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Gays in Boy Scouts
    #2010832 - 10/15/03 07:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure that his has been gone over many times in here, but what are your feelings on the Boy Scouts not allowing homosexual scout leaders (or openly gay scouts).

In my opinion, it basically boils down to this.  A private organization should be able to dictate what they do, who they allow as members, and establish a moral code relating to the actions of their members.  I think it'll be intersting to find that all of the "Less gov't our life" people probably don't believe that the Scouts should have the ability to ban homosexuals, and that the gov't should force them to accept them :smile:


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: lysergic]
    #2010990 - 10/15/03 10:49 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i agree. the BSA is a private organization. no one has a right to force them to admit people they'd rather not.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: ]
    #2011005 - 10/15/03 11:03 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

There's bound to be thousands of homosexuals in there anyway.... Including some of the leaders unless all scouts are immunised against it.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: lysergic]
    #2011051 - 10/15/03 11:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's a private club so as long as they don't accept public money they can do what they want. I think the Gays should form their own club and exclude hetros.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: lysergic]
    #2011056 - 10/15/03 11:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

From a legal standpoint, yes, the government shouldn't force them to allow gays in the club(although they do have a Washington lobby, so it's not like they are completely separate from politics, and I've heard they do recieve government donations). From a moral standpoint, however, I think it's wrong of them to make such exclusions.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2011062 - 10/15/03 11:37 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

they did already, it's just a parade instead of a club


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: blink]
    #2011126 - 10/15/03 12:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Parades are gay....their's are just more gay.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2011163 - 10/15/03 12:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

it is also against scouting's rules to be an atheist...


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: blink]
    #2011175 - 10/15/03 12:33 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"i love a parade..."


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: gnrm23]
    #2011198 - 10/15/03 12:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldn't having a gay boy scout be on par with having a 'girl' boy scout?!


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: gnrm23]
    #2011206 - 10/15/03 12:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Private = Own Rules

That's basically how it goes.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2011222 - 10/15/03 12:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You guy's are so closed minded.. Toronto has the bigget gay pride day in north america and it's one the crazziest party's you'll ever see.. Doesn't matter if your straight or gay evryone has a blast.. Id don't think it's right for people to descriminate simply because they can..


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: Bhairabas]
    #2011282 - 10/15/03 02:52 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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You guy's are so closed minded..




I'm close-minded because i hate parades? That's a new one. I don't care what the parade is aboot, i don't like parades.

private still equals "make own rules" in a free society.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: lysergic]
    #2011286 - 10/15/03 02:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hang on lys, you claim to be a united states marine who has allegedly shot several iraqis and you spend your spare time at a shroom board posting "Gays in boy scouts" threads? Somethings not quite ringing true here...


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: Xlea321]
    #2011417 - 10/15/03 03:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Alex- Just because I don't fit your media-influenced version of what an ex-military person is like, you don't belive it? My name is Jeff, btw, instead of saying "lys", I don't even realize you are talking to me half of the time.

I spend my spare time doing a large number of things, including posting on message boards that aren't run / populated majorly with liberal cowards :-)

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Bhar - I don't think it's right for peopleto be forced to do things against their will, because the current political climate (inflenced by those that run the media) is so pro-Gay. Homosexual males account for 75% of all ofthe AIDS cases in America, that, per se, seems like a great reason to keep them away from scounts.
Also, since homosexuality and sex are both protected things by the US gov't, do you think that the boy scouts should allow women ? Maybe dogs should be allowed to join too?



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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: lysergic]
    #2011591 - 10/15/03 04:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Bhar - I don't think it's right for peopleto be forced to do things against their will, because the current political climate (inflenced by those that run the media) is so pro-Gay.
 




:eek:

Personally, I don't think people should be forced to do things against their will because I believe in the the fundamental human right to freedom. Not because things are to pro-homosexual at the moment.

What do you think should be done to make things more anti-gay right now?

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Homosexual males account for 75% of all ofthe AIDS cases in America, that, per se, seems like a great reason to keep them away from scounts.





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bullshit alert! I think you will find the figure is closer to 19% for gay and bisexual men. What's that got to do with keeping 'them' away from Scouts anyway. What about the X% of heterosexual HIV Scout leaders? Or do they keep the disease to themselves?  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:
   


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: lysergic]
    #2011626 - 10/15/03 04:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Just because I don't fit your media-influenced version of what an ex-military person is like, you don't belive it? My name is Jeff, btw, instead of saying "lys", I don't even realize you are talking to me half of the time.

Imagine how I feel, last month you were "johnnyrespect".

Homosexual males account for 75% of all ofthe AIDS cases in America, that, per se, seems like a great reason to keep them away from scounts.

And the scouts are going to "catch it" by being in the same room?


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: lysergic]
    #2011633 - 10/15/03 04:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Freedom of association.

I can't join, either, being an agnostic. Boohoo for me.



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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2011699 - 10/15/03 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

There are several "Tolerence Scouts" type organizations for children that are very similar to "The" Scouts.


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Re: Gays in Boy Scouts [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2011784 - 10/15/03 05:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You mean like "Camp Fire"? I used to be in that when I was little, but it was pathetic. Then I joined Boy Scouts later on and learned stuff about wilderness survival, how to pack properly, and how to tie all kinds of knots. Alright, so it was still lame, but not as lame as that other shit.


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