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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Asshat331] 1
#20143178 - 06/17/14 03:01 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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No that shouldnt be a problem. Alot of people on here go way over board being sanitary which is a good thing, but when it comes to colonized brf cakes they wont contam from that. Its even in RR's notes that contams in the air arent the problem, its contams that are in stagnat stale air that give you problems. Sufficient fae will keep youre cakes safe. Plus your brf cakes wont be touching the tub anyways, you either set them on your jar lid, foil, rack, or on the perlite. And I always put some peroxid mixed with the water of my tubs. I noticed over the years that it helps alot.
Also, back when I still did cakes I found that for me the sgfc was nothing but a headache with alot of tweeking. I started to use a tub with a soaker hose or bubbler rocks at the bottom with water, then hydroton.And I put 1 hole on each side of the tub. The air going into the soaker hose or bubbler rock creates your humidity blowing bubbles threw the water and hydroton. And also adds a positive air oressure in your tub to keep up fae. While the stagnant air is pushed out of the tub threw the two holes. I saw the tub design on some website being marketed as hydroshrooms, so I built one and it worked seriously a million times better than a sgfc. I never used a sgfc again. And from that point I never used brf cakes again. I started using grain bags from outgrow to makes trays, then put the trays in my new tubs with the hydroton and soaker hoses. Plus it seems like the hydroton lasts forever and is easier to clean. Try that design out man youll love it. I cant believe all beginners dont use that tub instead of the sgfc. All of the beginner problems I had were from my sgfc always juggling humidity and fae.smh
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20143190 - 06/17/14 03:08 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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NORMALGUY2 said: you either set them on your jar lid, foil, rack, or on the perlite.
Never set cakes directly on the perlite....always use a coaster of some kind.
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NORMALGUY2 said: I saw the tub design on some website being marketed as hydroshrooms, so I built one and it worked seriously a million times better than a sgfc.

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NORMALGUY2 said: All of the beginner problems I had were from my sgfc always juggling humidity and fae.smh
If the SGFC was built correctly, you had no problems with humidity or FAE.
Sounds like you had Chinese made hygrometer problems, or you built the chamber wrong.
A properly built SGFC will have constant fresh air while at the same time have very high humidity, and only needs to be misted and fanned twice a day.
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#20143250 - 06/17/14 03:55 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Either way for me personally a sgfc was a pain, plus I couldnt use that tub again except for another sgfc. Sgfc are more maintence and hands on. Basically for beginners to get a feel for things. I haventeven touched a hygrometer since I stopped using sgfc because humidity has never been a problem ever since. Plus it takes a shit ton of sgfc' s to get lbs of "oysters" and aint nobody got time fo that.lmao. Hell ive fruited massive balls of colonized grain inside of tupperware containers with just wet paper towels no perlite and still pulled a zip and a half.lmao. Those were the days
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20143255 - 06/17/14 03:58 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh and I remember when I first started I wasted a bunch of money on digital hygrometers only to find out theyre useless in fruiting chambers. Theyll read almost 100 no matter what. So I got some $40 all metal analogs from the cigar shop down the street. And that was still a waste cuz after I stopped sgfc's I never used my hygrometers again.
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20143265 - 06/17/14 04:04 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Oh and the hydroshroom thing in talking about they sell it as the hydroshroom kit. I know theres no such thing as a hydroshroom. But I copied theyre fc design. The design has another name, ive seen it on here before a few years ago but I forget the other name for it. Its basically just a self automated system. There was a huge fight on here about it like 4 years ago because the company was mad people were just building the set up themselves instead of buying theirs. Even though its just a tub with a soaker hose at the bottom, water and hydroton.lmao
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20143303 - 06/17/14 04:29 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Had to find it since you called bullshit. I guess people forgot about this kind of fc. I havent been on the site in like 3-4 years Once I found this fc I never used a sgfc or hygrometer ever again. But I eventually moved on from this aswell. Now I do monos and im out growing monos , so I just colonize big blocks kinda like monos and fruit on racks in either a martha or a controlled room kinda like they do for industrial mushroom growers, and outdoor patches
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20143374 - 06/17/14 05:28 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's called a PMP setup.....and you never needed a hygrometer in the first place.
You built the SGFC wrong....your statements make it obvious.
There is no way a pump can out perform constant passive FAE, but think what you will.
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#20143464 - 06/17/14 06:12 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Who said I built it wrong? Or that my sgfc wasnt successful? I just said it was a pain in the ass. I made mine exactly like the video shows. And i dont need a hygrometer? I thought u said maybe i had a cheap chinese one insinuating i maybe needed a better one??? You assume alot. I just upgraded from cakes and sgfc's once i realized there were more efficient fc's. And I thougt you called bullshit on that poor mans pod now youre an expert trying to school me? Lmao. Way to go search engine.lol. Dont let the new register date fool you ive been on this site alot longer than you think. Im trying to give the op some advice on another type of fc so whats your problem? Oh and maybe you should go read that post of rr's notes on contams and fae/positive pressure. Thats where I got the idea and it clearly works since I never had to fan those tubs unless I just felt like it. Man since when are all u noobs professional mycologist
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20143852 - 06/17/14 08:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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poor mans pods suck, and automated tubs pushing in air or water saturated air never works out well. The OP is doing monotubs though, a set n forget system with tons of great results! I can't agree with anything you're saying normalguy2. most the stuff you say shows you dont really understand the basics of mushroom growing.
A SGFC dont need a hygrometer because rh is always good when built and positioned according to specs. I bet you skipped the bottom holes because you didn't want perlite on your floor
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: spacechildo]
#20144230 - 06/17/14 10:21 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes this thread went way south. I was asking on tips to acquire some actual fruits when it comes to the fruiting process as far as proper Fae and rh/moisture. But on another note, I prepped some more jars. I doused then in gypsum and coffee during the soak and there are still grains coating all the grains. Will this affect the mycelium growing or will they love it?
