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mold or?
    #20095740 - 06/07/14 10:23 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I inoculated several jars of wbs, then mixed them in with a batch of pasturized coco... At first, it looked beautiful and thick with mycelium but now after over a week of intruducing fruiting conditions and not seeing any fruit/pins I'm a little worried. Now I'm even seeing blue spots. I thought it just dehydrated and bruising, so I misted with water and if anything the blue is getting bigger. What do you guys think?
(The first pic is when I introduced fruiting the second/third pics are the current blue spots)


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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20095748 - 06/07/14 10:25 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like bad news to me

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Re: mold or? [Re: Stromrider]
    #20095802 - 06/07/14 10:42 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Damn this is my second go round from spores the only difference I can think of was that my original was nocced up from brf cakes. Any tips or criticism? Thanks for the input

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20095823 - 06/07/14 10:49 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

first pic looks fine.  2nd too i see more green than blue :shrug:
could be ur brf> grain transfer was bad.


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Re: mold or? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20095834 - 06/07/14 10:51 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

pic 2 and 3 are bruising, pic one though shows some wierd growth that doesn't look right around the edges


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Re: mold or? [Re: cronicr]
    #20096269 - 06/07/14 12:51 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Lol the debate begins! Maybe it's the crappy pic, but it looks pretty blue to me in person. .. If it is bruising, why? Shouldn't I see pins by now?

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20096309 - 06/07/14 01:07 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

you will see them soon, i see knots on your sub and there's no bright white around that bruising that says its a bruise and not trich


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Re: mold or? [Re: Stromrider]
    #20096404 - 06/07/14 01:30 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Looks like bad news to me



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Re: mold or? [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20096966 - 06/07/14 04:49 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Either way the myc doesn't really look healthy to me right there. Looks like it's up against some opposition

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Re: mold or? [Re: Stromrider]
    #20096991 - 06/07/14 04:57 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Either way the myc doesn't really look healthy to me right there. Looks like it's up against some opposition



yep i too think he's got a race on his hands, those edges are suspect


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Re: mold or? [Re: cronicr]
    #20097056 - 06/07/14 05:17 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Can yall elaborate on why it looks unhealthy for future reference? I'm going totoss this batch but I want to know what I'm dealing with

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20097732 - 06/07/14 08:24 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Dude don't toss it. See what it does. What do you have to lose :shrug:

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Re: mold or? [Re: Stromrider]
    #20097826 - 06/07/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

10 4! Im very new this is only my 2nd harvest. I was under the impression that any sign of contamination, means you toss the grow? I'll hang on to this batch. I do have a 2nd bucket growing with this batch, I only have that one room with 24/7 ac.. so I cant really quarantine this bucket. If the air is still and I dont disturb the bucket, should I not have to worry about cross contamination?

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20099172 - 06/08/14 06:14 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

This can't be good. .. One pic showes a close up of the blue stuff and the other (side view through the hole) shows yellow mycelium in the distance. You guys make the call

At what point do you give up on the mold vs. Mycelium battle and what tells you guys that this is unhealthy as mentioned previously (around the edges and in general,  not the obvious discoloration that I've pointed out) trying to learn as well as troubleshoot :smile:


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Re: mold or? [Re: Stromrider]
    #20099214 - 06/08/14 06:24 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Dude don't toss it. See what it does. What do you have to lose :shrug:




My trich sub's are pushing out ounces.  :shrug: 

Just not as many as I wanted.


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Re: mold or? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20099291 - 06/08/14 06:48 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

"Trich subs" contaminated subs? Sorry like I said I'm pretty new

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20099380 - 06/08/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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"Trich subs" contaminated subs? Sorry like I said I'm pretty new




Ya.  My tub has trichoderma growing on it.  I took it outside and it is still producing fruits.


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Re: mold or? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20099813 - 06/08/14 09:56 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

While I agree the yellow does look suspect, it isn't always a contamination.

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Effect: Yellowing, blueing, or "bruising" substrate.
Cause: Stress! :bomb: This is caused by too much FAE and subsequent drying of the substrate, contaminates in the substrate, dropping your humidity gauge on your friends :uhoh:, direct/close proximity misting, or anything else you can imagine straining the substrate, which is pretty fragile (especially primordia.)
Solution: Take it easy!  :cool:  I would say the most common cause of this one is the excess FAE, so adjust that accordingly when you begin to see bruising, metabolites, etc. Don't try to reverse the drying out effect with extra misting. This often leads to a dense mat of mycelium on the surface discouraging primorida/pins from forming.






