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paradox not possible
    #2007420 - 10/14/03 03:58 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i was waiting for my girlfriend today thinking about paradoxes. i came to the realization that there is no such thing as a paradox. there is only a misinterpretation of the facts given, or the disbelief in the fact that the correct answer is true.

what do you guys think?

please feel free to post a paradox. i would love to put that logic to the test. :smile:


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2007576 - 10/14/03 05:53 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The only universal law is change, everything changes; however, the only thing that doesn't change is the fact that everything changes.

Heh, how about that one? :grin:
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2007716 - 10/14/03 08:25 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

> there is no such thing as a paradox

Yes and no.  :smile:  (Another paradox!)

Because of the way we view reality, as a dualistic entity, paradox exists and is a part of our life.  When we view reality from a non-dualistic standpoint, paradox disappears.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Seuss]
    #2007779 - 10/14/03 09:46 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Pradoxes are constructions - they can easily exist within a defined system and with strict definitions.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007907 - 10/14/03 11:09 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007921 - 10/14/03 11:23 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

So, what about my paradox? :grin:

I guess the only thing that solves it is the acknowledgement that everything is just one collection of energy, and at that level, there is nothing that could be changed...
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2007933 - 10/14/03 11:34 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

"The only universal law is change, everything changes; however, the only thing that doesn't change is the fact that everything changes."

It's not a paradox - it's a contradiction. Break it down into two statements:

1) Everything changes
2)Here is something that doesn't change.

Well, which is it?

It's better understood as "change is the one constant." That change never ceases does not mean it stops changing.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007944 - 10/14/03 11:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Well, it gets a little more complicated than that. The idea is that change is always occuring. Everything changes. Except the fact that everything always changes. If that were to change, than nothing would change.
Or something. :grin:

Anyways, here is a better paradox "You're special, just like everyone else."
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2007978 - 10/14/03 11:53 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

But that's not a paradox, it's just something unique. The idea that change is always occurring is only part of a paradox if you have something saying that it isn't always occurring, which you haven't.
Also, that everything is changing is constant, but only in the broadest sense - change occurs in many different ways, and the form of its realization changes, too. It's kind of reductive to get beyond "change is the only constant" - which sounds paradoxical, but isn't because change changes...

"you're special..." is just an unintelligent use of the word special. It's not a paradox. A paradox is based in a logical contradiction, not a misused word.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007996 - 10/14/03 11:59 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Don't believe anything you read.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008005 - 10/14/03 12:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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"you're special..." is just an unintelligent use of the word special. It's not a paradox. A paradox is based in a logical contradiction, not a misused word.




Do you prefer to use the word unique? Everyone is said to be unique, correct? Everyone is unique. However, the fact that everyone is unique sort of cancels out the uniqueness, right?
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008075 - 10/14/03 12:42 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Ahhh, yes and no.
If we all share a characteristic, can we be unique? Well, if the answer is no, than nothing can be unique, no one can, because at least one characteristic will be shared among any 2 objects or any grouping of objects you choose to subject to comarison.
You're just (mis)using language here. The extension of the "logic" you are applying renders the words meaningless.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2008187 - 10/14/03 01:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I've always thought free will vs. determinism was a paradox. We're all free agents, yet in large numbers we're so damn predictable.

"When people are free to do what they want, they usually imitate each other" --can't remember

But, you may be right that paradoxes are really only a result of man's limited comprehension of something extremely complex.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008188 - 10/14/03 01:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think here is a faint image of the notion of Emptiness, that no objects or events have inherent existence. The problem, I think, has to do with attempting to mix reasoning of nullification into tangibility. How can we cognize notions which annihilate eachother?


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008205 - 10/14/03 02:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Ahhh, yes and no.
If we all share a characteristic, can we be unique? Well, if the answer is no, than nothing can be unique, no one can, because at least one characteristic will be shared among any 2 objects or any grouping of objects you choose to subject to comarison.
You're just (mis)using language here. The extension of the "logic" you are applying renders the words meaningless. 




This isn't misusing language. The fact is that one word means one thing and the other word means another thing; both meanings can not be possible at the same time, but yet they are both valid meanings. Or something. :grin:
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008239 - 10/14/03 02:22 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

"The fact that one words means one thing and the other word means another thing, both meanings can not be possible at the same time, but yet they are both valid meanings."