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
#20144234 - 06/17/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Grains of gypsum coating all the rye*****
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20144958 - 06/17/14 01:24 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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NORMALGUY2 said: Who said I built it wrong? Or that my sgfc wasnt successful? I just said it was a pain in the ass. I made mine exactly like the video shows. And i dont need a hygrometer? I thought u said maybe i had a cheap chinese one insinuating i maybe needed a better one??? You assume alot.
I was insinuating that you don't need a hygrometer at all.
Even with your PMP setup, manual misting and fanning is required.
It's the same amount of manual work as a SGFC, but you just added uneeded electronic garbage that you would have been just fine without.
That is all I was saying....nobody needs a hygrometer for cakes in a SGFC, because if the SGFC is built right you will have high humidity and tons of FAE.
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NORMALGUY2 said: I just upgraded from cakes and sgfc's once i realized there were more efficient fc's.
A PMP is not more efficient than a SGFC........a PMP uses electricity.....a SGFC does not.
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NORMALGUY2 said: And I thougt you called bullshit on that poor mans pod now youre an expert trying to school me? Lmao. Way to go search engine.lol. Dont let the new register date fool you ive been on this site alot longer than you think.
I totally get it......you were here 10 years ago......but a lot has changed in that timeframe.
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NORMALGUY2 said: Oh and maybe you should go read that post of rr's notes on contams and fae/positive pressure. Thats where I got the idea and it clearly works since I never had to fan those tubs unless I just felt like it. Man since when are all u noobs professional mycologist
Those notes were not put together by RR himself......
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RogerRabbit said: May I suggest there are other, far more dependable ways of getting humidity and fresh air than using an imported mechanical cool mist. I grow mushrooms for a living and don't even own a humidifier, large or small. There is absolutely no reason to want positive pressure in a growing chamber. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17495926#17495926
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: PussyFart]
#20147155 - 06/17/14 09:26 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wasnt talking about a humidifier or cool mist. I would never recommend anyone to use one of those. And that post last post of RR's contradicts thr one I got my info from. Youre right he didnt out it together but it was all of his notes posted by another user. Positive pressure worked amazing for me. When I first started as a beginner and found that f set up it was a massive upgrade from the sgfc jn my opinion. Sure sgfc's work fine, but to me its like the least efficient way to grow. When I show my friends how to grow I just show them the pmp because to a noob it takes away all of the tweeking and other problems theyd expierence with humidity/fae. Why go threw all that when you csn start off with a pmp ya know?
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: spacechildo]
#20147190 - 06/17/14 09:30 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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spacechildo said: poor mans pods suck, and automated tubs pushing in air or water saturated air never works out well. The OP is doing monotubs though, a set n forget system with tons of great results! I can't agree with anything you're saying normalguy2. most the stuff you say shows you dont really understand the basics of mushroom growing.
A SGFC dont need a hygrometer because rh is always good when built and positioned according to specs. I bet you skipped the bottom holes because you didn't want perlite on your floor 
Im the one that said I didnt need hygrometers at all. And I just posted my grow of 24 72qt monos amd another 9 pmps full of trays. I dont know the basics of growing? Wow. Ive been doing this for over a decade man. I think u read it wrong. Anyways sorry to grt off topic op. And pussyfart I agree with what youre saying I guess I think were both debating separate things
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20147277 - 06/17/14 09:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just don't get where your coming from talking about noobs having problems with having to tweak a shotgun for humidity and FAE it really is a simple as build it, set it up, mist and fan sometimes. It cannot be easier to get the correct humidity and FAE...just putting that out the for any new growers who may come across this thread.
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Mdahmer]
#20147309 - 06/17/14 09:51 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I know that its easy. But thats probably the majority of the posts I see from new growers asking why do their fruits look a certain way . And its always fan more or mist more or blahblah. Basically I jist mean more maintenance I guess is a better way to say it. Theres easier more efficient ways. But op is doing a mono so I dont know how it even got into sgfc's so ill leave it alone. /hide thread
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Mdahmer]
#20147339 - 06/17/14 09:57 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Mdahmer said: I just don't get where your coming from talking about noobs having problems with having to tweak a shotgun for humidity and FAE it really is a simple as build it, set it up, mist and fan sometimes. It cannot be easier to get the correct humidity and FAE...just putting that out the for any new growers who may come across this thread.
yeah, you gotta be pretty noob to not get a sgfc working 
edit: those fruits you bragged about are seriously lacking fae. you should try a mono as TL's. and those aren't 71qt's
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: spacechildo]
#20147376 - 06/17/14 10:05 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never said I had problems with sgfc's go back and read some more. And how csn you tell me those arent 71qt tubs? And that those fruits are lacking anything? Wheres your fruits you picked today? Those fruits are all massive. Only thing wrong with those fruits is that I let them mature toi much, and that they were already on the dehydrator for an hour when the pic was taken. But youre an expert and all seeing as how youvr been on the site so long and all. You sure those tubs arent 71qts? Since youre such an expert you csm tell just from the pic right? Oh ok
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
#20147393 - 06/17/14 10:08 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm looking at your tall and skinny mushrooms and know that is a sign they are lacking in fae. And if that is much better than what you did in a sgfc you obviously did something wrong/didn't quite cut it. dont need to be no expert to know any of this, just watch the conversations around for a few weeks..
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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: spacechildo]
#20147430 - 06/17/14 10:15 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe they just look small in the pics, just like how my tubs apparently dont look like 71qt tubs, and I guess my 113 qt tub isnt that size either? And like I said those fruits had already been drying for an hour so they did lose some size but theyre definetly not small
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