Also, here is one of my trays I did last year that also had yellowing substrate. I assume it was drying out as this was my second, possibly third flush.


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Re: mold or? [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20100385 - 06/08/14 12:36 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Awesome info!
Should I put these babies outside? It's about 90°(or hotter), if so should I put it in shade?

You can eat mushrooms worth a contaminated sub? I thought that was always a big "no no"

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20100416 - 06/08/14 12:41 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

yea u can eat them.  dry them first.


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Re: mold or? [Re: blindingleaf]
    #20100430 - 06/08/14 12:43 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Should I put these babies outside? It's about 90°(or hotter), if so should I put it in shade?




Me personally, unless I had other tubs growing in the same room (I am assuming this is your only one?) I don't see a point in quarantining it outside... :shrug: may as well see where it goes and how well it produces.

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Re: mold or? [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20100873 - 06/08/14 03:11 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting! At what point do you throw in the towel and toss the sub? I mean if the mold is actually on the mushroom itself ect? I thought youtoss it if there is any mold, glad I never tossed it.

Well this is the only room with 24 7 ac, the rest of the house can be over 90 degrees, especially if it's under the window light. I have one other bucket in the room but I try not to disturb the contaminated bucket.  What do you think?

Should I remove the cling wrap if I quarantine?

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20101481 - 06/08/14 05:50 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

You don't HAVE to dry them.

You should eat wet mushrooms at least once since you are a grower.

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Re: mold or? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20102273 - 06/08/14 08:58 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I've eaten dry and wet back when I use to go to the cow pastures back when I was 16 or so. .. Granted those just came off of shit,  they were pretty disgusting wet... I will give it a shout with these clean babies here soon. ..

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    #20102503 - 06/08/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Interesting! At what point do you throw in the towel and toss the sub? I mean if the mold is actually on the mushroom itself ect? I thought youtoss it if there is any mold, glad I never tossed it.

Well this is the only room with 24 7 ac, the rest of the house can be over 90 degrees, especially if it's under the window light. I have one other bucket in the room but I try not to disturb the contaminated bucket.  What do you think?

Should I remove the cling wrap if I quarantine?




If you have more than one bucket then definitely keep them away from each other. But you can keep it around for however long you want to; I have seen unhealthy subs still pop some stuff up. If it becomes apparent that it is losing the fight to the mold then I would toss it!

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Re: mold or? [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20102689 - 06/08/14 11:00 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Ok I will remove the contaminated one when I get home. Should I put it in shade considering that I live in the south and temps range from 90-100 and summer hasn't even started? What's a good humidity level? Should I leave the cling wrap on as a lid? Would it be better to place it outside or just under a window ina room I rarely go in? Can't thank you guys enough for your help!

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    #20104169 - 06/09/14 09:14 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I've never tried growing outside in all honesty. But I know of people who just make compost piles out of their spent/contaminated substrates and when conditions are right outside they'll get some mushrooms. Not as much as a monotub or anything but it'll produce

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Re: mold or? [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20112935 - 06/11/14 05:18 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I left the contaminated one in the "hot room" temps got over 100° under the cling wrap (thr room only gets to about 90, so I took it out of direct sunlight) but I'm finally seeing pins... The sides of the coco coir actually separated from the bucket, the coco apparently shrunk. I'm sure there is a reason for this, but there are no pins on the top of the coir, only in the gap between the coir and bucket. Any reason for this?

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    #20112940 - 06/11/14 05:20 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I think in starting to see my first pin on the clean bucket, which is almost a week behind the contaminated one, I'm pretty optimistic.

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20113586 - 06/11/14 09:43 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

the substrate will shrink as it consumes water. this is normal. your pins are forming on the sides because that is where humidity is most ideal in your situation; right in the nice pocket between your substrate and your walls. and yeah, stay optimistic bro :dancer:

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Re: mold or? [Re: Dos Ounce]
    #20113741 - 06/11/14 10:33 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I've never tried growing outside in all honesty. But I know of people who just make compost piles out of their spent/contaminated substrates and when conditions are right outside they'll get some mushrooms. Not as much as a monotub or anything but it'll produce



Yes it will produce something. Found these outside a couple days ago


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Re: mold or? [Re: Mike1230]
    #20114139 - 06/11/14 12:14 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

Great. . So I expect my first flush fairly soon. Is there anything special I should do to prepare for my second with the contaminated bucket?

