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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #20110474 - 06/10/14 04:12 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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what does everyone think? also will i ever grow out of this? I've been obsessed with tripping and bud for like 5 years now. I'm 19 now and currently my major is in engineering science because its been my dream for quite some time but I'm hearing from my friends in a good college majoring in engineering (one that I would be transferring to most likely after two years) that its no fucking cake walk. I know I have the brains but it's more like can i stay clean...i think a trade would be best for me now huh? Get my shit together then go back to college later? idfk..



I think you should take a year off and get your head straight.  You can't keep tripping and smoking weed constantly and expect to make it very far in life.

Of course engineering isn't a cake walk.  It's one of the hardest degrees you can take but there's a reason for that - there's TONS of job opportunities and you will never have trouble finding work.

Doing a trade for 20-30 years is going to ruin your body.  By the time you're 40 you're body is going to be broken.






This is not true.  I'm 57 and still doing whatever carpentry is necessary including framing.  It has also kept me in decent shape without ever having to deal with gym douches.  I admit I do not tote lumber all day like I used to but with my skill set I would be stupid to waste my time that way.  On top of that, electrician is pretty light work for construction.  Roofing will definitely fuck you up, though, as will hardwood flooring.

The trades offer the best opportunity to have your own company.  That was important to me.  Engineers are pretty much always going to be employees.  Don't forget that engineering is a difficult course of study.  Not many people can complete it.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Jvells]
    #20110480 - 06/10/14 04:14 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Engineering science. Im taking my freshman basic classes and i honestly fuckin hate it but thats probably just life. I probably have like a 2.5-3.0



Wait until you get your get your basics out of the way, then decide.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Legend]
    #20110507 - 06/10/14 04:21 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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This is not true.  I'm 57 and still doing whatever carpentry is necessary including framing.  It has also kept me in decent shape without ever having to deal with gym douches.  I admit I do not tote lumber all day like I used to but with my skill set I would be stupid to waste my time that way.  On top of that, electrician is pretty light work for construction.  Roofing will definitely fuck you up, though, as will hardwood flooring.



I'd also like to add welders and mechanics to the list of relatively easy on the body trades. They are dirty however, but if you get a decent setup theres really no damage to the body involved.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: psyconaught]
    #20110631 - 06/10/14 04:45 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Looking at what my friends make, do a trade, do overhours, so much money under the table and you learn a lot of stuff that is actually useful... Construction, welding, wood, electricians, plumbers you name it.

I think it's far more useful if you can DIY in life, building a home from scratch or knowing what to do when repairs need to be done, then overpay the people (us) that do all of this :lolsy:

Wouldn't go for welding unless you love it, it's great cash but it's really not good for your wrists, back and the heat can be overwhelming on hot days (or a reason to tell your boss to fuck off : ). Idk man, TIG-welding or having to do gates all day long, following plans. It can be a strain on both mind and body... Depends heavily on company and what they do.

Best part I think is if you learn all there is to learn, working a few years in a large company and/or someones private business and then just starting for your own.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: psyconaught]
    #20110643 - 06/10/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

Wait let me get this straight.... you want to go from being an engineer.... to being an electrical technician?

I mean there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you prefer to do, but 1 clearly pays more than the other. I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)

Engineering very difficult to pass, so if you find yourself continuously flunking or having to repeat classes, you might want to reconsider and become a technician.

What makes you think being an engineer isn't a hands-on job? Hell you could be the guy who builds the Mars Rover, just saying.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20110700 - 06/10/14 05:02 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)



You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work.  You have posted this before and it is simply not true.  I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days.  I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20110768 - 06/10/14 05:16 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Wait let me get this straight.... you want to go from being an engineer.... to being an electrical technician?

I mean there's nothing wrong with that if that's what you prefer to do, but 1 clearly pays more than the other. I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)

Engineering very difficult to pass, so if you find yourself continuously flunking or having to repeat classes, you might want to reconsider and become a technician.

What makes you think being an engineer isn't a hands-on job? Hell you could be the guy who builds the Mars Rover, just saying.



