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The Gospel of Mary Magdalene
    #2008720 - 10/14/03 05:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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1 Peter said to Mary:
2 "Sister, we know that the Teacher loved you
3 differently from other women.
4 Tell us whatever you remember
5 of any words he told you
6 which we have not yet heard."
7 Mary said to them:
8 "I will now speak to you
9 of that which has not been given to you to hear.
10 I had a vision of the Teacher,
11 and I said to him:
12 'Lord I see you now
13 in this vision.'
14 And he answered:
15 'You are blessed, for the sight of me does not disturb you.
16 There where is the nous, lies the treasure.'
17 Then I said to him:
18 'Lord, when someone meets you
19 in a Moment of vision,
20 is it through the soul [psyche] that they see,
21 or is it through the Spirit [Pneuma]?'
22 The Teacher answered:
23 'It is neither through the soul nor the spirit,
24 but the nous between the two
25 which sees the vision...'"

From: 'The Gospel of Mary Magdalene' translated by Jean-Yves Leloup.
The Gospel was discovered in 1896, as a 5th century copy. Fragments from much earlier documents place its original writng at about 150 A.D. which means that it was contemporaneous with the Gospels that entered into the canonical Bible.




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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2008882 - 10/14/03 06:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i just read that 2 days ago...funny coincedence. i really enjoyed the gospel of thomas, so ive been reading much at a gnostic website lately...i just started to really look into gnosticism, it really resonates with me, it seems very deep, almost mystical.

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9) Blessed are you that you did not waver at the sight of Me. For where the mind is there is the treasure.
10) I said to Him, Lord, how does he who sees the vision see it, through the soul or through the spirit?
11) The Savior answered and said, He does not see through the soul nor through the spirit, but the mind that is between the two that is what sees the vision and it is


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: MarkostheGnostic] * 1
    #2009137 - 10/14/03 07:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think she had an intimate relationship with Him.

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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2009584 - 10/14/03 10:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

wow great thread. I find this very intresting, maybe you can answer my questions

"'It is neither through the soul nor the spirit,
24 but the nous between the two
25 which sees the vision...'"

what does jesus mean when he says but "the nous between the two" does he mean like the thing inbetween soul and spirit? and what is that? the mind?



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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: 2Experimental]
    #2009655 - 10/14/03 10:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

In this formulation, the 'nous' is the aspect of our being (usually broken down into body [soma], soul [psyche], spirit [pneuma]) that 'interfaces with the Holy Spirit [Pneuma] which, in Orthodox theology proceeds from the Second Hypostasis or Logos, or 'Son' (anthropomorphically taken) of God. The nous is the 'intermediary' between human beinghood and Absolute Being (God). Nous is often translated 'mind,' but it is a transcendental aspect of mind, not our mundane thinking apparatus.


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2009676 - 10/14/03 11:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The book suggests that only married men - that is whole men - men who have integrated their sexual function into their personality - were allowed to speak in the synagogue. Jesus often spoke in the synagogue. The sexual function was always important in Judaism. The Shekinah or 'Divine Indwelling' hovers over the marriage bed. The only noted cause for transmigration of the soul in later Kabbalah, was for one's failure to follow the commandment to 'be fruitful and multiply.' It was a gross distortion of Catholicism to push for celibacy which has no part in Jewish spirituality or holiness. I agree that Jesus may have had an intimate relationship with Mary (the text sys that He often kissed her on the mouth). This does not necessarily mean that He had physical relations with her.


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2009716 - 10/14/03 11:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Not sure where to get info on this but i saw a show on TLC sometime ago that was really intresting. It explained how Jesus could have not died on the cross, and that many believe that he was crucified but didnt die there. And that he actually moved out of that land and married Mary Magdalene and had children. They sayed that at one point the Catholic church became aware of this through new found scriptures and that the Blood-line of Jesus was still amongs us know as the Holy Graal or SangGraal some shit like that. Anyway the Catholic priests kept this hidden and took the secret to the graves and one of them went crazy and was never heard of again. Weird shit but this post makes me wanna look into this TLC program again, maybe i can get it on video or something. Cool.


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Spokesman]
    #2009882 - 10/14/03 11:41 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yes...and the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ by Levi (20th century) fantasized that Jesus traveled to India, Tibet, Persia and acquired all kinds of esoteric knowledge before returning to Jerusalem. There are all kinds of strange tales about Jesus, but there are extra-Biblical sources, like the historian Josephus who recounted the crucifixion of 'a certain Chrestus [sic]' (chrestus means 'kind'). The man was probably executed like the Good Book says. Romans crucified as many as 6000 individuals in one day, following an insurrection, and executed for practically nothing at all. The Qu'ran denies that Jesus (a prophet) died on the cross, because it was a shameful death, and a prophet of God wouldn't die a shameful death (of course, Muslims miss the whole point of an Incarnation which partakes of the very breadth and depth of human existence - including humiliation). Certain Gnostics shared the heresy of Docetism which maintained that Jesus had an 'astral' body for lack of a better word, not a fleshy body. The 'insertion' about [Doubting] Thomas putting his finger into the wounds of Jesus was a polemical attack on those who denied the physical body of Jesus. This also denies the Incarnational theology of Christianity. This Sacred Bloodline idea is a kind of weird 'spiritual supremacy' trip which would not be permitted by God's plan since it is an obvious contradiction to the colorless, raceless, universality that Christ represents ('In Christ there is no male or female, freeman or slave...').


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2009953 - 10/14/03 11:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

markos, could you tell us some basics on aeons? and, how far did christ travel in his lifetime?


