20048246 - 05/27/14 06:22 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

It is fine to have colonizing jars receiving light. Try to incubate lower than 80° because while the myc may do well at that temp, contaminates grow better there too - mid 70's is good. If you leave your lids cracked there's a chance for contam, granted it's gotta s-curve under the lid and over the rim, but it can still happen. Do what you did before in a SAB but just crack the lids not take them fully off, that should be enough to relieve co2 build up if it happens. :goodluck:
Edit: The darkness info is outdated. So is incubating at 80°F :boobsmell:


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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / diary [Re: airdragon333]
    #20048370 - 05/27/14 06:47 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Ok cool, so that should help me at least colonize one of the jars. I want to at least be able to make a spore print to save this kind that I have.

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / diary [Re: Creaxe]
    #20048412 - 05/27/14 06:59 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

you need a ge-filter. dont you have polyfill or the option to buy a tyvek suit?
if air gets out air also gets in that's why you need a filter.
the grains that hit the bottom of your sab is no longer clean.
light is always good in all stages of growth, keeping things dark is 20+yrs old info.
80F is also pushing it temp wise. mycelium creates heat of it's own as well.
dont let it get any higher, but preferably a few degrees cooler.
just put them on a shelf.

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: spacechildo]
    #20146204 - 06/17/14 06:32 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well, Good news!!!! by unscrewing the jars every other day, everything worked out.. I have moved my rye to the Casing stage now. one more question is, I was reading that when the top layer of the casing is at 30% it is then ok to start fruiting? or should i wait for 100%?

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Creaxe]
    #20146465 - 06/17/14 07:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Did you just case the straight grains? If so then yes when the casings at around 30% you should patch the most colonized parts with a. Little more casing then put into fruiting conditions.

Just a tip next time you should mix the grains with a bulk sub of some kind even for little trays, it will work much better than just cased grains and it's not hard.

With CVG (coir/vermiculite/gypsum) you can even just sterilize it in a jar in your PC and mix a qt of grains to a qt or two bulk sub and make trays

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20146571 - 06/17/14 07:42 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Oh, No i used Verm and Coir, someone had a tek on here about throwing in a 5 gallon bucket ect ect.. but anyways.. it's a coir/verm mix.. should i still wait for 30% or 100%?

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Creaxe]
    #20146589 - 06/17/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Well you mix your grain spawn with your coir/verm then let that whole setup colonize to 100%

Then if you decide to case it you add your casing layer and let that colonize to about 30% then fruit it

Edit: you don't have to case for cubes but it does seem to help them with the pin set and also makes it more forgiving as far as humidity goes

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20146674 - 06/17/14 08:00 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds good, thank you :smile:

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Creaxe]
    #20146694 - 06/17/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

No problem, are you gonna post some pics?

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20151218 - 06/18/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Yes i'm going to post pictures a little later tonight actually.. My mini tubs reached 100%, my casing reached a little over 30% on some of them, I have them in 7 clear plastic containers inside a Giant container, in fruiting conditions (as far as I know) I sprayed em a little with sterile water and also sprayed the inside of the tub, the tub is at room temp, with 12/12 lighting (just went thru the first 12 hours of light and almost done with the first 12 of dark) basically for a light (for now) I just used a LED flash light and set it on the lid facing downwards, I herd any light is ok.. which is kinda cool cause the whole plastic container lights up. soooo... Added FAE, Light and water spray on the inside of the big tub and a little on the coir.

One question is.. Will humidity stay high in a 73-75 degree room temp with the water sprayed inside the tub? and will the Flash light be ok or do i need to upgrade my lighting? Thank you. Post pictures as soon as i can.

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Creaxe]
    #20160468 - 06/20/14 05:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I'm having a huge problem getting pictures posted..(working on pictures) But, they are in the tub, i'm getting a lot of fluffy white mycelium all over the top of the casing, most are 80% covered. I give it a lot of FAE and 12/12 light,spray around the tub with water, it has been 4 days now, haven't seen any pins, i assume this is all normal?

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Creaxe]
    #20160534 - 06/20/14 05:39 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Finally got some pictures! lol

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Creaxe]
    #20160631 - 06/20/14 06:03 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

It's hard to tell if those ae healthy for sure cuz they're blurry but they look ok just needing some fresh air. You say you give them plenty of FAE do you mean fanning?

Fanning a few times a day won't cut it you need holes in there letting constant fresh air in. You casings are being over taken because of the lack of fresh air

For trays like that your best bet is a SGFC that should help you get some mushrooms promptly

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20160651 - 06/20/14 06:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i was fanning 3 times a day, Should i put some holes in the lid on top and the sides? and should i recase it? i take it all that mycelium taking over is bad?

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Creaxe]
    #20160665 - 06/20/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't say it's bad it just kinda negates the casing layer a bit, I personally wouldn't re case.

You should build a SGFC with the perlite and 1/4" holes every two inches on all six sides. It will be hard to keep humidity in the tub with just those trays, a monotub works to created it's own humidity because there is a lot of substrate with a lot of water evaporating off of it, I don't think your trays will have enough once you get holes in there

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Re: 1st grow / Rye mycelium stunted / Casing (?) [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20160684 - 06/20/14 06:18 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

What can I do to make it work with what I have? I don't have many options to go purchase anything at the moment

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