My previous grow went to tragedy after my first flush. I was not running the ac so I had a friend take care of them. I think he cut them down to where the base meets the mycelium/sub. I don't think he rehydrated them and the entire container pretty much went to mold. So in this bucket with fine coco coir, if I fill the sub with water and let it sit for 12-24 hours, how do I ensure that it completely drains and doesn't have a pool of water beneath? Should I drill a couple holes to make sure it drains? Also does the mycelium hold the coir or will it break up and become amess?

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20124675 - 06/13/14 02:02 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

My largest shroom tore is veil.  I pulled it but the cap is a blue-ish color I think it's probably from heat stress. I just want to make sure,  there is no way the fruits can be contaminated just from being in the same bucket as *possible mold*(in thinking it's been bruising all along), the spore syringe came from a reputable source. there is no way the mold could have compromised the fruits if they fully developed?

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20127567 - 06/14/14 05:59 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

My veils are starting to tear :crazy2:...  What do you think?  I included  a few pics.  One with a quarter for size reference. They are much smaller than my first/previous grow but I think I harvested those a bit late plus they were also cubes but a different strain. .. The one closest to the quarter was harvested a day earlier
I don't think it was mold at all... I think it was stress from under watering than over watering... sweetness... Any opinions/critosizim?


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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20127893 - 06/14/14 07:43 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

I would at least see what it does. Maybe a safe distance from other ongoing projects. First pic does look to have some strange spots where it is either uncolonized, or wet spots where it is darker. Hard to tell by the picture. Can't answer on the other pics, I have never seen healthy myc look that way. I haven't seen a lot of contams except for trich I got on a tray I was doing. It was bad though. I was worried I ruined my future projects because of spores being released. I pulled the foil off that sucker and it was totally GREEN, I about shit....lol.


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Re: mold or? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #20128394 - 06/14/14 10:34 AM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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I would at least see what it does. Maybe a safe distance from other ongoing projects. First pic does look to have some strange spots where it is either uncolonized, or wet spots where it is darker. Hard to tell by the picture. Can't answer on the other pics, I have never seen healthy myc look that way. I haven't seen a lot of contams except for trich I got on a tray I was doing. It was bad though. I was worried I ruined my future projects because of spores being released. I pulled the foil off that sucker and it was totally GREEN, I about shit....lol.




lol, that does sound scary.  You must habe been looking at my first pics.  What do you think about the 3 post above (on the second page)


One more thing. .. Should I harvest all at once or one by one as they break veils? I feel like I'm wasting the bottom stems that I leave behind and I don't want to tear the stem of a twin ifi take too much.. Last grow he just took then all at once but it was definitely over due

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    #20130839 - 06/14/14 06:51 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: mold or? [Re: TheApprentice]
    #20130889 - 06/14/14 07:03 PM (10 years, 7 months ago)

2nd and 3rd pics mold no doubt


First pic looks unhealthy it reminds me of cobweb, not sure :shrug:

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Re: mold or? [Re: Mushiez]
    #20158469 - 06/20/14 08:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

A++ on the trip from 4 users! My buddy tripped so hard he wound up butt naked then flipped out on his girlfriend for no reason. I thought we were going to have to knock him out. I wound up talking to him and keeping his mind off of her because for whatever reason he had it out for her. Everyone enjoyed it (except for my boy who apparently blacked out) intense and we all took no more than 2.5g for the test run and I'm glad I didn't take my "average" 4.5g.

Anyway I stopped seeing pins so I dunked then I immediately saw tons of pins. Idk why, I thought I kept plenty of moisture but apparently not because I think I'm still on the first flush. Oh well I'm going to more than double my first set

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20256661 - 07/11/14 05:59 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Update:I'm quite certain that this was not mold. 2 oz and counting.  This thing shoots out more and more every time I flush. Slowly degrading, but I'm surly impressed. The trip was amazing and no where near as much confusion as my trips on the first batch(different strain). Also I take about 2g as opposed to my first which was generally 4.5g

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Re: mold or? [Re: Shroomy_Mclovin]
    #20256872 - 07/11/14 07:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

4.5 grams could definitely cause some confusion :trippnballs:

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