If that's not misusing language, it's butchering it. I am sorry, pal, but I can't follow your point in that run-on sentence.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008252 - 10/14/03 02:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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If that's not misusing language, it's butchering it. I am sorry, pal, but I can't follow your point in that run-on sentence.





Well, there, I went back and added the word is and a semi colon? Happy? And myself, I use words anyway that I choose to use them... Being God and all, I have that right..
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008266 - 10/14/03 02:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Well, the "is" added makes it correct grammatically, but I still disagree with what you are saying. Different meanings for different words coexisting is kind of essential for a useful language.
And using words how only you choose to use them (w/out explinations) is best for talking to yourself, not actual communication


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008321 - 10/14/03 02:59 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, the "is" added makes it correct grammatically, but I still disagree with what you are saying. Different meanings for different words coexisting is kind of essential for a useful language.
And using words how only you choose to use them (w/out explinations) is best for talking to yourself, not actual communication




Well, I am a pretty chaotic person, sometimes I really don't feel like making sense. And the word "pants" used to be a swear word in England... it is funny how words change their meanings sometime, isn't it?

But yeah. I still don't see how I misused the word unique or the word special.
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008344 - 10/14/03 03:07 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Her's a paradox.

I don't post in shitty forums.
This forum is shitty.
I posted in it.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #2008345 - 10/14/03 03:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

You know whats really weird?


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2008352 - 10/14/03 03:10 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The following statement is false: The previous statement is true.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #2008368 - 10/14/03 03:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Her's a paradox.

I don't post in shitty forums.
This forum is shitty.
I posted in it. 




Quote:

Automan said:
i was waiting for my girlfriend today thinking about paradoxes. i came to the realization that there is no such thing as a paradox. there is only a misinterpretation of the facts given, or the disbelief in the fact that the correct answer is true.




So, you see, Senor Doobie, your paradox is quickly solved by the fact that this forum isn't actually shitty. Furthermore, this thread really sucks, so don't consider it a reflection of this forum...

And it is sort of nice to be able to post here without getting pictures of naked guys and death threats and stupidity, you know? :grin:
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: sucklesworth]
    #2008390 - 10/14/03 03:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What is really weird?


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008394 - 10/14/03 03:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

No this forum is shitty, maybe it'sjust that I post in shitty forums.

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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #2008412 - 10/14/03 03:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Indeed. :grin:

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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2008509 - 10/14/03 04:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well if an idea is a "thing" then so is a paradox - therefore a paradox is a thing, and therefore it exists?


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    #2008528 - 10/14/03 04:32 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, that was profoune NOT


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #2008539 - 10/14/03 04:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

damn doobie give it up, go back to OTD already



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    #2008542 - 10/14/03 04:38 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Ya, Doobs, I thought you were gonna cause some REAL havoc in here, not just some lame posts.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: silversoul7]
    #2008547 - 10/14/03 04:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, like we need stirring up anyways... we don't come to OTD and start making posts on the meaning behind spaghetti, now do we?! :grin:

Hhm.... ?wheels start turning?
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008548 - 10/14/03 04:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, if you search hard enough, you will find the occasional insightful OTD post, tho someone usually goatse's those threads.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #2008564 - 10/14/03 04:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It was not intended to be profound - I was attempting to confirm that paradoxes exist. And your intention was....... ?


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008595 - 10/14/03 04:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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The only universal law is change, everything changes; however, the only thing that doesn't change is the fact that everything changes.
 




if the universal law is change,, everything changes, all i have to do is show one thing that is constant. then, the "everything changes" view is null. hmmm let me think.... the amount of energy in the universe is a constant in accordance to the second law of thermodynamics.

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http://members.aol.com/kiekeben/para.html 
 




lets start with zeno's paradox off that list. basically it states, in a way that everyone understands, that in order to go from point a to point b, you have to travel half the distance (1/2). then you have to travel half the remaining distance (1/4 left) then 1/8 left, then 1/16 left, and so on and so on (he used 1/10's, but the fraction doesnt really matter.) there is no paradox here, just a misinterpretation of the main facts. an object in motion can never be exactly 1/2 way to the destination. if it were, i couldnt be in motion because it would be at an exact point on the course. we know that it is in motion, though. it is never in any particular point. it is mearly passing through that point.so, since you cant tie it to the halfway point at any given time. the fractions cant be added up. there is no paradox.

