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paradox not possible
    #2007420 - 10/14/03 03:58 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i was waiting for my girlfriend today thinking about paradoxes. i came to the realization that there is no such thing as a paradox. there is only a misinterpretation of the facts given, or the disbelief in the fact that the correct answer is true.

what do you guys think?

please feel free to post a paradox. i would love to put that logic to the test. :smile:


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2007576 - 10/14/03 05:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

The only universal law is change, everything changes; however, the only thing that doesn't change is the fact that everything changes.

Heh, how about that one? :grin:
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2007716 - 10/14/03 08:25 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

> there is no such thing as a paradox

Yes and no.  :smile:  (Another paradox!)

Because of the way we view reality, as a dualistic entity, paradox exists and is a part of our life.  When we view reality from a non-dualistic standpoint, paradox disappears.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: Seuss]
    #2007779 - 10/14/03 09:46 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Pradoxes are constructions - they can easily exist within a defined system and with strict definitions.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007907 - 10/14/03 11:09 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007921 - 10/14/03 11:23 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

So, what about my paradox? :grin:

I guess the only thing that solves it is the acknowledgement that everything is just one collection of energy, and at that level, there is nothing that could be changed...
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2007933 - 10/14/03 11:34 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"The only universal law is change, everything changes; however, the only thing that doesn't change is the fact that everything changes."

It's not a paradox - it's a contradiction. Break it down into two statements:

1) Everything changes
2)Here is something that doesn't change.

Well, which is it?

It's better understood as "change is the one constant." That change never ceases does not mean it stops changing.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007944 - 10/14/03 11:39 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, it gets a little more complicated than that. The idea is that change is always occuring. Everything changes. Except the fact that everything always changes. If that were to change, than nothing would change.
Or something. :grin:

Anyways, here is a better paradox "You're special, just like everyone else."
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2007978 - 10/14/03 11:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But that's not a paradox, it's just something unique. The idea that change is always occurring is only part of a paradox if you have something saying that it isn't always occurring, which you haven't.
Also, that everything is changing is constant, but only in the broadest sense - change occurs in many different ways, and the form of its realization changes, too. It's kind of reductive to get beyond "change is the only constant" - which sounds paradoxical, but isn't because change changes...

"you're special..." is just an unintelligent use of the word special. It's not a paradox. A paradox is based in a logical contradiction, not a misused word.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2007996 - 10/14/03 11:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Don't believe anything you read.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008005 - 10/14/03 12:05 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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seraphim said:
"you're special..." is just an unintelligent use of the word special. It's not a paradox. A paradox is based in a logical contradiction, not a misused word.




Do you prefer to use the word unique? Everyone is said to be unique, correct? Everyone is unique. However, the fact that everyone is unique sort of cancels out the uniqueness, right?
Ahem.
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008075 - 10/14/03 12:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ahhh, yes and no.
If we all share a characteristic, can we be unique? Well, if the answer is no, than nothing can be unique, no one can, because at least one characteristic will be shared among any 2 objects or any grouping of objects you choose to subject to comarison.
You're just (mis)using language here. The extension of the "logic" you are applying renders the words meaningless.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: automan]
    #2008187 - 10/14/03 01:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I've always thought free will vs. determinism was a paradox. We're all free agents, yet in large numbers we're so damn predictable.

"When people are free to do what they want, they usually imitate each other" --can't remember

But, you may be right that paradoxes are really only a result of man's limited comprehension of something extremely complex.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008188 - 10/14/03 01:51 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think here is a faint image of the notion of Emptiness, that no objects or events have inherent existence. The problem, I think, has to do with attempting to mix reasoning of nullification into tangibility. How can we cognize notions which annihilate eachother?


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008205 - 10/14/03 02:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Ahhh, yes and no.
If we all share a characteristic, can we be unique? Well, if the answer is no, than nothing can be unique, no one can, because at least one characteristic will be shared among any 2 objects or any grouping of objects you choose to subject to comarison.
You're just (mis)using language here. The extension of the "logic" you are applying renders the words meaningless. 




This isn't misusing language. The fact is that one word means one thing and the other word means another thing; both meanings can not be possible at the same time, but yet they are both valid meanings. Or something. :grin:
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008239 - 10/14/03 02:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"The fact that one words means one thing and the other word means another thing, both meanings can not be possible at the same time, but yet they are both valid meanings."

If that's not misusing language, it's butchering it. I am sorry, pal, but I can't follow your point in that run-on sentence.


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008252 - 10/14/03 02:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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If that's not misusing language, it's butchering it. I am sorry, pal, but I can't follow your point in that run-on sentence.





Well, there, I went back and added the word is and a semi colon? Happy? And myself, I use words anyway that I choose to use them... Being God and all, I have that right..
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008266 - 10/14/03 02:35 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, the "is" added makes it correct grammatically, but I still disagree with what you are saying. Different meanings for different words coexisting is kind of essential for a useful language.
And using words how only you choose to use them (w/out explinations) is best for talking to yourself, not actual communication


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Re: paradox not possible [Re: seraphim]
    #2008321 - 10/14/03 02:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Well, the "is" added makes it correct grammatically, but I still disagree with what you are saying. Different meanings for different words coexisting is kind of essential for a useful language.
And using words how only you choose to use them (w/out explinations) is best for talking to yourself, not actual communication




Well, I am a pretty chaotic person, sometimes I really don't feel like making sense. And the word "pants" used to be a swear word in England... it is funny how words change their meanings sometime, isn't it?

But yeah. I still don't see how I misused the word unique or the word special.
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Re: paradox not possible [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2008344 - 10/14/03 03:07 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Her's a paradox.

I don't post in shitty forums.
This forum is shitty.
I posted in it.


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