Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom

Jump to first unread post Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
Offlinelysergic
Mycophile!
Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 691
Last seen: 20 years, 3 months
Firebombing of Dresden
    #2013770 - 10/16/03 03:46 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I'm mainly addressing this to Alex123 in his response to "our" use of chemical weapons in Vietnam, and our massive slaughter of innocents all throughout IRaq and Afghanistan (of course, he dosn't offer proof of this, but who needs proof!)
My main quarrel with this is that the current administration had no hand in any warfare methods used back in Vietnam. The only pausible connection is Rumsfeld, and he was against the war. So, if past 'sins' of our government can be used against us, I'm going to do the same.

1945 -Dresden is firebombed by the RAF. three.. hundred... thousand.. Germans died there. So, I think that the British people, and especially their govnernment, deserve to pay fo rthis.


--------------------
In response to an attack killing 15 American Servicemen
PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGazzBut
Refraction

Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 4,773
Loc: London UK
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2013903 - 10/16/03 06:01 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I think it is obscene what happened in the Second world war. But if we hadnt attacked Germany they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. Vietnam never posed that kind of threat to the US. Try again.


--------------------
Always Smi2le

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinezeronio
Stranger
Male

Registered: 10/16/01
Posts: 2,349
Loc: Slovenia
Last seen: 7 years, 6 months
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2013911 - 10/16/03 06:18 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Bombing of Dresden was a war crime because it had nothing to do with the military strategy. But winners never pay for war crimes.

BTW do you know who invented concentration camps?
It's a British invention. In south Africa they fought Dutch rebels by putting their families (mostly women and children) in camps. 30.000 died.

Our history is full of blood.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGazzBut
Refraction

Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 4,773
Loc: London UK
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: zeronio]
    #2013920 - 10/16/03 06:28 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Evil scum. Nationalism is the cause of so many of the worlds problems as people turn a blind eye to attrocities commited by their "own" people as it screws with their own identity to admit that evil things have been done in their name. Burn all flags I say.


--------------------
Always Smi2le

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinest0nedphucker
Rogue State
Male
Registered: 04/17/03
Posts: 1,047
Loc: Wales (yes it is a countr...
Last seen: 15 years, 8 months
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: zeronio]
    #2013978 - 10/16/03 07:43 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Although the British were responsible for what could be called the first concentration camp, concentrating a population in small area, in effect what concentraion camp is, is in no way a British invention.



--------------------
The punishment which the wise suffer, who refuse to take part in government, is to live under the government of worse men.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleXlea321
Stranger
Registered: 02/25/01
Posts: 9,134
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2014138 - 10/16/03 09:46 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

You're misunderstanding the point johnny. The point is about making bellicose propaganda about Saddam "using chemical weapons" when you sold the chemical agents to him in the first place.

And yep, British war crimes just as bad as Saddams.


--------------------
Don't worry, B. Caapi

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineToxicManM
Bite me, it's fun!
 User Gallery

Registered: 06/28/02
Posts: 6,725
Loc: Aurora, Colorado
Last seen: 7 hours, 48 minutes
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2014752 - 10/16/03 01:32 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

If you haven't read it, you should read Slaughterhouse 5. It's a book about the Dresden firebombing by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. He was a prisoner of war in Dresden when it happened. There's other weirdness (it being a Kurt Vonnegut novel), but it's still one of the best anitwar novels ever written.

The US was also a major participant in that bombing.

If we're going to bring those up, how about the firebombing of Tokyo, 1945? Or the over 60 smaller cities in Japan that were firebombed later?

There's a long and nasty history there.


--------------------
Happy mushrooming!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineAzmodeus
Seeker

Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 3,392
Loc: Lotus Land!! B.C.
Last seen: 19 years, 2 months
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2014886 - 10/16/03 02:13 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

lysergic said:
What is wrong with catering to the rich? The rich pay MUCH MUCH more taxes than the poor people do, thus, they contribute more. I think that it's just part of the anti-White, anti-Rich, anti-American hype that liberals push on others. Well, tough shit, I'm "upper middle class', and I couldn't care less if you whiny poor bastards don't like it




Go get your allowance and candy from you mom now, you racist ignorant fool. Your posts are a joke.


--------------------
"Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.

Lest we forget. "

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGazzBut
Refraction

Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 4,773
Loc: London UK
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2014981 - 10/16/03 02:38 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

He just doesnt get that the cult of the individual is coming to an end.


--------------------
Always Smi2le

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelysergic
Mycophile!
Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 691
Last seen: 20 years, 3 months
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2015739 - 10/16/03 06:06 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Azmodeus said:
Quote:

lysergic said:
What is wrong with catering to the rich? The rich pay MUCH MUCH more taxes than the poor people do, thus, they contribute more. I think that it's just part of the anti-White, anti-Rich, anti-American hype that liberals push on others. Well, tough shit, I'm "upper middle class', and I couldn't care less if you whiny poor bastards don't like it




Go get your allowance and candy from you mom now, you racist ignorant fool. Your posts are a joke.






Ok.. visual reference..

THIS is considered "on topic"











and way way way down here, is you.

Got it?