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Her's a paradox.

I don't post in shitty forums.
This forum is shitty.
I posted in it.





it wouldnt be a paradox, just a statement that has been proven as false.




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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Strumpling]
    #2008601 - 10/14/03 04:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

.. like my newly posted thread.. it is VERY insightful. :grin:

Check it out!  The first reply was that trauma-inducing, life-scarring photograph!
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2008609 - 10/14/03 04:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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if the universal law is change,, everything changes, all i have to do is show one thing that is constant. then, the "everything changes" view is null. hmmm let me think.... the amount of energy in the universe is a constant in accordance to the second law of thermodynamics.





How do we know that it will never change? How can we verify something as a constant if we will never witness the end of it all, and especially since we never witnessed the beginning?
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008688 - 10/14/03 05:19 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

how do we know that it will change. if we dont, then there is no paradox. thats my point


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2008715 - 10/14/03 05:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Okay, what about the paradox that we are all seperate, individual entities but that we are also all part of one collective consciousness, that we are all one (either as one consciousness or the one as in all Creation is just pure energy). Or something, I don't fucking know... I am growing tired..
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2009821 - 10/14/03 11:28 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i dont think that is a paradox


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2010507 - 10/15/03 03:27 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Xibalba]
    #2011218 - 10/15/03 12:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Saying energy doesn't change isn't exactly correct. It changes FORM, doesn't it? Then you can't say energy is constant. The amount might be, but how can we know?

The second law of thermodynamics is part of an interpretation of the truth, and science will change, as science itself has a history of corrected/adjusted lies.

The now is one of the constants in the universe, but no single moment is the same as the next. So the paradox holds true. Everything changes, even the constants, except the fact that everything changes itself.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2011528 - 10/15/03 04:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Firstly, energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It can only change form. So it is constant. The amount of energy in the universe is constant, although it is constantly changing form as well.

Um, an object can't have a point in space if it's moving... That's a new one to me... Take some calculus/physics then tackle paradoxes.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2011680 - 10/15/03 05:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I tried to make a hugeass post yesterday analyzing all sorts of paradoxes, but I didn't bother to copy the text someplace, and my connection to shroomery crapped out for about a day starting when i had attempted to post it, and couldn't retrieve the body of my text. Grr. I'll try to recreate most of the post now as I remember it, but first addressing one of automan's more recent posts:

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automan said:
lets start with zeno's paradox off that list...there is no paradox here, just a misinterpretation of the main facts...an object in motion can never be exactly 1/2 way to the destination...the fractions cant be added up. there is no paradox.



Your argument is absurd. To move continuously, at least mathematically, from point a to point b, you must cross all points between point a and b. The halfway point is between a and b. If you are arguing that you can't be halfway there at the same time as the fullway there, this is correct, as long as you aren't there yet. This touches upon the actual problem, but I don't think you've argued the fault in the best way. I'll try to recreate my attempted post yesterday, now:
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automan said:
i came to the realization that there is no such thing as a paradox. there is only a misinterpretation of the facts given, or the disbelief in the fact that the correct answer is true.



I've looked at the zeno and infinity paradoxes linked by seraphim, and successfully found automan's logic to hold, that the problems are paradoxes only by a failure to correctly understand what they involve. In zeno's paradoxes, we are attempting to abstractly break down a path into an infinite number of segments, and then abstractly force the traveller to wait until we finishing segmenting the path before it can be fully traversed, and we wonder why the traveller never gets across. An infinite number is basically a number we define as never ending, then try to make it end -- it's absurd. Finish chopping up the road into an infinite number of pieces first, and then try to travel across it. You can't, as you'll never finish chopping it up. We are sort of like a cat or dog chasing its own tail. Hmm, why doesn't this square-block fit in the circular hole? Must be a paradox. Gee, I can't lift up this car into the air, must be another paradox.

