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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: Voicetemp]
    #20081197 - 06/04/14 12:49 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Watching this thread with great anticipation :smile:




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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20081702 - 06/04/14 05:29 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

As PrimalSoup mentioned, I would assume it would be preferable to add (for instance) lemon juice to hinder unnecessary oxidation of psilocin and/or conversion of psilocybin to psilocin(most likely with enzymatic catalyzation). But adding too much could in theory increase the conversion of psilocin to 'cybin by reducing the pH as well. It seems to be the consensus that psilocybin is quite stable  in room temperature and oxygen rich environments, whereas psilocin is not.

While I am very interested in the results of this experiment, I would assume that the storage potential of these capsules would be limited unless a high percentage of psilocybin has been protected from degradation. Long extraction times and complete "drying" of the tea could accelerate this process. Keeping the solution aqueous(as a tea/with water), also seems to accelerate the degradation(possibly due to enzymes in the solution).

Why not reduce the extraction time by for instance boiling for 10 minutes with as little water as possible? Then instead of reducing to dryness, stop short at a (very) concentrated tea and dissolve this in ethanol(e.g everclear) to hinder further breakdown of the alkaloids? Ethanol seems to be the best solution for storing the actives on a long term level based on several user reports here on the shroomery. I seem to remember RR claiming to have tested a solution after several years with no loss of potency(Although this was extracted with ethanol as well). Maybe this defeats the purpose of the capsules, but using oil seems a bit counter intuitive when psilocybin shouldn't even be able to dissolve in it. Uneven distribution of dried suspended(not dissolved) could be a major problem for instance. A highly concentrated alcohol solution could be concentrated to 1ml/1gram and maybe even fitted into a capsule? Blending in with a little honey would perhaps also protect against breakdown? Im sure oil would provide the same protection, but as you understand I am a bit worried about the solubility.


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: callemann]
    #20082007 - 06/04/14 08:02 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Solubility shouldn't come into account here though, since there there is no need to separate into multiple doses.  Unless your referring to the oil protecting it from degradation


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20082031 - 06/04/14 08:16 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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This is cool for the novelty factor, but it isnt practical at all.

the actives break down very quickly when in a solution and oxidize rapidly, which is why you have the color you do. psilo's arent black/blue, they are when they are degraded.

Though I'd also guess that most of what is in those caps is spores and other non active material, as there is no way that much actives would be contained in 3.5g of mush.




Last time I consumed my 3.5g of DRIED cubensis it had PLENTY of actives in it. So, what do you mean by that Edible Stereos?





look at how much material is in those caps. Cubes have less than 2% actives in dry shrooms.

Therefor at most there should be 70mg of material left over after an extraction, there looks like far more than that there, id guess in the hundreds of mg. So that means that most of that extract is actually just spore/plant material.

Also my number of 2% actives is being very generous, and the actual content is closer to 1%.

Either way, it is very likely that those caps wont be active, or they will be reduced potency.

psilo just isnt very stable, and the blue colouring is from it breaking down.


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #20082091 - 06/04/14 08:40 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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EdibleStereos said:
This is cool for the novelty factor, but it isnt practical at all.

the actives break down very quickly when in a solution and oxidize rapidly, which is why you have the color you do. psilo's arent black/blue, they are when they are degraded.

Though I'd also guess that most of what is in those caps is spores and other non active material, as there is no way that much actives would be contained in 3.5g of mush.




Last time I consumed my 3.5g of DRIED cubensis it had PLENTY of actives in it. So, what do you mean by that Edible Stereos?





look at how much material is in those caps. Cubes have less than 2% actives in dry shrooms.

Therefor at most there should be 70mg of material left over after an extraction, there looks like far more than that there, id guess in the hundreds of mg. So that means that most of that extract is actually just spore/plant material.

Also my number of 2% actives is being very generous, and the actual content is closer to 1%.

Either way, it is very likely that those caps wont be active, or they will be reduced potency.

psilo just isnt very stable, and the blue colouring is from it breaking down.



I trust edibles judgement, but when you do get around to testing them, let us know how it goes.


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: Psilopsychic]
    #20083269 - 06/04/14 01:45 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

One can only hope they work! Haha that's what will be the deciding factor I suppose.

The oil was not to DISSOLVE the concentrate but more to coax it off the ceramic dish!! The end product was a very crusty, hard crystalline style substance. The oil acted as a buffer and allowed me to get them into capsules.


