Home | Community | Message Board


Phytoextractum
Please support our sponsors.

General Interest >> Political Discussion

Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Jump to first unread post. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit)
    #2011798 - 10/15/03 05:46 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

National Endowment of Democracy
Okay, so Wesley clark sits on the Board of Directors at the NED. You will have to look through their site, members and publications to get the big picture.
It sounds like it may just be worse then PNAC, if you really think about it.. it is way more subversive and has alot of power behind it..

I know this is all probably pretty fractured and circuitous.. but I think if you take the time, you would develop a big picture. I feel like a big conspiracist at the moment, so Id like to check myself in the reality of other views.

Below, Ive listed some links and info about various members of the board. I need to finish all of them. When I found good articles, I tried to include them too.

Francis Fukuyama
This guy scares me. Ill only focus on a few links because there is so much info out there on how scary this guy is you should have no reason finding it on your own if you are interested.

Condi Rice buddy
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s640487.htm

Member of the President's council on Bioethics
http://www.bioethics.gov/about/fukuyama.html

This is PNAC stuff. It's straight up weird. Scroll down for the article so you dont have to sign up for the NYT
http://amsterdam.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-l-0204/msg00031.html


Vin Weber
http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/vin_weber.htm

He is linked to the CAE (Center for -- (Other board member, Micheal Novak is also linked to CAE
http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipients/cae.htm

http://www.citypages.com/databank/23/1119/article10388.asp

He is even part of PNAC
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm

Vin also had links to ChoicePoint, the people who helped steal the election and are now contracted for Ashcroft's Total Information Awareness Project:
http://www.gregpalast.com/printerfriendly.cfm?artid=203

Thomas Donahue
President of Federated
http://www.federatedinvestors.com/company/history.asp
http://opengov.media.mit.edu/EX/0000/100/124/472/

Federated talks to the SEC alot:
Federated on the Sarbanes -Oxley Act
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s73302/skeen1.htm
On the Investment company act of 1940 amendment
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72101/neuman1.htm

Federated Is linked to the Galliot Center (Oh, his dad owns Federated, by the way):
In its role as advisor to the JEC, the Center produces "Quarterly International Economics Reports" that are distributed to members of Congress and published by the JEC. Several of the reports have been supported by international news stories and opinion-editorials, authored by Meltzer and/or Lerrick, in London's Financial Times and The Wall Street Journal. Another measure of the Center's impact is the implementation of its research as policy. President George W. Bush has highlighted the Center's grant-based aid proposal as a cornerstone of the Administration's international development strategy.
http://wpweb2k.gsia.cmu.edu/gsia/media/10-23-02NS.asp

William H Frist - Senate Republican Majority Leader
http://opengov.media.mit.edu/DBD/CACHE/0000/000/300/045/

He also wrote this book
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0742522458

He is the health industry's man in the govt.


Suzanne Garmet
--formerly of AEI fame
http://www.aei.org/scholars/view.,dateType.,year.,month.,recNo.0,filter.social/scholar_byname.asp

***Micheal Novak and Richard Perle are scholars at AEI.. so is Lynne Cheney.. and Gingrich (this will make sense in the next link)

Defending Gingrich
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/january97/scandal_1-8.html

She is also in bed with Vin Webber in The Council for Excellence in Govt.. Lee Hamilton makes an appearance there too. Look at the Coucil's Corporate partners
http://www.excelgov.org/displayContent.asp?NewsItemID=1315&Keyword=prnwChanging

Last but not least, she is married to Nixon's former special counsel after Watergate broke.
Leonard Garmet wrote:
http://www.bookreporter.com/reviews/0465026141.asp
Some speculate he may just be Deepthroat.

Lee H. Hamilton
http://www.9-11commission.gov/about/bio_hamilton.htm
-- He is also on the 9/11 comission.. guess he is Kissinger's stand in

Also on the homeland security advisory council
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Homeland_Security_Advisory_Council

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1994_cr/h940721-terror-is.htm

The Role of the Congress in US Foreign Policy - http://www.csis.org/html/sp98hamilton.html

Last Words: October Sunrise

Ralph J. Gerson
Sits on the Henry Ford Board of Trustees
http://www.hfmgv.org/about/mission.asp

He LOVES Globalization (check out his article on page 30 of the following link)
http://www.wdi.bus.umich.edu/publications/gp_pdf/gp_issue2_fall2002.pdf

Bio - http://www.consespain-usa.org/intro/biografias/ing/14.html

Matthew McHugh
From 1975 to 1992, McHugh represented the 27th and 28th Congressional Districts of New York. While in Congress, McHugh served on a number of committees and sub-committees, including the Appropriations Committee and the Arms Control and Foreign Policy Committee, which he chaired in the early 1980s.

