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What am i missing? fruiting of monotub
    #20134698 - 06/15/14 02:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

*BEFORE YOU READ, I HAVE SEARCHED ENDLESSLY FOR THESE ANSWERS AND HAVE COME UP BLANK. I NEED A PERSONAL OPINION*

Whats up. I need someone who knows what the hell they are talking about to help me a bit.

the first set tubs i posted about, were a fail. i guess it had to do with the moisture content of my sub. I know this is a trial and error type of gig, but i am committed until i get this right.

i tossed both of those tubs. I have three fully colonized quart rye jars of Puerto Rico strain. They are ready to go, im PCing 5 lbs (12 quarts) of rye that was soaked in coffee and gypsum as we speak, and another 5 lbs soaking right now.

im going to use coir/verm/gypsum again using FrankHorrigans coir prep tek but this time err more on the wet side.

from what ive read, PR is a slow colonizer but that doesnt bother me at the moment, all i want is to finally harvest some shrooms. Badly.

I used a closet before, with a dual 6500K fluorescent bulb shop fixture and a small 9" fan working in the closet on low, facing the wall opposite the tubs. They dried out.

Now Im  plan on going full force in the living room, underneath a ceiling fan with the light fixture right above it.

My question to you is, what would you do?

obviously it all boils down to proper prep, RH, intense light and FAE..

how do i acheive this perfectly so i can finally get some mushrooms? im tired of failing.

I have my sterile prep and all moisture content etc down. when it comes to the fruiting part of it, im missing something. something isnt right.

whether its the moisture content, which it may be. Or too much fae or whatever. my house stays in the mid 70's at all times, i live in Florida, so its a tropical climate.

any advice or time you can give me would be appreciated. I want to dominate this hobby but failure is getting me down even tho i know its part of the process.

cheers mate!

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20134756 - 06/15/14 03:01 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I think you'll do much better in the open room with a ceiling fan, that's what I do as well.

In the small closet that fan could've been moving too much air for sure and dried you out.

I'm sure you've done this cuz your usng franks stuff but make sure to read his dialing I. Your monotub like a boss thread. That's a good starting point but you need to adjust your poly to your situation, I kept both my top poly out almost the whole time fruiting and worked great.

Did your previous tubs just never pin and eventually dry out while in fruiting conditions or were they already dry during colonization?

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20134790 - 06/15/14 03:07 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I would suggest not putting all your jars in one tub for your first time. Maybe do mini monos for this time by spawning each qt of rye to 2 qts of your verm/coir mix. Get small plastic bins like shoe box size. This way all your spawn isn't mixed, cuz if u mix it all if one jar is bad it fucks up all of it. Also, mix your bulk exactly as the tek says. U don't have grows under your belt to tell by feel if your moisture is correct. When I was starting off I used a microwave test for moisture content. Take your bulk after its hydrated and weigh out 10 grams. Microwave it til totally dry. Now weigh again, u should have about 2.5 grams. This means 75% of your bulk is water weight which is what u want. Good luck!!


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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20134799 - 06/15/14 03:08 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

the moisture was fine the whole time during colonization. the whole sub had beads of moisture thru-ought.

Tub A had 5 quarst spawn to 11 quarts sub
Tub B had 9 quarts spawn to 7 quarts sub

Tub A took forever to colonize and Tub B colonized fast so i threw them into fruiting conditions at the same time.

perhaps they werent ready, i dont know. TranscendingLife said he waits to see a few pins before fruting, but TBH i got impatient.

But, they seemed good and moist. im sure the fan in the samll room dried them out.

i did follow franks tek about the dialing in like a boss, but you are saying that the ceiling fan would be good enough? they would be pretty much underneath it but about 5 feet to the left of it.

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Mike1230]
    #20134806 - 06/15/14 03:09 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

what size mini mono should i use, as in size of tub by quarts/ liters.

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20135113 - 06/15/14 04:09 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

27qt tub with 2-3 qt spawn to 4qt bulk sub, you have 12 qt getting read so I'd probably do either 4 minis with 3qt each

or maybe one 66qt with 6qt to a brick of coir and 2qt verm and then make two minis with the remaining spawn

That's if you wanna do minis, personally I would do two reg monos but it's totally up to you and how you feel about your spawn

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20135147 - 06/15/14 04:22 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I'm down to throw the eggs in 1 basket. I'm gonna do 2 tubs. I don't know why I always fuck up at this last stage. I know Mono's are set and forget. If I use the ceiling fan for my Fae instead of that high powered fan in that small closet I should be OK? I just would like some clarity on WHEN to fruit it. I read some places that coir doesn't always turn completely snow white to tell if its completely colonized. But should I wait for a pin or two?  I need it spelled out for me, what I need to do?