You are totally ignoring the self employment potential of a trade.  As an engineer it is almost impossible.  You will always be an employee.  You will never be a businessman.  The autonomy there is, to me, priceless.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20110906 - 06/10/14 05:45 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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You are totally ignoring the self employment potential of a trade.  As an engineer it is almost impossible.  You will always be an employee.  You will never be a businessman.  The autonomy there is, to me, priceless.




Hmm, that is also true. I've met quite a bit of handymen who started their own business after only a few years.

On the other hand, while you are an employee in a trade, it can really suck and you can be exploited BAD. And sometimes you might have to accept that pay because there are no other opportunities at the time out there.

I had a friend who was working in construction and bragged about making only $100 a day. I thought he was being exploited, but I didn't have the heart to tell him, because to him, he thought making $100 for 10-12 hours of hard manual labor was a lot of money.

I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20110952 - 06/10/14 05:56 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

I'm actually thinking about going into an entirely different field myself. I'm thinking about going into the pharmaceutical sales industry.

Apparently since I already have a bachelor's degree all I have to do is take an exam and get certified. It'll be just like getting my financial license, I basically studied for 2 weeks and passed (what a joke!). :lol:

I am beginning to HATE the financial industry. The pay I care less about, I just have literally no fucking passion for it.

Pharmaceuticals on the other hand, I have a TRUE PASSION FOR!!! :lol:

If I were to pass my pharmaceutical accreditation test and get hired as a sales rep (which I'm sure I would since I was given numerous awards for outperforming my sales quota's in my field, I was even given a "Best in the West" award for serving more financial clients than everybody in the entire Western region). I also have over 5 years of experience in sales and marketing.

Plus the benefits are good. No more only-commission pay (it's like that everywhere you go in every single financial firm, unless you work at a bank like BofA or Chase, then you get a fixed $50K annual income and nothing more no matter how much you sell).

Pharmaceutical reps on the other hand make like $60-$80K base pay, and then commission on top of that. So best-performing sales reps make like $120K to $150K a year.

I think that's way more my personality, I've already studied a ton how drugs work thanks to sites like Bluelight and Shroomery, so this test should be easy as shit for me to pass. :lol:


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20110987 - 06/10/14 06:04 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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You are totally ignoring the self employment potential of a trade.  As an engineer it is almost impossible.  You will always be an employee.  You will never be a businessman.  The autonomy there is, to me, priceless.




Hmm, that is also true. I've met quite a bit of handymen who started their own business after only a few years.

On the other hand, while you are an employee in a trade, it can really suck and you can be exploited BAD. And sometimes you might have to accept that pay because there are no other opportunities at the time out there.

I had a friend who was working in construction and bragged about making only $100 a day. I thought he was being exploited, but I didn't have the heart to tell him, because to him, he thought making $100 for 10-12 hours of hard manual labor was a lot of money.

I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.




Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation.  Exploited?  Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.

Handymen?  I'm a fucking expert.  So are most tradespeople who own their companies.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: zappaisgod]
    #20111017 - 06/10/14 06:11 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation.  Exploited?  Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.




He wasn't an illegal alien. It probably had something to do with the fact that he wasn't licensed yet at the time though.

I remember he didn't get transportation though, he was expected to drive his truck and use his own gas and milage to go to jobs. Which REALLY sucked when he had construction jobs 3 hours away like in Palm Springs. That meant he was basically only making $40-50 a day!!!!!

His boss treated him like shit too, would scream at him constantly for being late only a few minutes. I overheard his phone call one time when his boss was screaming INSANELY at him and threatening to kill him because he thought my friend had stolen his tools. I told him, "I would switch jobs if I were you, you would get paid way more and treated better at other places," but he refused, he thought he was making lots of money.

I don't know if that kind of behavior is normal in construction or not. Is it?

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Handymen?  I'm a fucking expert.  So are most tradespeople who own their companies.




Sorry if you got offended, that's what I hear people around here call anybody with a trade so I just adopted this name from them. I didn't realize it was was an offensive term. I just use it as a blanket statement for anybody who works in a trade, since usually I don't know what their experience is when I meet them.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20111029 - 06/10/14 06:14 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.



