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Re: do you practice shamanism? [Re: KMt]
#20101344 - 06/08/14 05:13 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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KMt said: I said what I said due to the fact that shamanism doesn't really include the self or exploration of self, any person can go into a trance state via drumming, chants, prayer (churches for example) and medicine plants even though that can all be good for the well being it's leaving out the self because your ancestors are you and you are your ancestors, and we all know that the first ancestor is God/Creator or whatever you may call thee. With that said from what I read about Shamanism (which isn't alot) seems to deal with everything but the soul of the practitioner which is why I stated what I stated. But hey I guess I was a lil brash, this may actually be somebody's spirituality, no offense was intended. Shamanism just seems like it can be more than it is, or at least should be.
The shaman has already reached a sort of peace, and is attempting to guide others towards that peace.
When one is beat down and shattered from the search, one does everything imaginable to be heled, and once one is healed, the shamans way is to guide others out of their hellhole. In order to open up others, one needs to be open to themselves, know themselves.. open to madness, in order to help the mad.. thus shamanism isnt that much about learning to know one self directly, even though this is required to practice a major degree of it.. still, one needs to be open to oneself.. to all, to a degree.. one folt in each world, to keep ones objectivity, and performance.. ect ect ect..
The Shaman/Medicine Man isn't God though, they're human like us, what's known about that situation ain't gotta be said. With that said what does the shaman do for themselves? If anyone knows they can answer
One principle; we are all God, in individuality and unity.
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That's a good point about the tribal/societal identity. I am reading a book by Peter Berger, The Sacred Canopy, which talks about such an identity. It's a good read if anyone is interested in a sociological perspective on religion and the view that our world is a social construct.
In regard to shamanism though, do you think that there could be a new kind of shaman forming to match the needs of people today? Many people are more individual-oriented, more agentic as opposed to communal in nature. Although, everyone needs a community (maybe). Perhaps the shaman will always have ties to the togetherness of people.
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Re: do you practice shamanism? [Re: KMt]
#20104227 - 06/09/14 09:28 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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KMt said: "Shamanism" is nothing more than the watered down, pasteurized, stripped down spiritual practice of Vodun/Voodoo, with that said you probably won't get much out of this practice if you serious about it...
isn't most religion/practices? anything and everything can be put into a label... i'm surprised this thread is still going on.. i haven't been on in about a week.
i believe we are all "shamans" at heart.. i believe all my psychedelic trips to be "shamanic journeys".. you can look at your trips however way you want.
i found something that makes me happy and just feels "right"... schizophrenia, psychotic disorders, etc are all "labels" of "spiritual" things going on inside the mind. awakenings? i use a lot of questions and parenthesis cause honestly, i don't fucking know, these are all opinions, nobody is right.
we live in a very misunderstood world.
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Re: do you practice shamanism? [Re: EvilShaman]
#20104229 - 06/09/14 09:28 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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with spirituality... it always come to this point where you "NEED" to throw all logic out the door and just FEEEEEEEEEEEEL it.
IMO
off to work, will check thread later. i see this thread going places... keep the good info coming peeeps
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Re: do you practice shamanism? [Re: Devizome] 1
#20104673 - 06/09/14 11:18 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, I read The Sacred Canopy in grad school, and it was a good read. The shaman is a psychopomp, a guide to the different realms, as the god Hermes-Mercury is. I think that certain psychotherapists can assume that role, although not everyone who practices in a mental health profession embodies such a role. I recently saw a college friend for the first time in 40 years who has been a successful psychologist in California, and while he does seem to have concern for his clients, his personal life was about materialism. I asked him if he'd used psychedelics and he said "not the first semester of college" (1971). He was about owning a status car, living in a prestigious area in California, and eating at high end restaurants. There was nothing to suggest that he had been Initiated into the Mystery of Being. There was nothing psychedelic or spiritual about him beyond a degree of caring for paying clients (which he called patients, because psychologists adhere to a medical materialism model). So the role of spiritual guide must recognize much more than the physical world. Too much emphasis on the physical makes one worldly and materialistic, and too much emphasis on the other-worldly makes one spacey and flakey, particularly if one is wed to certain metaphysical assumptions instead of simply being open to possibilities. One must tread a razor's edge to be a psychopomp for oneself, and only then attempt to help others once one has gained some familiarity with the heights and depths. A psychedelic psychotherapist would have to embody the archetype of psychopomp more than the mere role of a licensed mental health professional. [S]He would have to have undergone the trials and tribulations of the Psychedelic Experience sufficiently, not just on one occasion to establish sympathy with the new tripper, but to be really familiar with the phenomenology of different realms.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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MarkostheGnostic said: Yes, I read The Sacred Canopy in grad school, and it was a good read. The shaman is a psychopomp, a guide to the different realms, as the god Hermes-Mercury is. I think that certain psychotherapists can assume that role, although not everyone who practices in a mental health profession embodies such a role. I recently saw a college friend for the first time in 40 years who has been a successful psychologist in California, and while he does seem to have concern for his clients, his personal life was about materialism. I asked him if he'd used psychedelics and he said "not the first semester of college" (1971). He was about owning a status car, living in a prestigious area in California, and eating at high end restaurants. There was nothing to suggest that he had been Initiated into the Mystery of Being. There was nothing psychedelic or spiritual about him beyond a degree of caring for paying clients (which he called patients, because psychologists adhere to a medical materialism model). So the role of spiritual guide must recognize much more than the physical world. Too much emphasis on the physical makes one worldly and materialistic, and too much emphasis on the other-worldly makes one spacey and flakey, particularly if one is wed to certain metaphysical assumptions instead of simply open to possibilities. One must tread a razor's edge to be a psychopomp for oneself, and only then attempt to help others once one has gained some familiarity with the heights and depths. A psychedelic psychotherapist would have to embody the archetype of psychopomp more than the mere role of a licensed mental health professional. [S]He would have to have undergone the trials and tribulations of the Psychedelic Experience sufficiently, not just on one occasion to establish sympathy with the new tripper, but to be really familiar with the phenomenology of different realms.
very well said, very interesting... thanks for sharing that.
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Re: do you practice shamanism? [Re: EvilShaman]
#20109419 - 06/10/14 11:08 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks!
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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