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20090407 - 06/05/14 10:22 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Okay so the package was delivered to said friend (which he was thoroughly stoked btw >.<) and he will be testing them either tomorrow night or the night after that. I hope they don't dissapointed!!


More updates very soon!!!

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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20091549 - 06/06/14 05:55 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

:popcorn:

In theory this is not much different than making tar out of cacti.  Should work, and given the small amount of time and essentially no cost of the materials invested, I say good for you!  Experimentation should be encouraged 'round here.  Even a negative result is still a result, so lets see what happens.  :thumbup:

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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: Nature Boy]
    #20092213 - 06/06/14 10:44 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #20093011 - 06/06/14 02:03 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: Nature Boy]
    #20093068 - 06/06/14 02:20 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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:popcorn:

In theory this is not much different than making tar out of cacti.  Should work, and given the small amount of time and essentially no cost of the materials invested, I say good for you!  Experimentation should be encouraged 'round here.  Even a negative result is still a result, so lets see what happens.  :thumbup:

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Thanks for the encouragement Nature Boy!
Yeah if it doesn't work? Oh well. If it does??

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Haha the trip report will be posted on here very soon!! Wish me luck!


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20093271 - 06/06/14 03:21 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Luck is wished. :bow2:


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #20093302 - 06/06/14 03:27 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Luck is wished. :bow2:




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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: Nature Boy]
    #20093399 - 06/06/14 03:46 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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:popcorn:

In theory this is not much different than making tar out of cacti.  Should work, and given the small amount of time and essentially no cost of the materials invested, I say good for you!  Experimentation should be encouraged 'round here.  Even a negative result is still a result, so lets see what happens.  :thumbup:

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The difference is tryptamines are much more unstable than phenelaymines.

psilo being quite unstable.


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: EdibleStereos]
    #20093487 - 06/06/14 04:09 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Nature Boy said:
:popcorn:

In theory this is not much different than making tar out of cacti.  Should work, and given the small amount of time and essentially no cost of the materials invested, I say good for you!  Experimentation should be encouraged 'round here.  Even a negative result is still a result, so lets see what happens.  :thumbup:

N.B.





The difference is tryptamines are much more unstable than phenelaymines.

psilo being quite unstable.




But wouldn't oxidation slow being added to water? And on top of that it is infused with olive oil. Wouldn't that help preserve the alkaloids?


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20094338 - 06/06/14 08:07 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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But wouldn't oxidation slow being added to water? And on top of that it is infused with olive oil. Wouldn't that help preserve the alkaloids?




That, grasshopper, is what you will find out. :bow:

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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #20102963 - 06/09/14 12:37 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Any update from the test subject?


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: Voicetemp]
    #20103944 - 06/09/14 07:46 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

Water is 1 part oxygen, 2 parts hydrogen, why do you think psilo would oxidize less in a solution that's 1/3 oxygen?


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: PsiloBeast]
    #20103980 - 06/09/14 07:59 AM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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EdibleStereos said:
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Nature Boy said:
:popcorn:

In theory this is not much different than making tar out of cacti.  Should work, and given the small amount of time and essentially no cost of the materials invested, I say good for you!  Experimentation should be encouraged 'round here.  Even a negative result is still a result, so lets see what happens.  :thumbup:

N.B.





The difference is tryptamines are much more unstable than phenelaymines.

psilo being quite unstable.




But wouldn't oxidation slow being added to water? And on top of that it is infused with olive oil. Wouldn't that help preserve the alkaloids?





No. psilo readily oxidizes in water.

To be honest, this has been attempted before, and nobody has made a very practical psilo extract from mushrooms.

Pure psilo should be white.

You ended up with very dark blue/black of oxidized material.

Bad sign for potency.


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Re: Water Extracted Psilocybin - Success!! With Pics [Re: mah]
    #20105091 - 06/09/14 12:55 PM (9 years, 7 months ago)

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Water is 1 part oxygen, 2 parts hydrogen, why do you think psilo would oxidize less in a solution that's 1/3 oxygen?




That's not how it works. Water doesn't readily undergo redox reactions. Think about it. If water oxidized the psilo then the water itself must be reduced. Water doesn't just split into its elements very easily. The thing about water is, like any solvent it can contain dissolved O2 (oxygen gas). Also water can react itself (not as an oxidant but as a nucleophile) which allows it to slowly destroy a lot of organic matter. Human beings age with oxidative stress, it causes a whole whack of health problems. If the water that makes up the majority of our body mass was able to act as an oxidant, there's no way we'd live 70+ years like we do.

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