Err, um, well anyway, here's the Hotel Infinity paradox:

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Suppose that, somewhere in New Jersey, there is a hotel with an infinite number of rooms. You arrive late one night and ask the front desk clerk if they have a vacancy. He replies that every room is occupied, however, he can arrange for you to get one. But how, you wonder, if there is no vacancy? The answer is simple: the clerk will simply ask the people in room 1 to move to room 2, those in room 2 to move to room 3, those in 3 to move to room 4, and so on. Since there is an infinite number of rooms, everyone will have a room to move into, and room 1 will be available for you.



Here, it is supposed as if it were nothing to ask an infinite number of people to switch rooms. The clerk will never finish asking all the people to change rooms, as it is impossible to instantaneously communicate to all the people staying in the hotel. Also, it's impossible to instantaneously switch rooms. So, you eventually get your room #1, but there will always be someone without a room, as they will be switching from room n to room n+1. Although it isn't actually stated, there is an implication that even though all the rooms are full, there is still room for you and everyone else to stay. This is absurd, and therefore the 'paradox' of Hotel Infinity is simply a contradiction -- false.

I dare someone to post a paradox here that I cannot reduce to absurdity, showing it to be false -- contradiction and not mystery. If someone succeeds, there merely exists a person tricky enough to defeat my grasp of logic.

[this is almost nothing like the post I had attempted to recreate, and is perhaps a little more amusing, but a little less humble]


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: moogle]
    #2011789 - 10/15/03 05:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Earlier today I threw a ball up in the air, and right when it stopped moving upward, I was hit with the most enlightening realization, but then as soon as the ball starting moving back downward the thought was gone and now I can't remember what it was.

(no paradox here, sorry)


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: hongomon]
    #2012044 - 10/15/03 06:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Paradox, huh?  well, in SRT theory, it sure is.

predetermination vs free will

Experience is about evolving. the skinny on past life or pre-birth is blueprint design. the soul [or groups] decides what lessons and experiences will be due when incarnating. 

sooo in incarnation, the soul[s] goes through the blueprint unaware of the design itself.

the process is repeated.  its like gaining experience levels in RPG. hahah the more you gain, the more knowledge and empowerment acquired.  it doesn't matter which alignment the soul decides to experience in either. evil, good, or neutral.. only about learning.

for me, I don't absolutely agree with pre-D for *this* planet. there's always Murphy's Law and chaos where new experiences, not programmed into the blueprint, are gained; the incarnate doesn't finish the lessons; or finds out about pre-d and make changes.

personally,i won't even bother with pre-d.  I'll just hit the enter button. :laugh:

this is a very generalized snapshot of SRT.

aside from that, the intriguing aspect of this is  it fosters more questions. i've look at the word Soul, it appears as an acronym.

source of universal life

what would it mean if someobody says "My soul" or "I have a soul", indicating a absolute unique signature of the person?  or does mean we the expression of the SOUL?



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Re: paradox not possible [Re: TheEggman]
    #2012290 - 10/15/03 08:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Um, an object can't have a point in space if it's moving... That's a new one to me... Take some calculus/physics then tackle paradoxes.




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Re: paradox not possible [Re: TheEggman]
    #2013933 - 10/16/03 08:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Firstly, energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It can only change form. So it is constant. The amount of energy in the universe is constant, although it is constantly changing form as well.




Two things to point out here: the 'fact' energy can not be created or destroyed is no fact, it's scientific concensus. So is the 'fact' that the amount of energy is constant. Science is a way of looking at things, but it isn't the sole explanation of reality, it's just the most popular one these days.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2015048 - 10/16/03 04:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

eggman - it does in theory. check out the contributors in quantum /holographic theory.. bohr.. bohm.

learn some theoretical physics..


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: TheEggman]
    #2015103 - 10/16/03 05:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Firstly, energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It can only change form. So it is constant. The amount of energy in the universe is constant, although it is constantly changing form as well.

Um, an object can't have a point in space if it's moving... That's a new one to me... Take some calculus/physics then tackle paradoxes.




Phh.. We say that it cannot be created or destroyed, so it is true? How the living fuck do we know? Just because we haven't been able to create or destroy energy? Fuck...
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