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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold]
#20093900 - 06/06/14 05:57 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Buying a jar of cakes and a syringe is not a grow kit. I can see some value in that. Not everybody wants to do every step of the process.
"Everything you need to grow shrooms" is a grow kit. These kits include lights, FC, substrate, grains, heating pads, etc, for a high price and often low quality.
These kits, even the better ones, are not guaranteed to grow anything. So when it fails to produce, you are left with some crappy equipment you paid too much for and still having to by your next round of substrate or grain to use with the shitty overpriced equipment.
Because you haven't really learned anything, you don't know if it's your fault or the kit's fault. It's actually both because YOU bought the kit.
You may be able to reuse the bags or jars that came with the kit, but then you're having to learn how to do all the mixing and cooking yourself just to grow in a crappy FC.
Because you are using the kit, it's harder to get help on this site because we frown on kits and not as many have experience with them. Sorry, but right or wrong, that's the way it is. The same way it is that you can't go to First Baptist Church and expect to get much help understanding the Quran.
So now, you're back at square one. How can I growz me some shroomz? Whether you buy a kit or do it all yourself, chances are you will have some problems in the beginning. But, if you do some research, get what you need, and put in a little effort, you will learn what you did wrong and the cost of redoing will be much lower because you have almost everything you need already.
Personally, I wouldn't want to spend $50 a try just to find out my FC sucks and I didn't follow the obfuscated instructions.
Grow kits suck.
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beforeIgetold
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20095175 - 06/07/14 05:43 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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No Im not back to square one.... Im right where I want to be.
The only thing your post tells me is that your expectations are greater than mine and that money matters to you.
The only thing that matters is that the tool for the trip is created in the end... How you got there doesnt mean jack even if I have to get there by trial and error. The shrooms dont care how you grow them, the trip doesnt care how you grew the shrooms or how many you got from it. And to be honest I dont either as long as I get at mimimum 5g dry :-)
Ill rest my witch hunt here :-D
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cupkek
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold]
#20095272 - 06/07/14 06:53 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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bought a growkit, spent nearly 100$ + on it. only thing I have gained from it is the thermometer and tub. I spent a lot of time lurking on here after my first grow with the kit. honestly I wish I knew better, but jumping into mycology is intimidating.
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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold]
#20095358 - 06/07/14 07:42 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, there is a lot to that can be learned and it can seem a little overwhelming. Fortunately, there are a lot of people on this forum that get a warm fuzzy feeling from helping. But, we can only tell you what we know.
Unfortunately, your experience with grow kits is the most common and that's why I started this thread.
Regardless of what beforeigetold thinks, this is not a witch hunt. If you have a reason to buy a kit then go for. Nobody thinks you suck for buying a grow kit. It's the grow kit that sucks.
I find it a little disheartening when people get upset when others disagree, as if it's a personal attack. This thread is called "The Official Grow Kits Suck Thread" not "Grow Kits vs DIY". If you say good things about grow kits on this thread, you should expect disagreement.
Again, the point of this thread is to prevent the most common experience with grow kits, that grow kits suck
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blindingleaf
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20095379 - 06/07/14 07:48 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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i started with 6 pre made half pint jars and 1 spore syringe, almost 1 year ago  they all worked, but while they were colonizing, i got impatient and ordered 2 sterilized bags of rye, and 2 sterilized BAGS of brf powder. ALL 4 of those failed. never ordered pre mades again.
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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: blindingleaf]
#20095401 - 06/07/14 07:55 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, it really sucks when you spend a lot of money and get failure. It's an expensive way to learn.
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blindingleaf
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20095412 - 06/07/14 08:02 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea. but it pushed me to do stuff from scratch. this hobby is awesome, it saved me from the redundancy of everyday life. made me more patient, cleaner, and more observant on a day to day basis. in mushrooms, i found a friend!
-------------------- A few thoughts on cultivation MICROBIAL HUSBANDRY!!!! The whole is greater than the sum of its parts
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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: blindingleaf]
#20095443 - 06/07/14 08:22 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by SpitballJedi (06/07/14 08:27 AM)
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blindingleaf
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi] 1
#20095458 - 06/07/14 08:28 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOVE IT!! JT is rockin dude. walkin man walks! edit :how sweet it is to be loved by you
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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: blindingleaf]
#20266730 - 07/13/14 12:38 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just wanted to post the latest grow kit from the forums
Weird Smell
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MastaBlastar
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: blindingleaf]
#20266808 - 07/13/14 01:05 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: yea. but it pushed me to do stuff from scratch. this hobby is awesome, it saved me from the redundancy of everyday life. made me more patient, cleaner, and more observant on a day to day basis. in mushrooms, i found a friend!