--------------------
In response to an attack killing 15 American Servicemen
PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinelysergic
Mycophile!
Registered: 06/09/03
Posts: 691
Last seen: 20 years, 3 months
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2015823 - 10/16/03 06:29 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
I think it is obscene what happened in the Second world war. But if we hadnt attacked Germany they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. Vietnam never posed that kind of threat to the US. Try again. 



"our" streets?


Just to make sure I understand your position, the ends justify the means, right? Thats not what you babble on about in other posts :smile: 


--------------------
In response to an attack killing 15 American Servicemen
PsiloKitten said:
Just give em a little more time, the iraqis are making great progress. And this is unorganized. Wait till they get organized.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGazzBut
Refraction

Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 4,773
Loc: London UK
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2023179 - 10/19/03 04:50 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

I think you will find that I have consistently said I am against the use of force unless you are truly defending yourself.
I dont quite understand what you mean by "our" streets?

I was merely stating that if we i.e the English had not gone to war with Germany then eventually they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. I thought that was fairly easy to understand.


--------------------
Always Smi2le

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBaby_Hitler
Errorist
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 27,634
Loc: To the limit!
Last seen: 7 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2023253 - 10/19/03 05:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
He just doesnt get that the cult of the individual is coming to an end.




WTF is that supposed to mean? Are you planning on turning the entire population of the Earth into some kind of Borg or something with cybernetic implants?


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?
 User Gallery


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 34,247
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2023287 - 10/19/03 05:27 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like he think we'll all wind up holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

Or perhaps....
I'd like to buy the world a coke.


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
InvisibleStarter
Stranger
 User Gallery

Registered: 05/16/03
Posts: 1,148
Loc: Australia
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2023979 - 10/19/03 09:59 PM (20 years, 5 months ago)

American bombers were also involved.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Dresden/

Just another allied war crime but victors always write the history.




--------------------
Convert Metric and Imperial.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGazzBut
Refraction

Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 4,773
Loc: London UK
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2024583 - 10/20/03 02:50 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

No thats Star Trek baby. Its not real! By cult of the individual I mean the stage of human cultural evolution where a premium is placed on each persons supposed individuality to the detriment of the welfare of the whole. This sense of uniqueness is really an egoic illusion which was neccesary to move energy to a certain point but we are now in the transistion stage where its usefulness as the primary paradigmn is starting to fall apart and we will begin to think more as a whole. The internet is one of the precursors of this transition. I dont think it will mean radical changes in an individuals life but a small shift in everyones perception would have a massive change on the lifes of groups.


--------------------
Always Smi2le

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineBaby_Hitler
Errorist
 User Gallery

Folding@home Statistics
Registered: 03/06/02
Posts: 27,634
Loc: To the limit!
Last seen: 7 hours, 43 minutes
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2024655 - 10/20/03 04:26 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like government enforced conformity.


--------------------
"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat

“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGazzBut
Refraction

Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 4,773
Loc: London UK
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2024689 - 10/20/03 05:04 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Hardly. The government wont have much to do with it id say.


--------------------
Always Smi2le

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinest0nedphucker
Rogue State
Male
Registered: 04/17/03
Posts: 1,047
Loc: Wales (yes it is a countr...
Last seen: 15 years, 8 months
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2024912 - 10/20/03 08:39 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

I was merely stating that if we i.e the English had not gone to war with Germany then eventually they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. I thought that was fairly easy to understand.




Hitler was actually quite receptive to the British, he believed we were both from "normadic descent" and should be fighting the Bolsheviks together.



--------------------
The punishment which the wise suffer, who refuse to take part in government, is to live under the government of worse men.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineGazzBut
Refraction

Registered: 10/15/02
Posts: 4,773
Loc: London UK
Last seen: 2 months, 24 days
Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #2024951 - 10/20/03 09:02 AM (20 years, 5 months ago)

Actually quite receptive? Id have hated to have seen his attitude towards us if he wasnt! What are you saying? that he wouldnt have invaded cos he quite liked us!!


--------------------
Always Smi2le

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

Kraken Kratom Shop: Red Vein Kratom


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Scotland the Free Country
( 1 2 all )
Yeti1 1,128 39 04/09/17 01:17 PM
by twighead
* Fascinated by Scotland's vote for independence Sept 18
( 1 2 all )
shagawa 2,461 28 09/19/14 09:30 AM
by shagawa
* Should Scotland Be Renamed "Lesser Quebec" chosenone 150 3 03/28/17 10:17 AM
by hostileuniverse
* scotland yard says more innocent people will be shot, australia to adopt same policy kaiowas 522 1 07/25/05 07:47 PM
by moog
* Liberals - What SHOULD we be doing?
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
lysergic 4,773 114 10/02/03 09:40 AM
by Xlea321
* Sandy was a gift to President Obama
( 1 2 all )
OZA 1,672 21 11/02/12 11:19 AM
by imachavel
* YOU are brainwashed
( 1 2 3 4 all )
Anonymous 4,646 78 05/19/03 11:31 PM
by JohnnyRespect
* Hillary wants us to hate on Russia
( 1 2 3 4 5 6 all )
Falcon91Wolvrn03 5,207 106 09/01/16 06:52 AM
by Douglas Howard

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Enlil, ballsalsa
1,346 topic views. 6 members, 4 guests and 33 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 14 queries.