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: CleverName]
    #2010576 - 10/15/03 04:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It would've been very weird if jesus was an adult jew and he wasn't married.


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Rose]
    #2010792 - 10/15/03 06:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
It would've been very weird if jesus was an adult jew and he wasn't married.




Especially considering how hot I was back in that day... and Mary is quite exisquite in the tent, I might add.
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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: CleverName]
    #2010849 - 10/15/03 07:42 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It is unlikely that Jesus traveled more than 200 miles from his home, according to Biblical scholars. But of course, it is uncertain as to whether He was born in Nazareth, or in Bethlehem. The latter is supported by the Isaiah text as a prophesy (which gets into that whole 'born of a virgin' mistranslation of the Hebrew word 'almah' [young woman], not 'bertollah' [virgin] into the Greek Septuigint that Matthew apparently mistranslated by the single Greek word for both - 'parthenos' or virgin. But I digress).

The aeons in many Gnostic systems are personifications of 'eternal qualities or principles' that belong to the Pleroma [Fullness]. Pleroma is also used Biblically with regard to Christ as having 'the fullness of the Godhead. Jung looked at the complex cosmologies of the Gnostics and found them to be projections of the various components of the human psyche which he then renamed: e.g., demiurge (shadow), Pleroma (Self), Wisdom (anima), aeons (archetypes), etc.


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2010936 - 10/15/03 09:41 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

One thing I know is poor Mary is thought of quite negatively by hispanic catholics.Putamary is a common curse and it means mary the whore.My own belief is Mary was Yeshuas first and most loved disciple and that The Christ would hold a mere woman in such regard was not in the mores of the time so she was gradually edited out of significance,and possibly was some of the "problem" Yeshua presented to the jewish hierarchy.
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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #2011332 - 10/15/03 03:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"(which gets into that whole 'born of a virgin' mistranslation of the Hebrew word 'almah' [young woman], not 'bertollah' [virgin] into the Greek Septuigint that Matthew apparently mistranslated by the single Greek word for both - 'parthenos' or virgin. But I digress)"
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DING DING DING !!!!!

You are correct on that point.

That word used for virgin was meant as 'a very young woman'..

When looking upon that word, you have to consider it's meaning as it was used during the times...  and not as it's meaning is today.



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"I agree that Jesus may have had an intimate relationship with Mary (the text sys that He often kissed her on the mouth). This does not necessarily mean that He had physical relations with her. "
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Kissing alone, is physical. 

Regardless..  I see no reason as to why He would not have had 'real' physical relations..  Portraying sexual encounters of any kind, as ugly or unholy is ... tsk tsk tsk..  :nonono:

He had a physical body; surely since He could feel pain, then He'd be interested in pleasure as well.  It would be His right to have a good time if He wanted to.



 


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2011385 - 10/15/03 03:40 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"I agree that Jesus may have had an intimate relationship with Mary (the text sys that He often kissed her on the mouth). This does not necessarily mean that He had physical relations with her. "

Most Educated clergy learn in school how Mary Magdalene's story was changed to meet the needs of the early Christian church.

Chances are, she and Jesus were married. Perhaps they had children.

If Jesus wasn't married, his apostles would have cretainly written about it. If I understand correctly, he wouldn't even be considered Jewish if he wasnt hitched.


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Rose]
    #2011411 - 10/15/03 03:47 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"..You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.."
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That word is 'inconceivable' ... Isn't that right Cervantes?



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"If I understand correctly, he wouldn't even be considered Jewish if he wasnt hitched."
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Hey... now that's interesting. If we could back that up with a source.. Then we might just have the begining of something there.




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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Deiymiyan]
    #2011494 - 10/15/03 04:12 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The Bible speaks of Jesus losing his temper and getting violent in several occasions, We all know he liked to get drunk too so why would it be so out of this world for him to look at Mary and be like "Damn she fine!" How do you think the Nephlim (sp?) were created back in Genesis? We humans got some fine looking females, ooh yeeah!


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Spokesman]
    #2011514 - 10/15/03 04:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Deiymiyan,

My only source is a piece of fiction. "The Da Vinci Code" by Dan Brown. Very good book. Part thriller, part history lesson. I highly recomend it but I know it isn't the best source to quote.

In his foreward, Dan Brown was emphatic that all his historical statements made in his book were accurate but I'm hoping Markos or someone can back this statement up with a factual source.

His book, also, ties Mary with the Holy Grail.

Indeed, inconceivable is the word you keep using.


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    #2011715 - 10/15/03 05:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"The Bible speaks of Jesus losing his temper and getting violent in several occasions, We all know he liked to get drunk too so why would it be so out of this world for him to look at Mary and be like "Damn she fine!"  "
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Yup.  He sure did lose His temper.  And you are right, He wasn't very nice about it either.  He was most likely quite a physically strong individual.

And I do agree that He most likely enjoyed the many wonderous fruits of creation such as wine and beauty.
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"How do you think the Nephlim (sp?) were created back in Genesis?"
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I think that this issue would go to pre-Genesis.  Witnessing the fall of one of their kind into "The Nothing" [I'm saying nothing because there is no name for it], many of the others might have followed as a rescue attempt.  Upon Genesis, thereafter, they'd become more physical by entering physical bodies in a rather physical plane.

There, they patiently wait.
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Agreed.  :nut:


 


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Re: The Gospel of Mary Magdalene [Re: Rose]
    #2011723 - 10/15/03 05:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"His book, also, ties Mary with the Holy Grail."
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How?




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