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20135157 - 06/15/14 04:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Lol it's all good man just enjoy the ride, I used my ceiling fan fine. Here check out my first tub it's got a lot of pics and it wasn't solid white when it started pinning like I usually see in other peoples tubs



Lol. Dunno wtf happened there, well try again http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20010269/page/1

Edited by Mdahmer (06/15/14 04:25 PM)

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Mdahmer]
    #20135181 - 06/15/14 04:33 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

The best advice I can give you is to make trays. Atleast until you get a few good harvests and learn it all then try the monos. Use your grain jars with the damon5050's coir tek. Then make a ton of small trays. Youll have way more trays than you wouldve had monotubs, so if you lose a few youll still have some left to fruit. I started out with trays and I always had great success. I used trays that came with a aluminum lid also. I only do monotubs now and still use damon5050's coir tek. I usually make 15 monotubs at a time and lose about 2 out of every 15. But I think its because I always make a couple tubs out of suspected contam bags just to see if theyll fruit.

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
    #20135186 - 06/15/14 04:35 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Follow damon5050s tek, make sure to let your sub cool down completely before adding spawn, and I also make sure to wash out and spray all of the tubs with alcohol before I put my sub and spawn in. And I spray the entire room too. And I wouldnt work with a ceiling fan on either. Id think that it would just kick up dust and other unwanted stuff in the room

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
    #20135239 - 06/15/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I was talking about the ceiling fan for a fresh air exchange

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
    #20135381 - 06/15/14 05:20 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Follow damon5050s tek, make sure to let your sub cool down completely before adding spawn, and I also make sure to wash out and spray all of the tubs with alcohol before I put my sub and spawn in. And I spray the entire room too. And I wouldnt work with a ceiling fan on either. Id think that it would just kick up dust and other unwanted stuff in the room



there's no real point in cleaning the room or tubs out with iso, it's not a sterile process by any means:super:


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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
    #20135395 - 06/15/14 05:23 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Basically I want to know whats the cause of my tube not fruiting. I'm gonna add more moisture this time. Dial in like a boss and fruit in the living room. They're supposed to be set and forget, so I'm just going to put the poly fill in and let them do their thing. The problem is when do I actually put them into fruiting conditions, that's another dilemma I have

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20135419 - 06/15/14 05:27 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

little tips for monos.....leave your self enough excess liner to fold down toward the sub....and watch your sub to tell ya what ya need to fix, if it startsgoing all aerial on ya increase your fae, if it doesn't don't change anything.
ceiling fans are fine to use just keep an eye on the substrate, if it starts to dry mist it and change the setting on the fan and or tighten some holes up


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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: cronicr]
    #20135563 - 06/15/14 05:58 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

By dry, you mean no beads of moisture on the sub?

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20136144 - 06/15/14 07:48 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

yes:super:


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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20136238 - 06/15/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

make your sub on the dry side rather than wet. it'll colonize much faster.
I guess your previous tubs got contamed if you threw them out?
and clean grain spawn is your no1 friend!

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: spacechildo]
    #20138152 - 06/16/14 05:12 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Yes they pretty much just said "fuck you" and stopped growing.

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: Alex Oxblood]
    #20142494 - 06/16/14 11:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Ive noticed aslong as I have clean grain spawn and dont make my sub too wet, the tubs always come out fine. When u first started using damon5050's tek on trays and tubs I wouldnt be as sterile as I couldve been and still had great success. I just make sure to wash every thing out and spray everything with alcohol and thats it. Oh and I try to do it as fast as I can so thatim not leaving the container full of sub wide open exposed for too long. I started making my tubs in the shower also, that way when im done its easy to clean up.lol. hey it works

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Re: What am i missing? fruiting of monotub [Re: NORMALGUY2]
    #20143048 - 06/17/14 01:54 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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Ive noticed aslong as I have clean grain spawn and dont make my sub too wet, the tubs always come out fine. When u first started using damon5050's tek on trays and tubs I wouldnt be as sterile as I couldve been and still had great success. I just make sure to wash every thing out and spray everything with alcohol and thats it. Oh and I try to do it as fast as I can so thatim not leaving the container full of sub wide open exposed for too long. I started making my tubs in the shower also, that way when im done its easy to clean up.lol. hey it works




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