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OfflineNewSpore
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Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network?
    #2009076 - 10/14/03 07:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Skippy thought he heard somewhere that some Mycologists actually flip their casing over to the other side after the first flush. Recase what used to be the bottom.......

If the casing is totally filled with the myc network would this be a benefit?
If it was not, it might be a way to get the network rolling again?

Opinions?
Experienced?


Additionally,

this is store bought poo not fully colonized would he flip this for a benefit?


You can see how far the mycelium network got through the poo. Never did quite make it to the Bottom of the Container.
This caused a poor Flush.....



This Horse Poo had good results due to the Myc network getting completely through the substrate....



This brings Skippy to another point he made on another post. He plans on cutting the Store Bought Poo by 50% with Peat to open up the substrate to increased Air Exchange..
This should let the myc travel easier,gett more air. The looser substrate would help in wicking up moisture as the Shroomies grow.

The Horse Poo Casing was one Myc network Brick and gave 150 gms Wet on 1/2 Qt WBS for the first Flush!


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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: NewSpore]
    #2009168 - 10/14/03 08:12 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Why not just use 50/50 verm/peat casing? Is there some benefit of using poo? Verm/Peat is proven, buuuuuut casings are new to me.


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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: NewSpore]
    #2010814 - 10/15/03 07:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Bump anyone?


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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: NewSpore]
    #2010822 - 10/15/03 07:18 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not sure, really. From the way your casing looks (BEAUTIFUL shrooms, but not many) I'd say you need to let the mycelia colnize the top more before you initiate fruiting, maybe even patch case.

As for your question, I have no idea. Mixing peat and poo might not be the best idea, maybe coir or vermiculite?


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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: NewSpore]
    #2011033 - 10/15/03 11:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hiya skip. i never flip my casings, but some swear by it. i can see the theoretical benefits from the air exchange, but i like to prevent the need to handle the substrate at all, by making sure there's plenty of spawn near the bottom. this may also be where a thin layer of dry perlite is useful at the base, as it lets the piss drain, and hopefully allows some small air reservoir. not that i do this - but road/6T (can't remember which, but a real grower with pedigree either way) gave me the tip.

i think poo/verm is a better option than poo/peat, if it's water and air you want.

good luck either way  :loveeyes: 


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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: shirley knott]
    #2011059 - 10/15/03 11:34 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Flipping a casing can work, but I've never seen it work very well -- poor flushes and strange mushrooms. I'd only use it as a last resort if your casing on top gets fucked up beyond repair -- if you take care of the casing and pick the mushrooms right patching any big bald spots you shouldn't need to at all; you can get 5 decent flushes without changing the casing.

I've seen casings flipped, but they rarely fruit to half their potential.

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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: NewSpore]
    #2011183 - 10/15/03 12:38 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

did you notice any moisture in the bottom of the tray, when you flipped that casing ?
too much moisture is more likely the cause of the bottom not colonizing, on a casing of that size .
adding verm or straw to store bought manure is always a good idea .


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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: deanofmean]
    #2011231 - 10/15/03 01:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

No free water, but the bottom vermiculite layer was a bit damp. It colonized and fruited, just not very well. I don't use manure because it smells bad.

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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: deanofmean]
    #2011554 - 10/15/03 04:32 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Actually no, there was not any water. It was moist. He always puts a layer of 60/40 or verm on the base of his trays...... as a Pee Pee absorber :smile:


If Skip recalls he thinks he tested the new  Store Bougt Poo a few  different ways.

This  particlar tray had a cake  layered on top and  NOT mixed through out the substrate. So that's the  problem.
He mixed this up for another  tray that was spawned through out.


Thanks for the help guys :thumbup:..... and Shirl  :loveeyes:

Micro  if you do not use poo (even non stinky SB POO) what do you use as your fav substrate?

 


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Re: Flipping Casings To Remedy Poor Mycelium Network? [Re: NewSpore]
    #2012058 - 10/15/03 07:01 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

agreed, try putting a verm layer in the bottom or your tray. Maybe mix some straw in next time if you think the poo layer is too thick for the mycelium to get through. AFOAF had trouble with the poo never fully colonizing because of that excess compactness, if that's a word.


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