Then, he became counselor to the president of the World Bank... WTF?

A speech: http://inside.binghamton.edu/September-October/16sept99/mchugh.html



--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Offlinewingnutx
Registered: 09/25/00
Posts: 2,268
Last seen: 5 years, 5 months
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2011812 - 10/15/03 05:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)



Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblesilversoul7
Chill the FuckOut!
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/10/02
Posts: 27,301
Loc: mndfreeze's puppet army
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2011816 - 10/15/03 05:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Proof that we don't really have two parties in this country.


--------------------


"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2011836 - 10/15/03 05:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But it's proof.

You have to bear with me. I mean, Ive had that sinking hunch. But believe it or not, Im actually an optimistic person..

But I dunno. This feels like some psyche cracking revelation to me. When I start looking at the webs and the inbreeding, it is hard not to spiral out of control.

I am achieving Total Information Awareness.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblesilversoul7
Chill the FuckOut!
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/10/02
Posts: 27,301
Loc: mndfreeze's puppet army
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2011913 - 10/15/03 06:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ya, I'm starting to have doubts about Clark, but he'll probably end up being the Democratic nominee. Now, this might sound conspiratorial, but ever notice how the news media just tells America who's electable and who's not? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If people think someone's not electable, they won't vote for him. So the media promotes the candidate that they say is most "electable." Then that person goes on to the general elections.

But note that the media is owned by corporations, which have their own agenda. Most of these corporations give campaign contributions to both parties. See, it really doesn't matter whether a Democrat or Republican is elected, as long as the corporations' interests are looked after. Since many of these corporations operate internationally, they have a vested interest in foreign affairs, so they want to make sure that both candidates are on board with them there. So essentially, these corporations choose ahead of time which candidate will win in the primaries and use their media outlets to promote those candidates. Then, during the general election, it really doesn't matter to them which one wins, cuz their both in their pockets and on board with their policies.


--------------------


"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2011933 - 10/15/03 06:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Now, this might sound conspiratorial, but ever notice how the news media just tells America who's electable and who's not? It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. If people think someone's not electable, they won't vote for him. So the media promotes the candidate that they say is most "electable." Then that person goes on to the general elections.





I think that it is a totally valid theory. I mean, we know that the media controls the people.. I dont know if right or left can really really dispute that.

As for the rest of what you said... corporations control the media and yeah.. it gets too depressing to think of the implications.

I think that is why it is pointless to not work within the system. But in a way previously unthought of. The alternative is to just give up.



--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblesilversoul7
Chill the FuckOut!
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/10/02
Posts: 27,301
Loc: mndfreeze's puppet army
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2011952 - 10/15/03 06:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I emailed that link to my dad(who supports Clark). Here's his reply:

I never thought he was another Thomas Jefferson, just that he might be
able to beat the nitwit currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
It is important to remember that, no matter which Democrat is elected,
he will chose his cabinet and other top advisors from essentially the
same pool of people. Same for the Republicans. The real choice in
each election is more which pool rather than which candidate.

Sorry to be so cynical but age will do that to you.


--------------------


"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 33,808
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2011964 - 10/15/03 06:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I mean, we know that the media controls the people.. I dont know if right or left can really really dispute that.



Controls? No.

Influences? Yes.

People would have to be real puddingheads to be controlled by the media.

Excuse me while I go watch Mr. Ed, he promised to reveal the meaning of life to me tonight.


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 33,808
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2011970 - 10/15/03 06:36 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Sorry to be so cynical but age will do that to you. 



:lol: If you think you're cynical at the ripe old age of 19 (I think I remember you saying that), wait until you're 46.


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisiblesilversoul7
Chill the FuckOut!
 User Gallery

Registered: 10/10/02
Posts: 27,301
Loc: mndfreeze's puppet army
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2011976 - 10/15/03 06:37 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

If you read my post(which you obviously didn't), you'd see that that's what my dad wrote in response to an email I sent him. BTW, I'm 21, not 19.


--------------------


"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2011987 - 10/15/03 06:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

luvdem,

Open your eyes.

I want to strap you to a chair like in clockwork orange and drop acid into your eyes and make you watch cable TV.

Or take you up to the mountains for a year with no TV. You would be amazed at how sensitive you become to media after being away from it for so long and in a place where there arent billboards and commerce and all over the place.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2011991 - 10/15/03 06:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But if you look at the links above.. you will see that it is all the same pool now.