-------------------- Everything I have said, may say, will say, am thinking about saying and/or thinking/typing/dreaming/writing is in all likelyhood made up and has no factual basis in reality whatsoever, and is likely all plagiarized and copy pasted straight from someone else, so get mad at them . Just a warning
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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20266941 - 07/13/14 01:53 PM (9 years, 7 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20426524 - 08/16/14 10:05 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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mushpunx
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20430884 - 08/17/14 01:06 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here's a kit:
100 bux
Dozen quart jars
6lb rye
Brick of coir
Bag of Verm
Polyfill
Clear plastic tub
Affordable pressure cooker.
Hehe
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cupkek
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: mushpunx]
#20430944 - 08/17/14 01:25 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm glad I bought a grow kit. Made me realize that I got scammed due to my ignorance of cultivation. Didn't bring me down though, just finished my second grow following franks tub tek. Sometimes I think it's okay that they're around to give that same lessons to others of how to not to grow.
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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: cupkek]
#20432774 - 08/17/14 01:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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:whattheysaid:
I have to admit, in the beginning I spent a lot of money, time, and effort trying learn to cultivate without even buying a grow kit. That's because I'm a late bloomer ...lol
But, in all my early efforts, I learned a lot more than I would have with a kit. All the things I did wrong I now know I could do right, especially working with straw and manure. I now now how to research better and get better answers if I don't understand something. You can't get that kind of education with a grow kit.
Rice a Roni and Ramen will never teach you how to really cook.
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MudaFuka
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20432827 - 08/17/14 01:35 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I spent hundreds of dollars fumbling threw my first few grows but the way I see it that money wasn't really wasted it was spent on my myco education.
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MastaBlastar
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: MudaFuka]
#20432868 - 08/17/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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cupkek said: I'm glad I bought a grow kit. Made me realize that I got scammed due to my ignorance of cultivation. Didn't bring me down though, just finished my second grow following franks tub tek. Sometimes I think it's okay that they're around to give that same lessons to others of how to not to grow.
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Erlik Khan
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#20432869 - 08/17/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
Rice a Roni and Ramen will never teach you how to really cook.
Amen brother!
Best case scenario with a kit: You get some shrooms to fruit and get your moneys worth back.
But... you know next to nothing about inoculation, sterile procedures, substrates, or the general life cycle of a mushroom.
For your second grow you will STILL have to learn all that info...
Best to just learn it upfront and first.
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Edited by Erlik Khan (08/17/14 01:48 PM)
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TheChief
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Erlik Khan]
#20434531 - 08/17/14 08:49 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Erlik Khan said:
Quote:
SpitballJedi said:
Rice a Roni and Ramen will never teach you how to really cook.
Amen brother!
Best case scenario with a kit: You get some shrooms to fruit and get your moneys worth back.
But... you know next to nothing about inoculation, sterile procedures, substrates, or the general life cycle of a mushroom.
For your second grow you will STILL have to learn all that info...
Best to just learn it upfront and first.
Worst case scenario:
Kit #1

Kit #2


Kit #1 made it to about 75% colonization before trich took it over. Kit #2 rotted away behind #1 for most of the time unknown, the kits directions said to leave them alone in a dark place for weeks (a small closet in my case). Both kits did end up failing for a total of $270 including shipping down the drain. On top of that, who knows how many nasty spores were released into my home. The awesome part about this story is I complained to the vendor about the horrible instructions and was given a full refund. You can read more about this in the full thread here.
Luckily I did manage save some of the spawn and produced mushrooms from it... This was right around the same time I found the Shroomery and started researching heavily. Was quite a roller coaster ride of a grow but somehow I managed to make something of it and learned a bunch along the way. You can check that out here.
-TheChief
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jcbowling1985 said: "Additionally I did one Armageddon jar with all of the types together."
Edited by TheChief (08/17/14 08:54 PM)
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