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MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! 1
#20120097 - 06/12/14 04:43 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey guys I spawned 5qts of WBS to coco coir and 2qts vermiculite on the 3rd of this month. It seemed to have totally colonized within 6 days so I took off the tape and black towel I had laying over it and put it into fruiting conditions on the 9th. Just yesterday however, I decided to case it with straight plain vermiculite. Once the vermiculite was laid I misted it until it was moist. Here are some pictures I took of it last night. Let me know what you guys think.
 You can begin to see the mycelium bursting through the vermiculite layer. I'm not going to be doing any patching of any kind. If you guys have any suggestions please do bring them on, I am not afraid of constructive criticism it's what makes me better at what I do 


Oh and btw it's a 55qt Sterilite tub, I used a black trashbag to layer the bottom then used duct tape to tape up the sides so no condensation would leak in between the tub and trash bag layer. The substrate is approx. 4in. in depth.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20120204 - 06/12/14 05:04 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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you actually want to pull the liner off the wall and flap it in toward your substrate so the condensation does drip into the bottem of your tub and not into the bottem of your substrate where it will cause contam or other problems. I was having to dump this excess water once the sub was colonized by holding the sub down and tilting the tub nearly upside down until all the water drained out. Now i have holes in the bottem of my tubs so the excess water will just slowly dribble out and if needed i can just barely ti the tub and collect the water as it drains out the hole. thanks to cronicr for helping me out with this one i was thinking of mentioning it to frank to put that tip in his teks next time i see him around
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: tombosley8] 1
#20120308 - 06/12/14 05:23 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: you actually want to pull the liner off the wall and flap it in toward your substrate so the condensation does drip into the bottem of your tub and not into the bottem of your substrate where it will cause contam or other problems. I was having to dump this excess water once the sub was colonized by holding the sub down and tilting the tub nearly upside down until all the water drained out. Now i have holes in the bottem of my tubs so the excess water will just slowly dribble out and if needed i can just barely ti the tub and collect the water as it drains out the hole. thanks to cronicr for helping me out with this one i was thinking of mentioning it to frank to put that tip in his teks next time i see him around

Definitly want that liner to shrink with your sub. That prevents the micro climates that cause side pinning.
and if that verm layer is suppose to be a casing, i would patch when you fruit it. when casing, i havnt done it, your suppose to fruit around 20-30% of the casing colonized. Dont qoute me on that, utse.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: blojo02184] 1
#20120568 - 06/12/14 06:10 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah that verm layer is only going to confuse the sub and give you an uneven pinset. you could have cased with the same substrate you used (80/20 coir verm) instead, and you should have kept it colonizing until the casing was 20-30% then patched(optional) and fruited.check franks links http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163 and search for his logs they are very detailed and picture oriented.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: tombosley8] 1
#20124480 - 06/13/14 01:09 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay well I patched with more vermiculite and loosened the polyfil in the top hole by quite a bit. I re-misted to moisten the vermiculite. We shall see how it turns out. Any other suggestions? I'll post up some new pictures shortly.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20124512 - 06/13/14 01:18 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here are a couple pictures of the tub after I patched it and re-misted. Now in 100% fruiting conditions. This is using Damion's Coir tek. I will repost when i've got pins. I don't have any condensation in my tubs either which I've never had before but the entire substrate colonized very rapidly. Remember this is 100% fully colonized coco coir/vermiculite substrate with a straight vermiculite casing. More updates to come. -Mushaboom

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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20124577 - 06/13/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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idk if it's too late but you should pull that liner off the sides and in toward your substrate or you will be left with mostly side pins and a water logged sub
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: tombosley8] 1
#20124587 - 06/13/14 01:35 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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tombosley8 said: idk if it's too late but you should pull that liner off the sides and in toward your substrate or you will be left with mostly side pins and a water logged sub
indeed, condensation will drip down and create gaps between the liner and the sub
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: cronicr] 1
#20124922 - 06/13/14 02:58 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually I have almost no condensation whatsoever (What you see in the pics is actually mist from me spraying the tubs after laying and patching the vermiculite. I have great fae and the substrate is to nowhere be seen separating from the trash bag liner. I just mist and fan once a day.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20125333 - 06/13/14 04:31 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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that is not how a mono is designed to work but it will. You should work on getting your substrate to the right water content and dial in how loose you need the polyfill by the amount of evaporation below the holes and the amount of condensation on the walls. You want that humidity for fruit growth and if it's drying up every day it's not humid enough. yes you may get a good pinset from this but the fruits will not be optimal in these conditions.... Fae is not forced it is passive. that along with humidity and your set. no fanning or misting needed
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: tombosley8] 1
#20130240 - 06/14/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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Humidity stays around a steady 100% in the tub. I no longer get condensation and I never had condensation even during colonization with all holes taped up completely. This is definitely not my first monotub lol. I've done easily over 50. This is my first go with using Vermiculite as a straight casing layer rather than anything else such as 50/50+ or no casing at all etc.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20130437 - 06/14/14 06:17 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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hmm... maybe is it because the outside of your chamber is warmer than mine? or your substrate is dryer?
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: tombosley8] 1
#20131285 - 06/14/14 08:29 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not sure but I always have very quick colonization. I use Damion's Coir Tek. 1 brick coco coir, 2 qts vermiculite to 17 cups of boiling water in a bucket. Mix the contents well within 30 minutes of dumping the water into the bucket. Then once cooled down I put all of my substrate into the tub then thoroughly mix my 5qts of spawn in with it. It has even begun to separate from the trash liner and I removed the tape holding the liner to the inside of the tub, so the liner is now free to pull away from the wall of the tub when the subtrate shrinks. I patched again and after one night already shows another 20-30% colonization of the vermiculite. I'm just going to let it do it's thing from here. I'll update with pics of pins when that time arrives.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20134920 - 06/15/14 03:29 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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I finally have a pin, it's just one. A lot of the mycelium has come through and colonized the vermiculite.. Should I patch and mist again until it's all covered? Or should I just let it do it's thing now?
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20135020 - 06/15/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago) |
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for a casing layer i would patch it at 30% and fruit
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: cronicr] 1
#20142054 - 06/16/14 09:46 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Okay this is my first time with straight vermiculite. It's grown through more and I also have a lot more pins. Should I continue to patch the mycelium that has grown completely through the vermiculite or leave as is and let fruit. The amount of pins popping up every few hours is exponential but only seem to be coming out of the vermiculite with no mycelium visible. This is only for the most part. I'll post up some more pics here in a bit. I'm about to drink some mushroom tea with my girl, it's her first time....
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20142102 - 06/16/14 09:52 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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leave it and fruit it
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: cronicr] 1
#20142170 - 06/16/14 10:04 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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cronicr said: leave it and fruit it and take pics of it
There ya go buddy
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: spacechildo] 1
#20146768 - 06/17/14 08:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've got a very even pinset which is something I was not expecting. I probably have easily 100+ pins on this thing spread evenly throughout the entire tub. So far casing with straight vermiculite has been a lot better for me than I was expecting. I will post up some more pictures later.
Here is one from not too long ago, you cannot see the pin set from this far out and from this angle very well so I'll get a picture which shows the pin set in its uniformity. Thanks guys for your help. I will continue to update with pictures throughout this Mono grow.
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Re: MS Coir Monotub 5qt WBS Spawn PICS! [Re: Mushaboom] 1
#20147118 - 06/17/14 09:20 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Wow. Never put two and two two together that it was the drips causing gaps in the liner.
Any tips to keep the liner against the sub ?
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