You seriously have NO IDEA what you're talking about.  For a regular management position any engineering degree is fine.  Hell, many business degrees are fine as well.  If you want to move up to the director level or above you will probably want an MBA, but even that is not strictly necessary.  A PhD?  Give me a break :lol:


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #20111041 - 06/10/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.



You seriously have NO IDEA what you're talking about.  For a regular management position any engineering degree is fine.  Hell, many business degrees are fine as well.  If you want to move up to the director level or above you will probably want an MBA, but even that is not strictly necessary.  A PhD?  Give me a break :lol:




Okay, granted, I don't know nearly as much as you. I guess I have tons of questions then.

So, why would anybody get a PhD in engineering then? What benefits does having a PhD give you if it doesn't give you a job advancement advantage over others?

An MBA, that is pretty interesting, but also that makes sense. Most corporations desire an MBA especially anything to do with management in sales and marketing.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20111056 - 06/10/14 06:20 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I don't know how much upward mobility there is for engineers, but I can imagine it's only reserved for people with PhD's. The only engineer I know who has a management position has his PhD from MIT.



You seriously have NO IDEA what you're talking about.  For a regular management position any engineering degree is fine.  Hell, many business degrees are fine as well.  If you want to move up to the director level or above you will probably want an MBA, but even that is not strictly necessary.  A PhD?  Give me a break :lol:




Okay, granted, I don't know nearly as much as you. I guess I have tons of questions then.

So, why would anybody get a PhD in engineering then? What benefits does having a PhD give you if it doesn't give you a job advancement advantage over others?

An MBA, that is pretty interesting, but also that makes sense. Most corporations desire an MBA especially anything to do with management in sales and marketing.



To teach.  A PhD in almost any field gives no advantage over your peers unless you want to teach at a university level.  Pursuing a PhD in most fields is pretty useless if you want to work in industry.  The years of work experience a Master's would have over a PhD in most cases would far outweigh any advantage of having a PhD.

If you are a pursuing a PhD it is usually because you are extremely passionate about learning and pioneering that subject not for any conceivable advantage in the job market.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20111058 - 06/10/14 06:21 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: pwnasaurus]
    #20111065 - 06/10/14 06:24 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)



You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work.  You have posted this before and it is simply not true.  I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days.  I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.




Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?

I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges....  kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer!  I'm an engineer! "


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20111082 - 06/10/14 06:28 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation.  Exploited?  Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.




He wasn't an illegal alien. It probably had something to do with the fact that he wasn't licensed yet at the time though.

I remember he didn't get transportation though, he was expected to drive his truck and use his own gas and milage to go to jobs. Which REALLY sucked when he had construction jobs 3 hours away like in Palm Springs. That meant he was basically only making $40-50 a day!!!!!

His boss treated him like shit too, would scream at him constantly for being late only a few minutes. I overheard his phone call one time when his boss was screaming INSANELY at him and threatening to kill him because he thought my friend had stolen his tools. I told him, "I would switch jobs if I were you, you would get paid way more and treated better at other places," but he refused, he thought he was making lots of money.

I don't know if that kind of behavior is normal in construction or not. Is it?

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Handymen?  I'm a fucking expert.  So are most tradespeople who own their companies.




Sorry if you got offended, that's what I hear people around here call anybody with a trade so I just adopted this name from them. I didn't realize it was was an offensive term. I just use it as a blanket statement for anybody who works in a trade, since usually I don't know what their experience is when I meet them.



A handyman is a jack of all master of none guy.  Basically a honeydew guy with some tools and a back and minor skills.  Yeah, it is insulting to professionals.  And your friend does sound like he was getting fucked but if he's stupid enough to take it, well, then maybe he isn't too bright.  3 hour commute?  That's insane.  Normal for construction?  No fucking way.  The people around here know what their skills are worth and they aint shy about demanding it.


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Crystal G]
    #20111103 - 06/10/14 06:33 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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Illegal alien laborers around here get $100 cash a day (8 hours) plus lunch plus transportation.  Exploited?  Fuck that, you get what you can get and don't bring me no whine.




He wasn't an illegal alien. It probably had something to do with the fact that he wasn't licensed yet at the time though.

