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Firebombing of Dresden
    #2013770 - 10/16/03 05:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I'm mainly addressing this to Alex123 in his response to "our" use of chemical weapons in Vietnam, and our massive slaughter of innocents all throughout IRaq and Afghanistan (of course, he dosn't offer proof of this, but who needs proof!)
My main quarrel with this is that the current administration had no hand in any warfare methods used back in Vietnam. The only pausible connection is Rumsfeld, and he was against the war. So, if past 'sins' of our government can be used against us, I'm going to do the same.

1945 -Dresden is firebombed by the RAF. three.. hundred... thousand.. Germans died there. So, I think that the British people, and especially their govnernment, deserve to pay fo rthis.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2013903 - 10/16/03 08:01 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

I think it is obscene what happened in the Second world war. But if we hadnt attacked Germany they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. Vietnam never posed that kind of threat to the US. Try again.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2013911 - 10/16/03 08:18 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Bombing of Dresden was a war crime because it had nothing to do with the military strategy. But winners never pay for war crimes.

BTW do you know who invented concentration camps?
It's a British invention. In south Africa they fought Dutch rebels by putting their families (mostly women and children) in camps. 30.000 died.

Our history is full of blood.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: zeronio]
    #2013920 - 10/16/03 08:28 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Evil scum. Nationalism is the cause of so many of the worlds problems as people turn a blind eye to attrocities commited by their "own" people as it screws with their own identity to admit that evil things have been done in their name. Burn all flags I say.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: zeronio]
    #2013978 - 10/16/03 09:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Although the British were responsible for what could be called the first concentration camp, concentrating a population in small area, in effect what concentraion camp is, is in no way a British invention.



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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2014138 - 10/16/03 11:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

You're misunderstanding the point johnny. The point is about making bellicose propaganda about Saddam "using chemical weapons" when you sold the chemical agents to him in the first place.

And yep, British war crimes just as bad as Saddams.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2014752 - 10/16/03 03:32 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If you haven't read it, you should read Slaughterhouse 5. It's a book about the Dresden firebombing by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. He was a prisoner of war in Dresden when it happened. There's other weirdness (it being a Kurt Vonnegut novel), but it's still one of the best anitwar novels ever written.

The US was also a major participant in that bombing.

If we're going to bring those up, how about the firebombing of Tokyo, 1945? Or the over 60 smaller cities in Japan that were firebombed later?

There's a long and nasty history there.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2014886 - 10/16/03 04:13 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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What is wrong with catering to the rich? The rich pay MUCH MUCH more taxes than the poor people do, thus, they contribute more. I think that it's just part of the anti-White, anti-Rich, anti-American hype that liberals push on others. Well, tough shit, I'm "upper middle class', and I couldn't care less if you whiny poor bastards don't like it




Go get your allowance and candy from you mom now, you racist ignorant fool. Your posts are a joke.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2014981 - 10/16/03 04:38 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

He just doesnt get that the cult of the individual is coming to an end.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Azmodeus]
    #2015739 - 10/16/03 08:06 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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Azmodeus said:
Quote:

lysergic said:
What is wrong with catering to the rich? The rich pay MUCH MUCH more taxes than the poor people do, thus, they contribute more. I think that it's just part of the anti-White, anti-Rich, anti-American hype that liberals push on others. Well, tough shit, I'm "upper middle class', and I couldn't care less if you whiny poor bastards don't like it




Go get your allowance and candy from you mom now, you racist ignorant fool. Your posts are a joke.






Ok.. visual reference..

THIS is considered "on topic"











and way way way down here, is you.

Got it?


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2015823 - 10/16/03 08:29 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

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I think it is obscene what happened in the Second world war. But if we hadnt attacked Germany they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. Vietnam never posed that kind of threat to the US. Try again. 



"our" streets?


Just to make sure I understand your position, the ends justify the means, right? Thats not what you babble on about in other posts :smile: 


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2023179 - 10/19/03 06:50 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I think you will find that I have consistently said I am against the use of force unless you are truly defending yourself.
I dont quite understand what you mean by "our" streets?

I was merely stating that if we i.e the English had not gone to war with Germany then eventually they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. I thought that was fairly easy to understand.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2023253 - 10/19/03 07:19 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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He just doesnt get that the cult of the individual is coming to an end.




WTF is that supposed to mean? Are you planning on turning the entire population of the Earth into some kind of Borg or something with cybernetic implants?


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2023287 - 10/19/03 07:27 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like he think we'll all wind up holding hands and singing Kumbaya.

Or perhaps....
I'd like to buy the world a coke.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: lysergic]
    #2023979 - 10/19/03 11:59 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

American bombers were also involved.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/books/Dresden/

Just another allied war crime but victors always write the history.




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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2024583 - 10/20/03 04:50 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

No thats Star Trek baby. Its not real! By cult of the individual I mean the stage of human cultural evolution where a premium is placed on each persons supposed individuality to the detriment of the welfare of the whole. This sense of uniqueness is really an egoic illusion which was neccesary to move energy to a certain point but we are now in the transistion stage where its usefulness as the primary paradigmn is starting to fall apart and we will begin to think more as a whole. The internet is one of the precursors of this transition. I dont think it will mean radical changes in an individuals life but a small shift in everyones perception would have a massive change on the lifes of groups.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2024655 - 10/20/03 06:26 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Sounds like government enforced conformity.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2024689 - 10/20/03 07:04 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Hardly. The government wont have much to do with it id say.


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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: GazzBut]
    #2024912 - 10/20/03 10:39 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I was merely stating that if we i.e the English had not gone to war with Germany then eventually they would have been walking down our streets as an occupying force. I thought that was fairly easy to understand.




Hitler was actually quite receptive to the British, he believed we were both from "normadic descent" and should be fighting the Bolsheviks together.



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Re: Firebombing of Dresden [Re: st0nedphucker]
    #2024951 - 10/20/03 11:02 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

Actually quite receptive? Id have hated to have seen his attitude towards us if he wasnt! What are you saying? that he wouldnt have invaded cos he quite liked us!!


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