They are just giving themselves two media friendly faces.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 33,808
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: silversoul7]
    #2012023 - 10/15/03 06:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

silversoul7 said:
If you read my post(which you obviously didn't), you'd see that that's what my dad wrote in response to an email I sent him. BTW, I'm 21, not 19.



Foolish.

If I hadn't read it I'd not have seen the ripe old age comment. Also as it was not a part of the main paragraph, it didn't appear to be a part of his e-mail.

Here's a suggestion.... it's customary to use quotation marks to distinguish between your words and the words of another. For example....





I emailed that link to my dad(who supports Clark). Here's his reply:

"I never thought he was another Thomas Jefferson, just that he might be
able to beat the nitwit currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
It is important to remember that, no matter which Democrat is elected,
he will chose his cabinet and other top advisors from essentially the
same pool of people. Same for the Republicans. The real choice in
each election is more which pool rather than which candidate.

Sorry to be so cynical but age will do that to you. "


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 33,808
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2012032 - 10/15/03 06:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I pay a great deal of attention to what goes on. I just choose to wait for proof before leaping to conclusions.

You should try it.


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2012041 - 10/15/03 06:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

luv,

Look at your posts in this thread and with Cervantes..

This isnt a grammar lecture. I understood what he wrote.

You read it with a bias in your thought process that allowed you to see it that way.

Or, you simply misread it.

Foolish.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2012059 - 10/15/03 07:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, ... I wont finish this sentence.

I spent hours compiling links you I guarantee you havent even fucking read.

You dont even comment on this thread.

Instead, you come into it with sarcasm and a grammar lesson.


Wanna actually participate in the thread, or would you like to just deteriorate it because it isnt of the same opinon as you? Your typical status quo?


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 33,808
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2012195 - 10/15/03 07:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

This isnt a grammar lecture. I understood what he wrote.




A gold star for you.


Quote:

You read it with a bias in your thought process that allowed you to see it that way.



:lol:


Quote:

Or, you simply misread it.



No, I merely read it as written.


Quote:

Foolish.



For expecting people to write coherently.


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2012201 - 10/15/03 07:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

luv,
It was perfectly coherent

He said his father had said.. xyz


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Invisibleluvdemshrooms
Two inch dick..but it spins!?


Registered: 11/29/01
Posts: 33,808
Loc: Lost In Space
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: PsiloKitten]
    #2012209 - 10/15/03 07:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

I spent hours compiling links you I guarantee you havent even fucking read.



You should know better than to guarantee something you can't back up.

I read a few, and found them to be uninteresting.


--------------------
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
InvisiblePsiloKitten
Ganja Goddess

Registered: 02/13/99
Posts: 1,617
Re: What is Wesley Clark doing with NED? (Weird shit) [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2012228 - 10/15/03 07:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Then you need to work on your attention span.


--------------------


Post Extras: Print Post  Remind Me! Notify Moderator
Jump to top. Pages: 1 | 2 | Next >  [ show all ]

General Interest >> Political Discussion

Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Stephen Colbert talking shit to GW
( 1 2 3 4 5 all )
YthanA 3,832 84 05/15/06 03:16 PM
by SirTripAlot
* Sharpton Upset Over The Word "Nigger"
( 1 2 all )
DiploidM 2,478 23 08/10/07 06:50 PM
by Hank, FTW
* Bush's speech to NED PsiloKitten 504 9 11/07/03 04:00 AM
by ZippoZ
* Clark to Run
( 1 2 all )
EchoVortex 1,147 21 09/18/03 10:42 AM
by shakta
* Feds raid targets Sharpton.............(updated) SirTripAlot 944 14 12/16/07 03:12 PM
by afoaf
* Lawsuit Eyed by Sharpton Over Florida lonestar2004 408 2 03/10/08 12:38 PM
by lonestar2004
* SHARPTON CALLS ON THE DNC TO NOT SEAT MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA DELEGATES
( 1 2 all )
lonestar2004 1,562 23 02/15/08 10:29 PM
by fireworks_god
* Richard Clarke Testimony afoaf 1,451 18 03/26/04 08:51 AM
by falcon

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: Prisoner#1, Enlil
1,556 topic views. 1 members, 4 guests and 4 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Toggle Favorite | Print Topic | Stats ]
Search this thread:
Kratom Eye
Please support our sponsors.

Copyright 1997-2016 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.105 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 16 queries.