I remember he didn't get transportation though, he was expected to drive his truck and use his own gas and milage to go to jobs. Which REALLY sucked when he had construction jobs 3 hours away like in Palm Springs. That meant he was basically only making $40-50 a day!!!!!

His boss treated him like shit too, would scream at him constantly for being late only a few minutes. I overheard his phone call one time when his boss was screaming INSANELY at him and threatening to kill him because he thought my friend had stolen his tools. I told him, "I would switch jobs if I were you, you would get paid way more and treated better at other places," but he refused, he thought he was making lots of money.

I don't know if that kind of behavior is normal in construction or not. Is it?

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Handymen?  I'm a fucking expert.  So are most tradespeople who own their companies.




Sorry if you got offended, that's what I hear people around here call anybody with a trade so I just adopted this name from them. I didn't realize it was was an offensive term. I just use it as a blanket statement for anybody who works in a trade, since usually I don't know what their experience is when I meet them.




Ah reminds me of the butchers, masters of a craft  :cool: 

Converted to euros that's 1400€, that's a pay someone in a supermarket gets. Typically an unschooled construction worker gets around 1600, schooled ones immediately get around 150-200+ more and that's just the lowest tier you're in. When you specialize you earn boatloads more :lol: . It all comes down to how much you want to do yourself really, an untrained eye pays a lot :')

sounds like your friends is a moron and loves carrying cement :smile:


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Shins]
    #20111130 - 06/10/14 06:40 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)



You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work.  You have posted this before and it is simply not true.  I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days.  I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.




Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?

I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges....  kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer!  I'm an engineer! "



:rolleyes:

I am not a "computer programmer" I am a software engineer.  I hold an undergraduate degree in electrical engineering.  I design hugely complicated, massively scalable systems capable of servicing tens of thousands of requests per second while being fault-tolerant, highly tested, and extensible.  My software systems span the globe and are used by millions of people every day.  It is not even remotely akin to saying that a Subway worker is a "sandwich engineer".


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Re: Thinking of working a trade (electritian?) and quitting college [Re: Shins]
    #20111137 - 06/10/14 06:42 PM (9 years, 8 months ago)

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A handyman is a jack of all master of none guy.  Basically a honeydew guy with some tools and a back and minor skills.  Yeah, it is insulting to professionals.




What term do you prefer then? I definitely don't want to come off as condescending when I call other people terms like handyman. I just call them that because I know zilch about the industry and just assumed "handyman" was a layman's term.

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And your friend does sound like he was getting fucked but if he's stupid enough to take it, well, then maybe he isn't too bright.  3 hour commute?  That's insane.  Normal for construction?  No fucking way.  The people around here know what their skills are worth and they aint shy about demanding it.




Yes he is a very stupid person with a low IQ. He has superficial values and terrible morals, which is probably why he thinks $100 is a lot of money. I would pick any job, ANY JOB, over doing 12 hours of hard manual labor for $100.

When he went on the 3-hour commute, apparently they would stay overnight for 3-7 days or so. Apparently they stayed in like motels or something for those construction jobs.


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I believe the work hours are somewhere around the same, perhaps engineers slightly more (which could be a factor, I personally wouldn't want to be an engineer because the ones that I know literally have ZERO lives outside of work, some that I know that work for Parker or Northrop Grumman are even required to work Saturdays too from 8am until 10pm.)



You have a very skewed view of how many hours engineers work.  You have posted this before and it is simply not true.  I'm a software engineer for a Fortune 50 company and I work 9am-6pm most days.  I occasionally have to work later or get called in for something on the weekend but that's the exception not the rule.




Lol but computer programmers aren't really real engineers though are they?

I mean, to me it sounds lije you're comparing appkes and oranges....  kind of like saying "I work at subway as a sandwich engineer!  I'm an engineer! "




Yeah that's what I was wondering... because I thought the two "main" types of engineering were electrical and mechanical engineering.

There's other "engineers" such as chemical engineers and civil engineers, but clearly they do something very very different from the type of engineers I'm talking about.

Is "computer engineer" basically the same thing as "software programmer?" If so, I can understand why your work hours are way less than a mechanical or electrical engineer. A lot of the computer guys that I know often have lots of free time and work their own hours sometimes.


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